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#21 cusimano_brothers

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 12:21 PM

No direct reference to Mr. Holland showing "interest" = speculation, at best.

I think that could be deemed to be tampering.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 12:26 PM

Buying out a perennial 25-30 goal scorer who makes only $4m might make great sense to you. To many of the rest of us, it doesn't.


If you asked this guy to pitch in 20 bucks to help with the Franzen buyout, he'd probably have second thoughts about it. But hes ok with suggesting Ilitch to cough up 20 MILLION. I told everyone 4 months ago - DROP THE FRANZEN BUYOUT TALK. It is borderline cause for a lobotomy. The Yankees are the ONLY team in professional sports that can dump millions upon millions in bad contracts and still have such an overwhelming profit that it makes sense to do it. The Wings are not that way.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 12:40 PM

If they add a tough guy that can score goals as well that would be amazing. I'd like to see another DMac type winger on this roster again. 



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 12:46 PM

If they add a tough guy that can score goals as well that would be amazing. I'd like to see another DMac type winger on this roster again. 


I think the organization feels Abby is gonna develop into that guy. But I still would like Bickell and Stalberg but room would need to be created with buyouts.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 12:56 PM

If they add a tough guy that can score goals as well that would be amazing. I'd like to see another DMac type winger on this roster again. 

 

Why do people feel that Bickell is a "tough guy"? He's big, but he's not really a fighter.

 

Six fights in 4 seasons, lost most of them and doesn't fight heavyweights ... discounting one against Staubitz.



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 02:13 PM

Not gunna lie, I'd love to get dupuis. He's the only guy on the pens I like so naturally, he needs to leave

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 02:21 PM

Horton or Clarkson. f*** Bickell.


Bickell is a talented Maltby. He's a player I hate playing against but would love in my team.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 02:35 PM

David Clarkson has to be a top priority. Not a pure scoring sniper, but a big, net-front presence. Kind of like Holmstrom, except he can fight. 

 

I would not mind adding Bickell. He was a prick against Detroit, but I think he was mostly that way on direct orders from Quenneville, and it being the playoffs. The little I saw of him in the past, against Detroit and other teams, he was not nearly as big of a meathead as he was against us. He's not much of a fighter, thought, so don't expect an enforcer type. If you really want to add an enforcer that can handle the heavyweight in the East, there is always the option of Colton Orr. But what are the chances of Holland having Tootoo AND Orr on the same team???  Not good. 



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:00 PM

Why would Bickell or Stalberg sign with the Wings? Right now they are on the better team that will most likely offer them more money (and likely to take a loyalty discount if they do win the Cup) than the Wings would. We all know how Holland plays the UFA game, anyone who was not on the Wings the day before free agency starts will get a smaller offer from the Wings than any other team. He will look to sign our UFAs first (like Flip and Cleary for some reason) and then go after the bigger fish if he has money left over, but mostly for depth guys (Tootoo, Cola, Sammy, etc). 

 

The only time he goes all in is with hired guns/rentals like Hossa and Jagr who have names that all hockey fans are aware of. He will not sign 3rd and 4th liners because it seems like our 3rd and 4th lines are set if and when Helm comes back. 

 

I see Bert and Sammy hopefully saying goodbye to make room for the younger guys and HOPEFULLY Holland fixing what killed us against Chicago, bigger and more experienced defensemen to let some others fix their game in GR and stop turning the puck over, and being beaten one on one while standing still at the blueline, or making blind passes up the boards to no one, or pinching down under the goal line during a line change, etc. 


"I think a tough team, a team that sticks together, is a lot better than leaving the onus on one guy to take care of business." - Brendan Shanahan

 

It still would be nice to have that one guy.


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:01 PM

 

Why do people feel that Bickell is a "tough guy"? He's big, but he's not really a fighter.

 

Six fights in 4 seasons, lost most of them and doesn't fight heavyweights ... discounting one against Staubitz.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:23 PM

Why would Bickell or Stalberg sign with the Wings? Right now they are on the better team that will most likely offer them more money (and likely to take a loyalty discount if they do win the Cup) than the Wings would. We all know how Holland plays the UFA game, anyone who was not on the Wings the day before free agency starts will get a smaller offer from the Wings than any other team. He will look to sign our UFAs first (like Flip and Cleary for some reason) and then go after the bigger fish if he has money left over, but mostly for depth guys (Tootoo, Cola, Sammy, etc). 

 

The only time he goes all in is with hired guns/rentals like Hossa and Jagr who have names that all hockey fans are aware of. He will not sign 3rd and 4th liners because it seems like our 3rd and 4th lines are set if and when Helm comes back. 

