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#401 Dabura

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 05:47 PM

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:27 PM

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30+Goals while we have the $...It helps make up for the lack of D...and did I mention we have $.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:58 PM

30+Goals while we have the $...It helps make up for the lack of D...and did I mention we have $.


Or.. we can can sit on the money and wait until next year. I'm kidding. We sat on the money last off season, it appears we will sit on the money this season. I agree with you though, why don't we sign him to a one year deal at the price he likes (providing it is not outrageous) and we will still have a bunch of cap space come next off season. So, we sign Semin for a one year deal, he goes on the road and kills to opposition's defense with the help of Datsuyk, and he comes back to Detroit before we even knew he left. Tell me how this is not a good plan.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:10 AM

Soft, lazy, underachieving, bloated sense of self-worth, all offense, ultra-streaky....


Hudler, Franzen, Lang, Sammy....
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:12 AM

Or.. we can can sit on the money and wait until next year. I'm kidding. We sat on the money last off season, it appears we will sit on the money this season. I agree with you though, why don't we sign him to a one year deal at the price he likes (providing it is not outrageous) and we will still have a bunch of cap space come next off season. So, we sign Semin for a one year deal, he goes on the road and kills to opposition's defense with the help of Datsuyk, and he comes back to Detroit before we even knew he left. Tell me how this is not a good plan.


I hope we sit on some of the money. I still want them to sign a top 6 forward and trade for a defenceman, but it would be nice to have a good cushion should the cap drop after the CBA negotiations. I figure there will be at least a handful of teams dumping salary to get under the cap should the cap drop and no amnesty clause be instituted.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:04 AM

Funny thing is, I like Semin. I actually have a soft spot for guys who are only in it for goals. My problem is, like Rivalred said above, he's more of the same - and we're talking about a team that just s*** the bed because it is so one-dimensional, so samey. If we had our s*** together on D (on the blue line and team-wise), I'd be more for it. If our forecheck was big and fast and nasty and Built Ford Tough, I'd be more for it. If Semin were only one of maybe two lazy, floating, non-physical guys in our forward corps., I'd be more for it.

I keep bringing this up, but, seriously - what are we going to do when we run up against a team like the Preds again in the postseason, and they beat us down, grind us out, throw up the lockdown D, box us out in their zone? Is Alexander Semin just magically going to be the one who breaks through the box and crashes the crease and mucks and bangs in the corners and changes the complexion of the series? I don't think so.

Give me Bobby Ryan and Shane Doan, then we can sign Semin. Maybe.

Edited by Dabura, 21 July 2012 - 09:15 AM.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:06 AM

Funny thing is, I like Semin. I actually have a soft spot for guys who are only in it for goals. My problem is, like Rivalred said above, he's more of the same - and we're talking about a team that just s*** the bed because it is so one-dimensional, so samey. If we had our s*** together on D (on the blue line and team-wise), I'd be more for it. If our forecheck was big and fast and nasty and Built Ford Tough, I'd be more for it. If Semin were only one of maybe two lazy, floating, non-physical guys in our forward corps., I'd be more for it.

I keep bringing this up, but, seriously - what are we going to do when we run up against a team like the Preds again in the postseason, and they beat us down, grind us out, throw up the lockdown D, box us out in their zone? Is Alexander Semin just magically going to be the one who breaks through the box and crashes the crease and mucks and bangs in the corners and changes the complexion of the series? I don't think so.

Give me Bobby Ryan and Shane Doan, then we can sign Semin. Maybe.


Franzen, Hudler, and Sammy were all on the 08 team when we last won the Cup.

Edited by Rivalred, 21 July 2012 - 10:08 AM.

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#408 rage

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:26 PM

Funny thing is, I like Semin. I actually have a soft spot for guys who are only in it for goals. My problem is, like Rivalred said above, he's more of the same - and we're talking about a team that just s*** the bed because it is so one-dimensional, so samey. If we had our s*** together on D (on the blue line and team-wise), I'd be more for it. If our forecheck was big and fast and nasty and Built Ford Tough, I'd be more for it. If Semin were only one of maybe two lazy, floating, non-physical guys in our forward corps., I'd be more for it.

