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#2533660 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by barabbas16 on 03 August 2014 - 10:16 PM

They were yes. They were what Crosby and malkin are now(talent not the whining).


I'm not sure how whether or not they were is relevant to the conversation.  The post you challenged the usage of the word 'elite' in was specifically talking about the team currently and its players over the age of 31.  Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Kronwall were mentioned as being 'elite,' and you took issue with that word being used with Kronwall (but took no issue on it when it came to Datsyuk and Zetterberg).


Am I to take your response of 'they were' to mean that they are not now, in your opinion, elite?  If so, why did you question/challenge the use of the word 'elite' in association with Kronwall, but not Datsyuk or Zetterberg..... since you do not believe they are elite, currently?

#2533658 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by barabbas16 on 03 August 2014 - 09:54 PM

To me elite is like top 2 or 3 at that position. Like goalies. Elite we had guys like Brodeur Roy and hasek now it's henrik and quick.

So to me kronwall is very good but not elite.


You didn't argue against Zetterberg and Dastyuk being elite, though... just Kronwall.  So, does that mean that you believe that they are the top 2 or 3 at that position?

#2527709 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by barabbas16 on 01 July 2014 - 11:21 AM


The point was, that just because we didn't get a guy doesn't mean that we COULDN'T get a guy.  I don't know what Ehrhoff was thinking.  But I know it's a little premature to say "he obviously wanted to go to Pittsburgh", which is speculative.  One day ago he "obviously" wanted 5 years and 5 million too.  Nothing is definite, least of all Christian Ehrhoff's "obvious" intentions. 


Sure, no one can prove anything and it is technically speculation.  But, it seems pretty obvious and certainly a lot more likely than what you were suggesting.

#2527688 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by barabbas16 on 01 July 2014 - 11:15 AM


And 3 years at 4.5 or 5 million couldn't have convinced him otherwise? 


Don't start making excuses yet.  My least favorite part about FA day is that in the end, when we're left holding a bag of s***, everyone tries to explain why it wouldn't have happened any other way. 


That team has had no more success the last five years than our team has had.  I'm not sure why you think so. 


No, I don't think it could have convinced him otherwise.  Why?  Because I think he could have gotten 3 years at 4.5 or 5 million from a large number of teams.  He clearly wanted to sign with Pittsburgh, in my opinion, so that's what he did.

#2516945 ECQF - Game 5 - Red Wings at Bruins - 3:00 PM EST

Posted by barabbas16 on 26 April 2014 - 04:29 PM

Well, this series has succeeded in at least one thing for me.  It has developed in me a new hatred for the Bruins, a team that I was previously somewhat indifferent towards.  Especially Lucic and Chara.  I would not mind at all if bad things happened to them endlessly.

#2514639 Bertuzzi in, Jurco out

Posted by barabbas16 on 24 April 2014 - 11:21 AM

I figure this is a result of how skittish the team was as a whole for Game 3.  Put another veteran that's been through it all before into the lineup... take out a kid that hasn't been through it before.  It's an effort to calm things down and get mind right to play the right way, imo.  I don't think it is a coincidence that he'll be playing on a line with Sheahan and Tatar either. 


I don't think it is necessarily a knock on Jurco.  He's just the most logical young guy to take out in place of Bertuzzi.  It goes along the same lines as bringing Zetterberg back sooner rather than later to play 10 - 12 minutes and sitting another young guy.  The team flipped out and crumbled last game.  Changes were warranted.... and the changes shouldn't (in my opinion) be 'play even more rookies,' as has been suggested several times.


Just so no one tries to take my message this direction.... No, I don't like Bertuzzi more than Jurco and I don't think he's a better player at this point in their careers.  No, I don't think Bertuzzi should be re-signed.  Yes, I think he should retire.  That said, this change makes sense to me.

#2512514 ECQF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Bruins 4 - Series tied 1-1

Posted by barabbas16 on 20 April 2014 - 03:59 PM

Of course Douchic scored a goal in the game he probably should have been suspended for.  It usually works that way, doesn't it?

#2500123 3/23 GDT: Red Wings vs Wild

Posted by barabbas16 on 23 March 2014 - 08:56 PM

Lashoff's been pretty brutal.


And sadly, still not as bad as Kindl

#2499996 3/23 GDT: Red Wings vs Wild

Posted by barabbas16 on 23 March 2014 - 08:38 PM

Neither of those two goals would have been scored if the refs had properly done their jobs.  Piss poor officiating.

