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Milbury rips Ovechkin

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I'm not saying there's a bias, I'm saying the stat reflects exactly what it says it does. Game Winning Goal tracks how many times the guy scored the goal that gave them one more than their opponent at the end of the game. My point is that it has really no correlation to clutch goals. So it's not that the bias is equal, it's that the stat in no way is an indication of whether or not a player is clutch.

When Datsyuk scores with a few seconds to tie the game and send it to OT, that's an actual clutch goal that will not show up in GWG.

If they wanted to try and track clutch goals, they would have to include other important variables. if the game was tied when the goal was scored. If it was late in the game or OT, etc.

I just think fundamentally the GWG stat implies something about a player it is in no way built to track.

I'll agree with that, but you have to consider that a good portion of those GWGs are in fact what they say they are...game winners. And if you've got a lot of them, then you're scoring in clutch situations. Your example of Franzen scoring the fifth goal in a game but getting the GWG after the opposition comes back to score four times does happen. But Franzen also scores a ton of actual GWGs, and that's fairly clutch. Are their other factors? Sure. But this is a stat that is actually kept, and it is indicative (though not the complete picture) of clutch performance.

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Seriously, you accuse me of manipulating stats huh? What are you doing here? Their respective ages don't matter considering they both came into the league the same year.

Also, as I've stated several times already, Crosby does have a marginally better ppg average but it doesn't really make any difference because he plays so many fewer games.

I'll concede shooting percentage, Crosby's is better. So to recap, Crosby has a better ppg average, is better in the faceoff circle, and has a better shooting percentage. Ovechkin has everything else. IF, and it's a big if, you want to say Crosby is better that's fine, but originally you made it seem like he was far and away the best player in the NHL which simply isn't true.

Ovechkin had 2 more years of developing then Crosby coming into the league. I'd say it plays a little into the grand scheme or comparing the two.

Does Crosby playing fewer games this season really matter? He led his team to clinch the division already, and has 12 more points even with missing games. So while he may miss more games, he makes a bigger impact in the ones he does play, and to an extent where maybe him playing in 36 games, might be more valuable then Ovechkin playing in 48 games.

And Ovechkin is great. I didn't mean to diminish him at all, but there is a pretty clear consensus among hockey writers/coaches/players who the best player in the game is.

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Oh please. That's the most ludicrous thing I've seen. Crosby is not as good of a scorer, not as good of a physical presence, and not as durable. But every other conceivable attribute is in Crosby's favor, he plays a two way center game(Is he a Selke candidate? No, not yet at least but his responsibility on the defensive end is just miles above what Ovechkin is asked to do. Crosby take absolutely no nights off, Ovechkin takes weeks off when not being productive with points. Crosby has an over .20 PPG difference, how is it even a question who is better offensively really?

Crosby is 4th all-time in point per game right behind Bossy, during this one of the lowest scoring eras. I mean give me a break, and is .20+ ahead of anyone currently in the league.

Oh and add that Olympic gold medal to the ring too, and don't forget who clinched the victory.

Ovechkin is a great player, but Crosby has separated himself from him since Ovechkin's prime in 07-10 where there was actually a debate. I hope Ovechkin regains his 60+ goal form, he is a great talent and fun to watch. But Crosby is also fun to watch, and I just don't understand how supposed hockey fans can pass over the opportunity to watch one of the greatest players to ever play the game grow as a hockey player, it's a once in the life time opportunity and it's just sad to me. Because as a hockey player my whole life, Crosby is and will be the best player I'll ever watch live, and that's something that I will cherish. There isn't a Gretzky, and Howe in every era, but we are lucky enough to be experiencing one of those type players and it's a shame people don't care about the actually game when it comes to Crosby.

And don't forget how cheap Ovechkin is, he's been suspended, and has countless of at the very least questionable hits. If the Red Wings fans think Backes is cheap, I'd love to see how they would react when Ovechkin would have ran Lidstrom like he did Gonchar, or Gleason,

Let me refresh your mind, this video doesn't even include his suspension and cheapshots from the past 5 years.

I loved the highlight reel. I loved gonchar. The idiot tried to avoid the hit and gets injured in the process. Or #5 dude is skating with his head down bent over in the middle of the ice what do you expect to happen. Clearly an ovie hater made the video but heck I loved it. 95% weren't dirty at all.

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470 games before he's 26 is a little? Over 470(25 years old) games he has 1.415 points per game. Ovechkin has 593(27 years old) games at 1.219.

Crosby also has a higher shooting%, 14.90 to Ovechkin's 12.1. Might as well add that to the mix.

With Ovie you can expect that 1.219 ppg every year and for an average of 79 games, 3 for suspension if we want to tag it. He's a tank that doesn't get injured and he leads the league in shots every year, so I'll take his 2.8% less shooting. Crosby is the better overall player as I stated before, but he's been injured since Steckel allegedly should have "got out of King Crosby's way".... Ovechkin comes across like a bridge troll in interviews and his hot stick dance was embarrasing, but he's single handedly carrying the Caps into a playoff spot. Crosby is injured and his stacked team is rolling along without him.

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With Ovie you can expect that 1.219 ppg every year and for an average of 79 games, 3 for suspension if we want to tag it. He's a tank that doesn't get injured and he leads the league in shots every year, so I'll take his 2.8% less shooting. Crosby is the better overall player as I stated before, but he's been injured since Steckel allegedly should have "got out of King Crosby's way".... Ovechkin comes across like a bridge troll in interviews and his hot stick dance was embarrasing, but he's single handedly carrying the Caps into a playoff spot. Crosby is injured and his stacked team is rolling along without him.

Just to look at it from a slightly different angle:

If you look at the Caps scoring leaders, there's not much separation in the 3 guys at the top, so one may look at that and say "single handidly leading them to the playoffs?" However, he probably is powering the engine lately, but that also means that he was a big reason for the team sucking earlier in the year.

Pens, 28-8, on a 15 game winning streak with Crosby, 3-2 without him.

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