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#2436079 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by Crymson on 12 September 2013 - 10:28 AM

Gee, great. At least it's only for a year.


Cleary had better have an excellent year. Otherwise I'm going to do some very extreme nothing, because there's nothing I can do.

#2433807 Grand Rapids Griffins - Behind The Benches

Posted by Nev on 22 August 2013 - 06:59 AM

There is a thread for this in the Griffins forum, but since no-one goes there, and no-one has seemingly seen it, I hope the mods allow this thread to remain.


The Griffins did an HBO 24/7  style "behind the benches" series of videos for each round of their playoff run, which are frankly amazing.  The production values are incredible and they offer a fascinating insight.  The links are for the 2 videos from the finals, but all the previous rounds are linked beneath the videos.



Several things spring to mind watching them.


Blashill is mini-Babcock.  Very cool and proffesional.

Ferraro has a mouth and an agitating style to match Maltby, and drops the gloves to boot.

Tatar is a VERY confident individual, borderline arrogance and I can see why he rubs some Wings fans the wrong way.  He's going to really wind the opposition up.

The importance of the veterans on that team.  Some round here would I think like every player on the Griffins to be under-21, but its clear guys like Hoggan and Grant were hugely important on and off the ice.


Best line of the series - Triston Grant on being complimented on his playoff beard "Thanks, I have my mothers genes" :lol:

#2434167 Wings sign Alfredsson to 1-year, $3.5m deal (+$2m bonuses)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 August 2013 - 09:53 AM

It's funny, given how many perfectionists here were pissed that he was on the team at all in his last two seasons.

An aging vet who falls down a lot but plays fearless, does the dirty work, and is all heart, yet in spite of that people act like he's total garbage and can't wait to kick him off the team?

hmm... that sounds strangely familiar.

#2426175 The Overreaction Thread

Posted by Crymson on 04 July 2013 - 08:52 PM

Can we get a fan letter in to Mr Illitch to voice our displeasure with Holland? I think most people would just be happy with a GM that avoids dead weight players and lets the kids fill spots as they earn it. Im not saying holland should be spending to the cap with the flavor of the month - i just want him to stop pursuing old vets instead of letting the kids play. Why draft them then?


Holland has helped Ilitch earn loads of money. If you hadn't noticed, postseason performances bring in quite a bit of dough. And by just about every metric out there, Holland is the best GM of the past 15 years.

#2429792 Brunner Contract Talks

Posted by Crymson on 12 July 2013 - 04:25 PM

I'd rather have Brunner under contract at a slightly higher price tag right now than Samuelsson/Tootoo riding the bench sucking a larger combined salary.


According to various sources, he's been trying to move both of them.


That said, there's simply not much room for Brunner on this team. With Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Weiss, Alfredsson, Tatar, Nyquist, and Bertuzzi/whoever, the Wings already have three scoring lines. Then they've got Helm, Andersson, Miller, and Eaves to round out the checking line. Much as I would like to have Brunner on this team, there's just no space; and more importantly, there's no reason to give him the top-six role that he's demanding as a condition of being signed. He performed better in a third-line capacity, and he's not satisfied with that. His demand for top-six time despite his relative inexperience, insufficient degree of consistency and defensive shortcomings is perhaps part of what's turning teams off on him.

#2426331 Wings buy out Colaiacovo, will keep Bertuzzi

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 05 July 2013 - 09:22 AM

I just don't get the Daniel Cleary hate. He is durable, has a big heart, one tough bastard and veteran presence. Is it based on salary/years? I would take him on my team any day.


Durability: ** GP (Games Played)/GS (Games Scheduled) = % PLAYED (Games Played)

Regular Season



05-06 = 77/82 = 94%
06-07 = 71/82 = 87%

07-08 = 63/82 = 77%
08-09 = 74/82 = 90%
09-10 = 64/82 = 78%
10-11 = 68/82 = 83%
11-12 = 75/82 = 92%
12-13 = 48/48 = 100%




05-06 =  6/6 = 100%
06-07 = 18/18 = 100%
07-08 = 22/22 = 100%
08-09 = 23/23 = 100%
09-10 = 12/12 = 100%
10-11 = 11/11 = 100%
11-12 = 5/5 = 100%
12-13 = 14/14 = 100%


Scheduled Games Played:

Season Avg: 88% (540/622)

Playoffs Avg:  100% (111/111) Scheduled Games Played (NEVER a healthy scratch)


My theory is he was asked to play a bigger role than he probably should have at this point in his career so he struggled at times.  Combined with his type of game being not being very pretty. 


Then once you become the whipping boy here it doesn't really matter what actually happens on the ice.  Cleary was 2nd on the team in playoff scoring and people try to dismiss all his points. 


If it's so easy why couldn't Franzen, who's much bigger than Cleary and wasn't playing with a separated shoulder, manage to get to the front of the net "and have pucks hit him?"  Or Flip for that matter?  


A big part of the answer is because Cleary is willing to do what Homer did.  Pay the price to earn his spot in front of the net and stand there as someone rockets a slapshot at him.  If you watch Mule, he often spins out of the way before the puck gets to him.  


