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#2186060 No, No, NO! Jagr interested in Detroit.

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 16 June 2011 - 08:21 AM

my problem is that this puts another one of our young guys out of a regular position again.... might as well resign modano, draper, ozzie. seriously. I mean look at other teams: people are shocked that carter is 26 and puts up mad points or that Burns/Weber are so young and talented. The fact is that they had time from a young age to ripen. Our young guys don't come up till they are usually 24 and they don't get much in terms of minutes. Young talented guys are great for everything: keeping, trading for big return, health/injuries, and energy. Don't say that only top 5 picks can make the jump at an earlier age, weber was a 2nd rounder. I want to have more guys like helm and abby that we can count on for the future, forget these "one year wonders" and invest in our youngsters.

Realistically, he would only take a spot away from Hudler, Emmerton, or Miller. The best option IMO is for Jagr to replace Hudler.


#2185337 Babcock Interview + Jagr to Detroit Rumor

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 15 June 2011 - 10:37 AM

HOW MANY TIMES AM I GOING TO HAVE THE USE THE DO NOT WANT DOG THIS MORNING?!

Really, though, I'm with Stevkrause - he'd be taking a spot away from someone more deserving / more desirable.

Like who? Emmerton? Hudler?

I don't want the Wings to sign Jagr for any amount of large money, but I'd take him for under 2.5 million on a one year deal.


#2184949 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 13 June 2011 - 07:44 PM

I can't believe NBC showed that quote as he was getting pulled. Awesome troll there.


#2184634 Mayfield at number 24

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 11 June 2011 - 08:07 PM

Skilled players play in more offensive roles and top line minutes. Skilled players are more valuable. The same applies to the draft. Rarely it's wise to pick physicality or size etc. over skill in the early rounds. You can dominate with size in the junior leagues if you're more mature physically already. Some players mature earlier, but in the end it's the potential you look for - and skill will become more important in time.

I would agree with you if the Wings had a top-10 pick, but the better skill players all go within the top-10. I'm fine with the Wings picking a shut-down dman in the first round if he is projected to be a good shut-down dman in the NHL. The Wings need players to make it to the NHL and not be fringe players, regardless of role. IMO the Wings are just as likely (or more likely) to find a skilled forward in the other rounds (not round one) than the are at the bottom of the first round. Therefore, picking a shut-down dman is not a wasted pick.

If Biggs is available, I want the Wings to pick him, but he will probably go earlier.

EDIT- All of the skilled players that are near-ready NHLers are taken before the Wings will pick. Any top-line talents will likely have to be a high-risk player, and that should occur in later rounds.


#2183865 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 08 June 2011 - 09:50 PM

Boston just made Van look silly.


#2183817 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 08 June 2011 - 08:39 PM

Boston needs to keep this up.


#2183729 10/11 Hockeyfights.com awards voting...

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 08 June 2011 - 02:29 PM

The Eastern Conference isn't real hockey.


That is all.

Edit:
The reason why I wouldn't want one of those players can be stated in one stat: Detroit - 81.7% PK. Until the Wings fix their PK there is 0 reason to bring a guy who spends 300 minutes in the box. Drew Miller may not be a great offensive talent, but he gives 100% and brings 20 points, he is very disciplined (only 10 PIM in 66 games), and he does it all cheaply. Why anyone would want to bring in a penalty machine to the Wings who are in the bottom half in PK is beyond me.

Most of those PIMS are from fighting or (undeserved IMO) misconducts. Konopka didn't have 300 PIMs composed of minors. Also, that does not address McCormick. Konopka and McCormick are both great PKers as well, so they wouldn't hurt the team in that regard. If anything your statistic favors these players because they can PK well.

I'm not sure why this reply was to my post, unless it was just out of convenience... I've stated since day one that a guy like McCormick is what is needed today and the Wings could use him... I just hate the enforcer debate, because pure enforcers are useless in todays game...

More in response to the posters that haven't been to the website in the OP to looks at the other teams who are nominated for best enforcing team than you specifically. The Pens and Bruins are both in running for this award.


#2183704 10/11 Hockeyfights.com awards voting...

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 08 June 2011 - 01:13 PM

how did Edmonton and NY finish in the standings last year? refresh my memory...

