The 2012 Off-Season

[number9 3,297]

Parise will be so ridiculously sought after I don't consider him an option.

Doan would be nice, but hes such a team guy, franchise face, and lifeblood of PHX that I see him finishing there. (thou if dallas can ditch modano, phx can ditch doan i guess)

Alfie seems to be the most realistic option. cant see him wanting to stay in Ott and they need to continue moving forward with the rebuild. i can see them trading his rights to us for some drafts picks. they have other vets that can guide their young ones forward. plus im sure theyd love to give him a cup shot and they kno hed be at home here.

Im gonna come out of left field and say we dont need to sign a D-man for next year. say lids retires, we replace him with kronner the heir to the throne, resign stewie, give big E and kindl and commodore and smith a bigger role. kenny already thinks smith is NHL ready so maybe by next season he can come out and produce.

need a backup goalie other than mac too

Edit: might have to run a 6 forward PP if we dont replace Lids. obviously the puck movement on the blue line will be lacking with both him and raffi gone.

Edited November 15, 2011 by number9

[newfy 695]

Parise will be so ridiculously sought after I don't consider him an option.

I dont get why people say this. The wings will have money to throw around, out of any contender type teams they will have by far the most and should be able to add 2 7 million dollar guys while still signing Lidstrom for 5.

This offseason wont be like last where we were all like "Oh I wish we could get Richards maybe he'll tke 4 million to come here or something"

It'll be like "Hey Kenny toss your money around use 7 and a half on him and 6 on this guy and we'll win the cup this year"

[rick zombo 3,739]

Parise will be so ridiculously sought after I don't consider him an option.

Doan would be nice, but hes such a team guy, franchise face, and lifeblood of PHX that I see him finishing there. (thou if dallas can ditch modano, phx can ditch doan i guess)

Alfie seems to be the most realistic option. cant see him wanting to stay in Ott and they need to continue moving forward with the rebuild. i can see them trading his rights to us for some drafts picks. they have other vets that can guide their young ones forward. plus im sure theyd love to give him a cup shot and they kno hed be at home here.

Im gonna come out of left field and say we dont need to sign a D-man for next year. say lids retires, we replace him with kronner the heir to the throne, resign stewie, give big E and kindl and commodore and smith a bigger role. kenny already thinks smith is NHL ready so maybe by next season he can come out and produce.need a backup goalie other than mac too

Edit: might have to run a 6 forward PP if we dont replace Lids. obviously the puck movement on the blue line will be lacking with both him and raffi gone.

I doubt going with a D like this:

Kronwall Stuart

White Ericsson

Kindl Smith

Commodore

would be wise when Kenny will have somewhere in the 24+M range in cap space to work with. Unless you can think of a UFA better than Suter that will be available the following year.

[2probert4 8]

I dont get why people say this. The wings will have money to throw around, out of any contender type teams they will have by far the most and should be able to add 2 7 million dollar guys while still signing Lidstrom for 5.

This offseason wont be like last where we were all like "Oh I wish we could get Richards maybe he'll tke 4 million to come here or something"

It'll be like "Hey Kenny toss your money around use 7 and a half on him and 6 on this guy and we'll win the cup this year"

I live in the Metro Nashville area (transplanted) and here is the latest on Weber for those interested....

Shea Weber was quoted as saying he was made an offer similar to what Rinne received (7-49m) but he did not accept it because he wants to determine if that team is dedicated to winning. He likes the area and wouldn't mind staying there if the situation was right; but he has told the Predators that he would like them to add some scoring to the lineup as well. I heard this on 102.5 and 104..5, both sports talk stations in the area. (There used to be a Preds fan that lived on these boards, guy thought he was the ultimate authority on hockey) Suter is rumored to be wanting in the 6 to 7 per range... I think it will be hard for them to resign all 3, and have another Tampa Bay situation where 3 guys take up at least 1/3 of your cap, and in this case, their cap ceiling is lower than the league max..... Most important off season in history for this Preds franchise IMO...... Wings would do well if they got either Suter or Weber, of course Weber would be the better pick due to his physical play and 100 mph slapper !

Edited November 15, 2011 by 2probert4

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

No way they can keep Rinne, Weber, and Suter.

[Shaman 713]

Suter would be a definite possibility for the right package of young NHL ready talent, because NSH's ownership wants to keep their team young and inexpensive.

[Guest blueadams]

I dont get why people say this. The wings will have money to throw around, out of any contender type teams they will have by far the most and should be able to add 2 7 million dollar guys while still signing Lidstrom for 5.

This offseason wont be like last where we were all like "Oh I wish we could get Richards maybe he'll tke 4 million to come here or something"

It'll be like "Hey Kenny toss your money around use 7 and a half on him and 6 on this guy and we'll win the cup this year"

this.

it's not a reach this year. it's not hoping for a miracle. it's not being overly optimistic. we're in the driver's seat. the odds are in our favor.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

This is going to be the offseason that has the potential to make the wings contenders for the next 10 years again, if Holland can get it done.