I keep bringing this up, but, seriously - what are we going to do when we run up against a team like the Preds again in the postseason, and they beat us down, grind us out, throw up the lockdown D, box us out in their zone? Is Alexander Semin just magically going to be the one who breaks through the box and crashes the crease and mucks and bangs in the corners and changes the complexion of the series? I don't think so.

Give me Bobby Ryan and Shane Doan, then we can sign Semin. Maybe.


But he's not more of the same. He's a SNIPER and a Winger! Well, I guess we have one in Franzen........

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:30 PM

Do people still think we are going to sign Semin?

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:51 PM

I hope we sit on some of the money. I still want them to sign a top 6 forward and trade for a defenceman, but it would be nice to have a good cushion should the cap drop after the CBA negotiations. I figure there will be at least a handful of teams dumping salary to get under the cap should the cap drop and no amnesty clause be instituted.


I really hope you are right about a few teams dumping some contracts that we could get for cheaper than market value. In my mind, if we do go after Semin, it should just be a temporary deal. He could take a page out of Hossa's book and sign a few one year deals before going after the long one. Although, who knows what the new CBA will bring in terms of contracts.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 05:10 PM

Do people still think we are going to sign Semin?


Is it sad that I still do?
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 06:19 PM

What if Kenny trades Flip, Nyquist and a 1st for Yandle. Then signs Doan and Semin...


CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Shane Doan ($5.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Alexander Semin ($5.500m)
Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Keith Yandle ($5.250m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.775m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,433,712; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $766,288

Jordan Tootoo will wreck shop.

We need someone like Parise that can penetrate the box.-blueadams

#413 cupforwings

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:35 PM

What if Kenny trades Flip, Nyquist and a 1st for Yandle. Then signs Doan and Semin...


CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Shane Doan ($5.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Alexander Semin ($5.500m)
Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Keith Yandle ($5.250m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.775m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,433,712; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $766,288


That would be a bad trade. If Flip and Nyquist are going anywhere it will be fore Bobby Ryan. Yandle isn't worth that.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:14 PM

Realistically speaking, we'll look something like this next year:

Benn-Datsyuk-Eriksson
Alfredsson-E.Staal-Selanne
Neil-Helm-Upshall
McGrattan-Chipchura-Tootoo
Orr/Miller

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Erskine-McQuaid
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Problem?

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:19 PM

Realistically speaking, we'll look something like this next year:

Benn-Datsyuk-Eriksson
Alfredsson-E.Staal-Selanne
Neil-Helm-Upshall
McGrattan-Chipchura-Tootoo
Orr/Miller

Kronwall-Doughty
Jovanovski-Giordano
Erskine-McQuaid
Vandermeer



Problem?

As long as it's Bobby Orr you mean, sure it would be an ... adequate lineup :)

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:25 PM

As long as it's Bobby Orr you mean, sure it would be an ... adequate lineup :)

No, I meant the only Orr that matters, Colton :P
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:44 PM

Why do people hate Orr so much? Yes, he is an enforcer - a pretty good one at that - but I just can't understand, why guys like him or McGrattan aren't getting more respect? They are having the toughest job in the whole game.

If Orr would be available bring him in.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:57 PM

Why do people hate Orr so much? Yes, he is an enforcer - a pretty good one at that - but I just can't understand, why guys like him or McGrattan aren't getting more respect? They are having the toughest job in the whole game.

If Orr would be available bring him in.

Whether people like him or not, he's gonna play under Randy Carlyle this season.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:02 PM

Whether people like him or not, he's gonna play under Randy Carlyle this season.


Sadly true, playing in that fishbowl and knowing you are "only" the emergency option is for sure a hard thing. I don't know much about him, but why don't they use him as a 3rd line powerforward? He has size and is nasty.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:05 PM

Sadly true, playing in that fishbowl and knowing you are "only" the emergency option is for sure a hard thing. I don't know much about him, but why don't they use him as a 3rd line powerforward? He has size and is nasty.

He'll play on the 4th line. He really needs to improve his skating.
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