 

I see Bert and Sammy hopefully saying goodbye to make room for the younger guys and HOPEFULLY Holland fixing what killed us against Chicago, bigger and more experienced defensemen to let some others fix their game in GR and stop turning the puck over, and being beaten one on one while standing still at the blueline, or making blind passes up the boards to no one, or pinching down under the goal line during a line change, etc. 

the Hawks probably cant give him a raise they have 2 million in cap room, With Handzus Stalberg, Emery, and  Rosival all UFA's and Leddy a RFA



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:45 PM

If you asked this guy to pitch in 20 bucks to help with the Franzen buyout, he'd probably have second thoughts about it. But hes ok with suggesting Ilitch to cough up 20 MILLION. I told everyone 4 months ago - DROP THE FRANZEN BUYOUT TALK. It is borderline cause for a lobotomy. The Yankees are the ONLY team in professional sports that can dump millions upon millions in bad contracts and still have such an overwhelming profit that it makes sense to do it. The Wings are not that way.

Illitch would gladly cough up the money if it was deemed best for the team.



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:48 PM

 

Might just as well list his fights in Midget if you're only going to show fights in the AHL.

 

In the NHL he's not a tough guy.



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 03:48 PM

Bickell, Clarkson, Horton and/or Iginla



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 06:47 PM

 

Might just as well list his fights in Midget if you're only going to show fights in the AHL.

 

In the NHL he's not a tough guy.

 

Pretty much.  You have to remember, that Wings fans have a different definition of who is or isn't a fighter, enforcer or heavyweight.

 

Bickell has only had a handful of fights the last several years.  He plays a physical and chippy game, but mostly against teams like the Wings.  He wouldn't do s*** against a team like Boston or Toronto, because he knows he'd have to answer for it.  


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 06:50 PM

Pretty much.  You have to remember, that Wings fans have a different definition of who is or isn't a fighter, enforcer or heavyweight.
 
Bickell has only had a handful of fights the last several years.  He plays a physical and chippy game, but mostly against teams like the Wings.  He wouldn't do s*** against a team like Boston or Toronto, because he knows he'd have to answer for it.


You really said fans of the team that had probert and kocur don't know what a true enforcer is?



You need to remember there is very few true enforcers now.

Edited by DeGraa55, 01 June 2013 - 06:50 PM.


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:18 PM

You really said fans of the team that had probert and kocur don't know what a true enforcer is?



You need to remember there is very few true enforcers now.

 

How many of the younger fans were around back when Probert and Kocur played for the Wings?  I never saw those players playing together for Detroit.  Only in youtube fight videos.  I have to go out of my way for that stuff, since the Wings haven't been dressing many enforcers over the years.    

 

Clarkson isn't a "true" enforcer either, but there's a big difference between him and a guy like Bickell, who has maybe one fight per season.    


Edited by GMRwings1983, 01 June 2013 - 07:19 PM.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:28 PM

Stalberg and Bickell?

 

Seriously?

 

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:43 PM

Why would Bickell or Stalberg sign with the Wings? Right now they are on the better team that will most likely offer them more money (and likely to take a loyalty discount if they do win the Cup) than the Wings would. We all know how Holland plays the UFA game, anyone who was not on the Wings the day before free agency starts will get a smaller offer from the Wings than any other team. He will look to sign our UFAs first (like Flip and Cleary for some reason) and then go after the bigger fish if he has money left over, but mostly for depth guys (Tootoo, Cola, Sammy, etc). 

 

The only time he goes all in is with hired guns/rentals like Hossa and Jagr who have names that all hockey fans are aware of. He will not sign 3rd and 4th liners because it seems like our 3rd and 4th lines are set if and when Helm comes back. 

 

I see Bert and Sammy hopefully saying goodbye to make room for the younger guys and HOPEFULLY Holland fixing what killed us against Chicago, bigger and more experienced defensemen to let some others fix their game in GR and stop turning the puck over, and being beaten one on one while standing still at the blueline, or making blind passes up the boards to no one, or pinching down under the goal line during a line change, etc. 

The hawks have no cap room, unless they decide to buy someone out. They have 2 million to spend and Stalberg and Bickell will each be making more than that next season. The hawks also only have 17 IIRC players signed for next season. They have a cap mess to address.



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:54 PM

Stalberg and Bickell?

 

Seriously?

 

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Yes. Big (one is 6-3/210 the other 6-4/230) forwards that are in their prime (both are 27) That can score (Stalberg had 22 goals in 11/12 and Bickell had 17 in 10/11) That hit (Bickell had 108 this year and Stalberg had 43) that are reasonably priced are hard to find. I would expect both to sign in the 2.5-3 million per range. If they would have been on our team this year, Bickell would have been second in hits after Abby and Stalberg would have been 8th. They are great options to replace bert and Sammy with. Now my personnel preference would be Clarkson and Bickell. Clarkson would ave been tied for 1st in goals scored 15, and be in second in hits wth 84. Now if we add Bickell and Clarkson to our team this past season we add 24 goals and 192 hits.


Edited by Richdg, 01 June 2013 - 07:55 PM.






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