The team currently second in voting for the Best Enforcing Team is the Boston Bruins. They have a good model for enforcing. Thornton is their main enforcer, and he can also play, while Lucic, Horton, McQuaid, etc can hold their own against most MW's. I don't think there is evidence that enforcing well translates into team success or failure. I do believe that having an enforcer would allow players like Abdelkader to play tougher knowing someone has their back.

Can someone here who is against McCormick/Konopka/Prust-type enforcers explain to me how their addition to the team as a replacement for Miller would hurt the Wings in 2011-2012 (holding all other roster changes equal)?


#2183430 10/11 Hockeyfights.com awards voting...

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 07 June 2011 - 06:53 PM

I'll never understand you folk that don't get the idea that the Wings could use a guy who'll drop the gloves with some regularity during the season. One guy taking a penalty here and there while giving the opposing team something to think about when it comes to taking liberties with our players certainly isn't going to cost us in the win column. AND HELL, I'm not even talking about a guy that JUST fights.

Hell, I'll even throw this little nugget out there for you to ponder over.

Seguin is healthy scratched last night in favor of Thorton. Sure, he might not be on the scorers sheet in the way of points... but I tell you what... his presence was felt and it certainly helped spark some team-mates and get some opposing players off their game.

I think a lot of it is because some of the posters on here only watch the Wings. While this is fine, I don't see how someone can make a valid argument for or against an enforcer if they don't watch the other 29 teams in the league outside of their games with the Wings.


#2183422 10/11 Hockeyfights.com awards voting...

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 07 June 2011 - 06:26 PM

How many games did Downey play in the 2008 playoffs? Same answer as yours.

That isn't the discussion. In fact, the award mentioned in the OP is a regular season award.

How many games did DMac play during the playoffs in his cup-winning seasons(outside of 08)? In 08 Drake played, and DMac played during the earlier cups.

No one here is suggesting the Wings carry someone with as much skill as Downey. We want someone better, and there are better players available. Even if the player only played during the regular season, it would still be an upgrade especially if the player can be within 5 points of Miller (which Konopka and McCormick can) and add a dimension the Wings lack.

EDIT- The original point still holds. The Wings haven't won a cup recently without a rostered enforcer.


#2183411 10/11 Hockeyfights.com awards voting...

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 07 June 2011 - 06:03 PM

Worst Enforcing Team, but most Stanley Cups.

How many of the recent cups have come without an enforcer on the team? I'll save you the time- the answer is zero.


#2183393 10/11 Hockeyfights.com awards voting...

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 07 June 2011 - 05:02 PM

Yeah, it is true and it isn't a big deal. I don't really think the Wings need to waste money on an enforcer who will bring nothing to the team other than fighting but that is just me since the Wings aren't the same team as they used to be 10-20 years ago.

What about McCormick or Konopka? They play almost as well as Miller, and can fight.

The Wings didn't waste money in 08 when they have Downey, McCarty, and Drake (to a lesser extent).


#2183372 10/11 Hockeyfights.com awards voting...

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 07 June 2011 - 04:09 PM

LINK:

http://www.hockeyfig...ng-team-159147/

Not really a huge issue but its a little slow around here and I figure we could use another enforcer thread as opposed to a line thread.

Anyways, Wings currently have a HUGE lead,almost 85% of the current votes, for the worst enforcing team in the league against Nashville, Phoenix, Tampa Bay and Carolina..

I am gonna say the number is slightly thrown off by the overwhelming Wings hatred that is found on Hockeyfights.com, but is it true? I know the Wings dont have any real "enforcers" but I don't think that they are the worst enforcing team in the league just because they have the least overall fights.. I mean it's not very often you would see this team get pushed around this year..

Anyways.. guess the only real questions are.. do you think it's true? And if it is, is it a huge concern going forward?

It is true.

It's not a huge concern if the players don't mind. With that said, the players would play 'tougher' with an enforcer to have their back, and I think that would increase the Wings' chances of winning (not that they can't without one). That's why I'm all for McCormick or Konopka.


#2183119 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 06 June 2011 - 09:43 PM

Classic Lucic going after Burrows. That guy is the biggest ***** over 6'2 I've ever seen. Spot picking loser. Now we got Kesler and Seidenberg, at least the ugly factor is picking up.

Enforcing isn't about picking on players your own size- it's about seeking retribution. Good on Lucic for doing that.


#2183097 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 06 June 2011 - 09:02 PM

Please let the Bruins increase the lead and Thornton fight someone.