This line makes the most sense of anything in this thread. Not that other ideas here don't make sense, but this is really what it comes down to. This off-season will be huge for the Wings. The saying, "The Red Wings don't rebuild, they re-load" completely applies to this next off-season and what Holland can do with it.

I'm not saying there aren't alternatives if he doesn't work something out, but just imagine how set this team would be in adding Parise and Suter. It almost feels like NHL 12.

[Guest blueadams]

I live in the Metro Nashville area (transplanted) and here is the latest on Weber for those interested....

Shea Weber was quoted as saying he was made an offer similar to what Rinne received (7-49m) but he did not accept it because he wants to determine if that team is dedicated to winning. He likes the area and wouldn't mind staying there if the situation was right; but he has told the Predators that he would like them to add some scoring to the lineup as well. I heard this on 102.5 and 104..5, both sports talk stations in the area. (There used to be a Preds fan that lived on these boards, guy thought he was the ultimate authority on hockey) Suter is rumored to be wanting in the 6 to 7 per range... I think it will be hard for them to resign all 3, and have another Tampa Bay situation where 3 guys take up at least 1/3 of your cap, and in this case, their cap ceiling is lower than the league max..... Most important off season in history for this Preds franchise IMO...... Wings would do well if they got either Suter or Weber, of course Weber would be the better pick due to his physical play and 100 mph slapper !

that's good news.

we all know that weber's the better defenseman of the two. but if suter comes cheaper, and pulls parise in with him, i'll take suter.

[Hockey Convert 55]

Doan would be nice

It may just be me, but I really don't like Doan, and would not want him as a Wing. Frankly, I think he's a cheapshotting scum bag.

I am intrigued by Glencross. If he were going to be available, I'd want to take a serious look.

[WorkingOvertime 536]

this.

it's not a reach this year. it's not hoping for a miracle. it's not being overly optimistic. we're in the driver's seat. the odds are in our favor.

It is a reach. Parise is NJ's captain, and Suter is one of the leagues best defensemen. I would be very surprised if both Suter and Parise are UFA's this summer. Further, if Nashville has to choose one of Weber or Suter, Weber (being a RFA) would be a 'better' loss, since the Preds would receive picks in exchange.

With that said, this should be a great off-season. The Wings will improve, but I would not bet on the Wings getting both Parise and Suter. If anything wants to bet the Wings do, I'll take the bet.

[newfy 695]

It may just be me, but I really don't like Doan, and would not want him as a Wing. Frankly, I think he's a cheapshotting scum bag.

I am intrigued by Glencross. If he were going to be available, I'd want to take a serious look.

Doan has 2 playoff series where he was an absolute force against the wings and some fans want to call him a cheapshotting scumbag...

[number9 3,297]

I dont get why people say this. The wings will have money to throw around, out of any contender type teams they will have by far the most and should be able to add 2 7 million dollar guys while still signing Lidstrom for 5.

This offseason wont be like last where we were all like "Oh I wish we could get Richards maybe he'll tke 4 million to come here or something"

It'll be like "Hey Kenny toss your money around use 7 and a half on him and 6 on this guy and we'll win the cup this year"

I don't like just throwing wads of money at the top guy out there or tossing money around at all for that matter. Of course I will be happy if we sign Parise but I don't want us in a bidding war for him and I don't want any overpaid players on this team. Good hockey teams don't just sign big names, they get the right players for the right price. I was happy when we signed Raffi, but I thought even he was a bit overpaid for. If we can get Parise for under 7 I will be thrilled. But I see a lot of other (bad) teams out their who are in the practice of throwing money around willy nilly. Probably willing to throw more than 7 for a prize like Parise.

If we obtain Parise it should not be because of $7+. It should be because we obtain Suter first and then convince him to accept less and come here. With Suter, our rep, and our cup chances, if Parise is smart and not all about the money *cough* Wisniewski *cough* he'll come here.

If not I'll be more than happy with Alfie or Doan. Adding more vets will just pad our time to develop and eventually bring up our prospects. The thing about the wings reloading and not rebuilding is that we reload from within. With players drafted and trained in Detroit.

[number9 3,297]

I doubt going with a D like this:

Kronwall Stuart

White Ericsson

Kindl Smith

Commodore

would be wise when Kenny will have somewhere in the 24+M range in cap space to work with. Unless you can think of a UFA better than Suter that will be available the following year.

I would roll those lines and not acquire Suter only if we saw a lot of progress out of Ericsson, Kindl, and Smith this season. If Smith can be a legit top 4 like everyone says he can be, and Kindl and Ericsson take the 5th and 6th spot, but play more like 4th to 5th spot d-men. Also, Commodore could regain some of his old play this year. You can't count out anyone who's 6'5" 230lb.