As I said before, if Cleary is re-signed and he ends up playing a lot of minutes on the top 6 and PP, that's not his fault.  That's Hollands.  Cleary's larger role on the offense is a symptom of a bigger problem, but it doesn't make him a bad player.

#2425075 Wings buy out Colaiacovo, will keep Bertuzzi

Posted by dropkickshanahans on 02 July 2013 - 08:17 PM


Pretty much.  Holland is obsessed with old geysers who aren't that good anymore.  Did Bertuzzi or Samuelsson even play last season?  Why are they being given another chance to get injured?   


I remember Cleary playing, because we all made countless jokes about him throughout the year, but he actually played well in the playoffs.  But still, its time to be fully committed to a youth movement.  We'd have enough veterans with Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Kronwall to have a balanced lineup with experience and youth.


He moves like he's 44.  Ric Flair is in better shape than him.  


I'd buy a Cleary jersey if he boarded somebody and went "WOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo!!!"

#2421008 NHL considering ban on spin-o-rama in shootout..

Posted by ogreslayer on 20 June 2013 - 11:09 AM

The one they should make illegal is the Patrick Kane "Come to a complete stop & stick handle for 2 minutes" move

#2410683 Red Wings don't belong in the same rink as the Hawks?

Posted by Jedi on 23 May 2013 - 10:24 PM

Twitter for the lolz...


To all my "fans" in #RedWings country: Enjoy your dinner. It's comin' back up later when the hammer gets back to being the hammer.


@DanMcNeil670 Really? My dinner is staying down just fine. How is yours doing?

@DanMcNeil670 ‏

@ShaneOConnell2 crummy.

#2400710 WCQF Game 6 GDT : Ducks 3 at Red Wings 4 (OT) - (Series Tied 3-3)

Posted by marcaractac on 09 May 2013 - 07:12 PM

No matter what happens, I'm proud of this team. With all the changes, all the kids, and the short season with next to no training camp and no pre season. The way they responded when in a situation where they had to win out the last 4 games of the season just to make the playoffs. Having the kids learn playoff intensity on the fly and make this a hell of a series that WILL go to game 7. 


Love the direction this Wings squad is going, and even if no moves are made, this team will be even better next year. 


When most teams rebuild, they dwell in the basement for a few seasons. When the Wings rebuild, we give the #2 seed all they can handle in the playoffs. And when we force game 7, anything can happen! BELIEVE

#2398698 Whining

Posted by hardcoretom21 on 06 May 2013 - 11:51 PM

I have to say, I didn't think Sammy looked half bad today! I can't help but imagine what he would have played like if he had stayed healthy!

#2398510 WCQF Game 4 GDT : Ducks 2 @ Red Wings 3 (OT) - (Series tied, 2-2)

Posted by dirtydangles on 06 May 2013 - 10:17 PM

JUCKf****** POTT!

#2398032 WCQF Game 4 GDT : Ducks 2 @ Red Wings 3 (OT) - (Series tied, 2-2)

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 06 May 2013 - 08:34 PM

Datsyuk creating while getting hooked and held big time.

#2397440 Playing Eaves over Tootoo

Posted by StormJH1 on 06 May 2013 - 03:29 PM


I agree with this.  Eaves kills penalties.  Tootoo doesn't.  I would agree with the argument that Tootoo adds more benefit during 5 on 5 play than Eaves does.  But, I think we're struggling more on special teams than we are at even strength and Tootoo doesn;t help special teams.  I wish he was a good penalty killer.


I also agree that he should be in instead of Bert.  I would not say this if we were talking about a 100% healthy Bert (or even somewhere close to that), but we're not.  He hasn't looked too spry.  Tootoo should have that spot this game.  I don't know that it will be the difference either way, though.


Tootoo's penalty basically lost Game 1 for us.  You can say it was a weak call, and you may be right, but the threshold for borderline calls on Tootoo will always be smaller because he is Jordin Tootoo.  There's a reason he's been healthy scratched by Nashville and Detroit in consecutive years when the games REALLY matter.


I agree that there are times 5 on 5 when Tootoo seems to bring energy to the team.  But the bad will ultimately outweigh the good.  Fans see Tootoo and notice him because he's playing "differently" than the other guys.  He runs people behind the play.  He makes checks to make a statement.  He fights if needs to fight.  Fans assume these must be good things because guys like Bob Probert and Darren McCarty did those things.  But those guys played in a different era, and they could actually play hockey with Top 6 forwards, if needed.  Tootoo cannot.  And if you don't do special teams as a Bottom 6 forward, you don't have a secure job in the playoffs.

#2314971 Has the Detroit diamond lost it's shine?

Posted by Seraph on 04 July 2012 - 03:50 PM

Are you a fan of the Red Wings or are you only a fan of winning? Every franchise faces challenges. Half the fun is seeing how those challenges are overcome.

Are we as prepared for a cup run as we were five years ago? Are we the number one cup contender? No. Things change, players come and go.