there's something about brawls like this (or that UK one somebody posted the other day) that always make me a little queezy. i'm not sure what it is -- something about the unbridled chaos just rubs me the wrong way. i'm all for fighting in certain circumstances, and i wish the wings would do it more. i was stoked when pavs dropped the gloves early in the year. but, i don't know, there's something about stuff like this that i really don't like. especially the way it was so obviously planned that all five starters just friggin jumped the other players like they were in a dark ally.
call me a ***** if you want, but i'm just not into this at all.
Hey everyone. I was browsing stats this morning when I noticed how huge of a percentage Crosby had of his teams goals and points (Crosby has 24 goals, second place guy has eight). I thought I'd dig a little deeper and compare him and the Pens to the other top teams in the league. I looked at the top two teams in each conference (Washington and Pitt in the east; Detroit and Dallas in the west), and looked at their top goal/assist/point producers and what percentage of their team's total they owned in each category. I also looked at the top three players as a combined total.
In some cases, the individual with, say, the most goals was not the one with the most assists. In such cases, I have included full lines for each player, bolding the category in which they lead the team.
Same goes for the player triplets. For example, two of Detroit's top three goal-scorers are not among their top-three point producers, so I included multiple combinations.
Note that the sets of three are not necessarily an actual line, just the top three producers in each category. Make sense?
So. What do you think? It seems obvious that of the top four, Pittsburgh is the most imbalanced team, while the Wings are the most balanced. Does this matter? My gut is to say that we're in the best position because we would be the most resilient to injury (if Crosby goes down the Pens lose a quarter of their current goal production), but could it mean that no Wing is really playing a dominant game this season? Does it not really matter? Is there a better way to look at team scoring balance (I'd thought about doing it by actual lines, but that's problematic too because lines don't always play together)? Also, this is not a Crosby thread -- that's just what drew my attention to this whole issue.
i'll accept this thread simply because if quincey was third in defense points right now, there would be threads about how bad the management had f***ed up letting him go. you can't judge the quality of a decision like this until further down the road. obviously, this isn't the end of the story, but i think it's an important plot point as we weigh the decision as it happened.
yeah, i have mixed feelings on this one. my gut reaction is that it's a very bush league thing to do, and that i think it should get penalized. but on the replay, it's not like it goes on for a long time, kipper is wailing on him, and it stopped a significant amount of time before the shot was taken. it would be different if the ref called the penalty AS pronger was doing it, but the ref let them play and it seemed like he retroactively assessed the penalty. i don't know.
if this happened to a wing, i'd probably be really pissed. but it happened to pronger so i'm a little happy on the inside. just like the correy perry own-goal, couldn't have happened to a better jackass.
K55 got at this, and i don't pretend to predict that howard will become a brick wall, but the dude is an NHL rookie. yeah, he's old for a rookie, but i don't see any reason to not believe that he can still improve on things like rebound control and stick handling. he's a rookie. datsyuk did not do his best stick-handling his rookie year; franzen did not score the most goals of his career his rookie season.
i keep reading people's comments about how howard has failed us and how that means we won't succeed in the future. i see no reason to believe that he won't improve. i'm not saying he WILL, but there's a good reason to believe that he might.
the j-ho we saw this year is not the best j-ho we will ever see.
I was feeling like s*** and starting to think about next season. Now I realize that's a ****** bag thing to do, 'cause our season isn't over. We have at least 1 game left, let's stop crying and support our f***in' team.
yeah dude. we might lose thursday; we might win. i fully support the idea of this thread: just keep cheering your team until they're bounced.
and then, keep cheering them. because they're the red wings, and we love them. and if you're going to hate on them just because they lose a couple of games, then jump off the bandwagon and go to hell.
It could happen. I don't want it to, but I know damn sure it could. I know it doesn't feel like it now for you guys, but all it takes is one win to change the momentum and lift hopes.
Right now I am sure it is tough for the Wings players to believe, but when the game starts on Thursday they can just take it one step at a time. If the Wings win Game 4 and then Game 5 in San Jose, they will all believe, and then it's a real series again.
Sharks were down 3-0 to the Stars two years ago in the western conference semifinals. All hope was lost. They battled for a victory in Dallas and then won an OT game in Game 5 in San Jose and you could tell at that moment the series was real again. They then lost a 4-OT heartbreaker in game 6 where they played their lives out but couldn't get it done. This was the year when the Sharks were cemented as playoff chokers in the eyes of the hockey world (enhanced obviously by our loss to the Ducks one year later) but it was also the year when they really showed the most heart in their Thornton era.
The Wings can do the same.
Nabby is not the kind of playoff goalie who steals games. He is steady, consistent, and he makes some big saves, but he isn't gonna stop 45 shots for a shutout like a Hiller or a Halak or a Kiprusoff in his prime. If the Wings get the kind of pressure they were getting on him in the first period he will let in goals.
I know I won't feel good until there is 00:00 on the clock and the sharks have more goals than the wings (ok, i'd probably feel ok with a 6 or 7 goal lead in the third, but that won't happen).