#2491343 21 games to make it 23 years

Posted by barabbas16 on 05 March 2014 - 08:36 PM

Commitment to winning or commitment to being mediocre, same difference it seems.


I want this team to commit to winning a Stanley Cup. Barely making the playoffs every year and then not going anywhere isn't success in my mind. And if the team can't realisitically compete for a cup that season, I want the team to put itself in a position to compete for it in the future. If that means cutting some veterans and letting the youth get a chance to learn the NHL game, so be it. If that means that a streak is sacrificed so the team doesn't throw away picks and prospects for bandaides, so be it. This move by Holland does not make this team a Cup contender, it makes it first round fodder, and it makes it a less viable team in the near future as well.  


Yes, I think we fully understand your line of thinking.  A commitment to losing now is a commitment to winning later.  And, you think that automatically will turn Detroit into the new Pittsburgh and Chicago.  The main problems that I have with that are that (as has been pointed out to you already), top draft picks do not always lead to Stanley Cups or even general success.  There are more examples of teams that drafted high for multiple seasons and it didn't work out that well for them than the other.  And, I don't think losing purposefully for any reason is respectable and I can not and will not buy into it.  I don't root for my team to lose - that's what fans of the other teams do.

#2489350 Luongo to Panthers

Posted by barabbas16 on 04 March 2014 - 05:14 PM

Detroit will now trade Bertuzzi to Vancouver for Matthias.  Full circle.

#2488981 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by barabbas16 on 03 March 2014 - 11:05 PM

Guys, we do need D, but with Weiss's setback our centers are Helm, Andersson, Sheahan, Glendening. Sheesh! Talk about going with the yoots! Sucks that we are forced to do it though...


I think we could possibly benefit from a legit top 6 center.  Paul Stastny comes to mind, but at what cost? Certainly he would be less than Kesler, eh?



Holland is in a pickle...


Did you say yoots?  What is a yoot?

#2481334 Vets over the Kids?, not any more eh Babs.

Posted by barabbas16 on 04 February 2014 - 11:21 PM

Wait, so you guys have problems with the play of Cleary, Samuelsson, and Bertuzzi this season. Got it.  That's been made abundantly clear by a ridiculous amount of posters.


Weiss, though, it is ok for him to play like garbage.  And don't give me he actually played better because he didn't.  Weiss has sucked at least as badly as the rest of the players mentioned this season.  He was terrible.


Weiss had a rough go of it coming off of an injury plagued season.  Yeah, that's true.  None of those other guys were coming off of injury plagued seasons, so that's totally different.


I get it, though.... Weiss gets the benefit of the doubt over those other guys because of all that he has given to the team in previous seasons.  I mean, he contributed to a Stanley Cup victory in Detroit....


Seriously, though, can someone please explain to me this double standard?


Sorry - I know it isn't a Weiss thread.  I agree that the kids are contributing better than the aforementioned veterans have this season, including Stephen Weiss (at least just as much as the others mentioned).

#2478627 1/28 GDT: Red Wings 0 @ Flyers 5

Posted by barabbas16 on 28 January 2014 - 11:15 PM

embarrassing affair tonight. 

why couldn't Tim Thomas let in 6 against us the other night instead of tonight. ugh


Well, he did let in 4 against us.  Gustavsson (and/or the D depending on your opinion) just didn't hold up his part of the bargain...... which is still better than tonight, when no one in red and white held up their end.

#2478573 1/28 GDT: Red Wings 0 @ Flyers 5

Posted by barabbas16 on 28 January 2014 - 09:47 PM


Absolutely they do. It shows that you're pissed off that the guys you're playing are kicking your ass all over the rink and on the score board. The Wings lose like a bunch of wimps, they take it lying down. It doesn't hurt anything to show some goddamn moxie and be pissed off that you're losing an important game to a conference rival that is going to take an important 2 points from you. And I'm sure someone will say "Well they should be focused on scoring goals... not starting scrums/fights" Well, clearly they aren't doing a good job at the whole scoring goals thing, so do something! Don't roll over and die like they do.


....except that the only guys they should really be upset with are the ones wearing the same color jersey. 


Scrum/fight because of some dirty play or something happens?  Sure, stand up for your team mate.  Respectable.


Scrum/fight because you're getting beat because the other team is better at playing hockey than you are?  No.  That makes you the kid that throws the chess board because he can't figure out how to win.  Not Respectable.


You call tonight 'losing like wimps'.... and then you suggest losing like whining children.