I think Fabian is unproven. And I don't have much of an opinion on him, as he has played and looked ok in what 2 games?
my beef is with Abdelkader. I don't think Abby has proven he is a third line player. I believe he was our worst player during last year regular season, and during the playoffs he was horrific.
It also sounds like you think he could become a Cleary type player. Which implies he's not as good as Cleary right now. Well, if Cleary is not working out with Datysuk right now, why would someone who's not as good as Cleary work out? doesn't make sense to me.
in his defence Abdelkader has been better this year, and I hope he proves that he deserves a chance on that first line. I'd rather be wrong and have a winning team, than to sit here and say "told you so"
go wings. I wish the game would start already.
Abdelkader's third line last year in the Phoenix series was great. Abby's third line this season with Helm and anyone else has been great. I don't see what you think is terrible about his play.
Nothing abdelkader has done in the past two season suggest he should be prompted to the first line.
Okay? Did I state that?
Abby has done more than Fabian in the past two seasons. Fabain has played in the AHL (and NHL for the Wings) with teams affiliated with two non-playoffs teams. Abby has played in the playoffs and has been a constant NHler. Fabian has passed through waivers without being claimed, Abby has not been sent down and IMO he would be claimed if he were sent down.
Abby has proved he is a stable third line player through his play last year in the playoffs and his play this year. Fabian has not proven he can play in the NHL on any line (he is a solid fourth liner for the Wings though). Abby could become a Cleary type player for the Wings (playing any line) if his scoring improves when his lines-mates improve.
I have nothing against Fabian, but he needs to earn his time. This is a player that could not crack two non-playoff teams, and was not claimed on waivers. I am glad the Wings are giving him a chance- he just needs to earn his minutes.
Thanks to the poster above for the info... I have not been able to find any info on Babs talking about lines at all today. It is nice to know. I really like the idea of Fabian up there with Pavs and Mule.... that could turn out to be a really fun line.
Nothing Fabian has done in the past two season suggests he should be prompted to the first line.
It would be wrong to penalize a team that doesn't want to play into the trap. That's just giving other teams more reason to use the trap.
Both sides are equally wrong. A team is just as much at fault for not forecheck pressuring as a team not advancing the puck. There will have to be a rule change of some kind in the future to combat this.
I agree. I'm not sure how one team can be singled out for this happening. I hope the league doesn't make a knee-jerk reaction with any changes.
The Lightning won and the fans (the ones that I have talked to) don't mid this style because they are winning. Look at the cups the Devils won doing the same thing, I doubt ther fan base cared they played the trap. Stevie and the coach get paid to win, not to appease fan boys.
FWIW Philly scored first, despite the trap- Tampa then stopped playing the trap. I'm not sure if it was implemented as severely after Tampa tied the game. Tampa did win, but it wasn't because Philly sat back on their breakout.
I feel so bad for Pavs, absolutely no help at all. Why doesn't babcock take Cleary off the top line ? hes brutal out there. Since the 2nd line is overloaded with good players, maybe move Hudler up or Bruunstrom ?
I don't know how many times I've posted this- Brunnstrom has to earn that spot. He couldn't make the Leafs or Stars last season, and he needs to prove his skill. I'm glad we're giving him that chance, but that position should not be gifted to him- he needs to earn it and be better than Bert, Cleary, Huds, Homer, or Abby (assuming the second line remains as-is).
I think Brunnstrom should have a shot in the top six but putting him with Holmstrom would be a waste. Both lines in the top 6 have combinations rarely seen but we might as well try them.
And I realize now I forgot Cleary, I guess you can scratch Holmstrom/Nyquist or maybe Eaves isn't ready to go, but frankly he could get sick too.
I cannot understand why so many posters believe Brunnstom should be given a spot in the top-6. He could not crack the NHL roster of the Leafs or Stars last season. I'm all for letting him earn that spot, but I don't think it should be given to him, especially above Cleary and Hudler/Bert when they are healthy.
Brunnstrom should get a chance in the top 6. He wasn't amazing tonight but wasn't bad either. Looked much better tonight than during that Washington drubbing. Either way it helps to play games. AND KEEP BERTUZZI OUT FFS (meaning for f*** sake).
He has to earn it. We're talking about a player that's been in the AHL because he couldn't crack an NHL roster. With that said, his first few shifts were great. As the game went along, his compete level went down IMO.
It's agonizing, but nothing you can do about it. Thats why I was pissed off during the game. Now I am going to watch another game on gamecenter live. Gonna see if they can turn it around on Saturday. Thats all you can hope for at this point.
Agree. We've had a lot of good fortune lately, and it's frustrating to see this team play lately. I'll be watching every game hoping they turn it around.