The fourth win is always the hardest one to get. Guys like Thornton and Pavelski will have to continue to step up in order to beat you guys. I hope they can. Go Sharks!
i could easily be wrong, but you sort of seem like the nicest opposition poster that has ever graced these boards. also, you seem objective, which is rare among sports fans.
we were all hoping for a good series. if the wings at LEAST win one game, it will be a better series, drama-wise, than a pure sweep. as an objective sports fan, i'd like that. and, as a wings fan, i'd like to see them win four straight. : )
I think the entire team has failed,after making the hard fought push to make the playoffs since the olympic break the entire team looks gased to me.Also I just don't think Howard has what it takes to make it in the playoffs. He's like Legace,a great season goalie,but come crunch time he just isn't good enough.
We all know at the end of the day it's a team sport,but we just don't have the goaltending this year to get the job done.I had to work tonight and didn't get to see the game,but being up 3-1 midway in the 3rd,there's no excuse for losing this game.We have to find a number one goalie this summer,or next year will be more of the same.
i just don't agree with the bolded part. you're basing a guy's career value on one playoff run. sure, he's an "old" rookie, but dude's still an NHL rookie. like i said before, cam ward had an amazing playoffs in his rookie year, but it's not as if that's led his team to be a perennial cup contender. i just don't want to see howard getting totally thrown under the bus when he's had once chance to prove himself as a playoff goalie. IMO we've seen him improve a lot in the last few years from GR to detroit, and it seems to me that, as of right now, there is no reason to assume that he won't be better in the playoffs next year, assuming we make it.
for those blaming howard...i see your point, to a degree. it's tough to win playoff games when you let in four goals a game. that short-side goal-line shot, for example, should not have been let in tonight. it seems like he's had one of those every game -- one goal that he should have gotten. and we've lost all the games by one goal. so maybe that IS the difference.
at the same time..yeah, so we're probably going to get bounced in the second round this year. it's our 19th straight trip to the playoffs, so we can't be that bummed, can we? maybe this a good learning experience for howie and for the future of the wings. you can't expect a cup every year. i'd rather have howie have a mediocre first playoff experience and keep building on that than have a cam ward AMAZING first playoff experience and then not make the playoffs for a bunch of years in a row afterward. i would say that, in some ways, this a rebuilding year for the wings, but for us, a rebuilding year means only getting to the second round. for most teams, "rebuilding" means a sub .500 record and no playoff berth. so, honestly, i'll take it. don't be too quick to s*** all over howard for one imperfect playoff run.
I figured 1,000 was too overwhelming for a game 1. Was almost certainly the reason we lost. , something lower should do the trick
That Mp3 clip is awesome! I want to get one to use as my ringtone, needs to be faily lengthy though I guess, for a ringtone. Can you think of any appropriate calls?
#28 Brian Rafalski
after more thought, i agree with your logic.
i'm in the business of making ringtones of wings calls for people. if you like that one (or any of the mp3s i posted in the "kenny's call of z's gwg" thread), you should be able to use them for a ringtone -- it would just loop, i guess. if you find a longer call that you would want as a ringtone, PM me and i'll hook it up for ya.
on that note, here's a real good one. i'll post my favorite call as we get closer to 800 -- gotta save the best for last.
edit: this server sucks because it's free; you might have to click it twice or three times to get it to work. sorry!
hey y'all. so i gotta drive up north an hour to work on my mom's last will on account of her cancer. sorry to be a debbie-downer...thought i'd post here for one more LGW post since i probably won't be able to post again today. if anyone wants to shoot up prayers in the from of a game 1 victory post, i would super love that.
hockey is great; family is better. and when one meets the other, it is unstoppable. much like the wings in the playoffs.
I'm sitting in one of the "Quite Zones" at my university library.
I laughed out loud at this, you just made me an outcast
ah, you poor bastard. i graduated last spring and i do not miss school *at all*.
although, now i'm working a third-shift job to pay back my loans, which means i'm probably going to miss most of the games (i'm off friday though...w00t!)
hmm...let's see. i work wednesday night, but my job allows me to have an MP3 player (with fm tuner) on at work...the only problem is that in GR 107.3 is the only local sports radio station, and i think that tigers games trump even playoff NHL games just because of ratings (which bums me out). tigers play at 1:05 wednesday, though, so HOPEfully that game will be on 107.3. friday i can watch live. sunday afternoon game = win. next tuesday with the wings on at 6.30 the tigers are not on until 10:10...so they might air that one, too! sweet! next friday might suck with the tigers being in texas and the wings on at ten. hopefully they'll at least join in progress...which sometimes they do and sometimes they have an hour of postgame instead of playing a live sporting event, which drives me crazy.
don't get me wrong, i love the tigers, and will listen to them all summer. but there's no way that early-season anything should trump playoff anything. i'd feel the same way in october if the tigers were in the POs and they had an early season wings game on.
now, if the whitecaps are on instead of the wings this spring WBBL WILL be getting an angry call from me. i realize more people watch baseball than hockey, but SURELY there are more wings fans in GR than whitecaps fans.