[Hockey Convert 55]

Doan has 2 playoff series where he was an absolute force against the wings and some fans want to call him a cheapshotting scumbag...

Just my opinion, and it has nothing to do with him being "a force" against the Wings; there are plenty of other players that have crushed it against the Wings whom I have no problem with. Doan, every game I've seen him play, I see him throwing cheap shots. Your experience may vary, but until I see something to change my mind, that is mine.

[Guest blueadams]

Just my opinion, and it has nothing to do with him being "a force" against the Wings; there are plenty of other players that have crushed it against the Wings whom I have no problem with. Doan, every game I've seen him play, I see him throwing cheap shots. Your experience may vary, but until I see something to change my mind, that is mine.

sounds like that dirtbag chelios

[Hockey Convert 55]

sounds like that dirtbag chelios

Perhaps. I don't think he'd be the answer to the Wings shortcomings next year either, so I guess that's a similarity.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

I'm biased(/mal-informed). I haven't seen much of Glencross. I haven't seen much of Gleason (aside from the olympics). But I have seen a lot of Doan in the playoffs the last two seasons. IMO, if he was wearing the red and white in one of the last two post-seasons...man, I think he might've been enough. If it wasn't for young super-studs like Parise and Suter being available this coming off-season, I'd be all over Doan as our #1 target.

i can't imagine there'd be a way to squeeze all three on the roster next season. but yeah, he'd be a great deadline acquisition at the right price.

As much as I like the way Doan plays, I really think we need to get younger. I mean he'll be good for another couple years, but a guy like Glencross has 9 points so far. He's responsible defensively. He can put up points, and he's a ferocious player on defense.

[mmamolo 287]

What's all this about Suter and Parise being friends and wanting to play together? I'm not saying that it's untrue, but I would have thought if it were true that it would be much more known. I honestly have never heard that.

If it's true and they ultimately end up together, on any team, the Wings have just as good, if not better, a chance of getting them based on cap space etc.

[2probert4 8]

Suter would be a definite possibility for the right package of young NHL ready talent, because NSH's ownership wants to keep their team young and inexpensive.

Suter is Unrestricted Free Agency after this season.... Wouldn't have to deal for him. Weber however is still Restricted, but the Preds cant take him to arbitration. I agree with the post that they can't sign all 3, regardless of what pipedreams they have... Unless Uncle Gary helps them pay for it.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

sounds like that dirtbag chelios

You mean the Chelios that played here for 10 years, was a part of 2 Stanley Cup Championship teams, and continues to support the greater Detroit area?

[Guest blueadams]

You mean the Chelios that played here for 10 years, was a part of 2 Stanley Cup Championship teams, and continues to support the greater Detroit area?

ugh.

knew i would have to explain this to someone.

i was being SARCASTIC.

...you know, cuz everyone said the same bad things about chelios before we got him that they are know saying about doan??

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

ugh.

knew i would have to explain this to someone.

i was being SARCASTIC.

...you know, cuz everyone said the same bad things about chelios before we got him that they are know saying about doan??

Oops. My bad. Sorry about that.

[newfy 695]

I don't like just throwing wads of money at the top guy out there or tossing money around at all for that matter. Of course I will be happy if we sign Parise but I don't want us in a bidding war for him and I don't want any overpaid players on this team. Good hockey teams don't just sign big names, they get the right players for the right price. I was happy when we signed Raffi, but I thought even he was a bit overpaid for. If we can get Parise for under 7 I will be thrilled. But I see a lot of other (bad) teams out their who are in the practice of throwing money around willy nilly. Probably willing to throw more than 7 for a prize like Parise.

If we obtain Parise it should not be because of $7+. It should be because we obtain Suter first and then convince him to accept less and come here. With Suter, our rep, and our cup chances, if Parise is smart and not all about the money *cough* Wisniewski *cough* he'll come here.

If not I'll be more than happy with Alfie or Doan. Adding more vets will just pad our time to develop and eventually bring up our prospects. The thing about the wings reloading and not rebuilding is that we reload from within. With players drafted and trained in Detroit.

Not everyone is going to take a discount to play in Detroit, and for around 7 million-7.5 million youre getting your moneys worth for a winger who is a threat to put up 40 goals and 90 points for the next 10 years.

Especially since Detroit has the money to pay him fair market value and he would be the answer to setting up for another 10 straight playoff appearances.

Suter at market value is probably 6 million or so. If it comes down to having to pay them each that muchthan the wings should do it. You dont have to expect a discount from everyone, especially when you have the cap space to pay them what theyll want

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Watching Parise play tonight...man alive, we need this guy.

He is all heart, every shift.