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#2456712 What is Samuelsson's role?

Posted by barabbas16 on 22 November 2013 - 02:23 PM

His first time around Sammy was a bargain and probably didn't get enough credit for what he brought to the team.


This time around kinda makes it hard to remember all that though.


I agree.


Guy has 4 solid seasons in Detroit are a pretty good 2nd/3rd liner with some size and a right handed shot on the PP.  Scores a points better than every other game.  Contributes just as much or more in the playoffs, including a Cup run and another run to the finals.  All for pretty cheap, considering.  $537,500 the first year, $1.2 million per the next 3.


Goes to Vancouver for better $ and earns it - does even better for two seasons.  Hits the 30 goal mark.  50 and 53 points respectively.  15 points in 12 playoff games in one of those years.


Gets traded to Florida.  Is out for part of the beginning of the season, but comes back and ends up with 31 points in 54 games (full season 57 point pace).  Florida gets to the playoffs for the 1st time in forever.  He has 5 points in 7 playoff games.


Signs in Detroit again.  Lockout.  Injuries.  Doesn't really get a chance to even play before everybody on LGW decides they hate him.

#2456699 ****(Stuff) no one says about the Wings

Posted by barabbas16 on 22 November 2013 - 01:52 PM

So, a thread where everyone can complain about all of the same things that they complain about in every other thread.... except this time they'll say the opposite and be sarcastic about it.  How refreshingly new.

#2455909 Nyquist Getting the call

Posted by barabbas16 on 20 November 2013 - 11:20 PM

Especially seeing as how the KIDS are the reason we damn near took the hawks out last year in the playoffs.


Yeah.  It's possible that you might be exaggerating the impact the 'kids' had during the hawks series....a tad.

#2454256 GDT: Capitals 4 @ Red Wings 3 (SO)

Posted by barabbas16 on 15 November 2013 - 09:46 PM

Lol. Here we go again. Somebody start playing the circus music so the guys in the red jerseys can all pack into their tiny car together.

#2453307 11/12 GDT : Jets 3 at Red Wings 2 (SO)

Posted by barabbas16 on 12 November 2013 - 10:21 PM

Jimmy Howard s***s the bed again. He needs to sit. He's cost us three games in a row now.


That's not true.  Giving up 2 goals in 60 minutes, you should reasonably expect to be able to pull out a win.... you know... every once in a while.


That said, why don't we just put a cardboard cutout in net during shootouts if that's what we're going to get from an actual goaltender.


Also, all forwards not on the 1st line need to hang their heads in collective shame.  They are an embarrassment.

#2452183 Datsyuk and Zetterberg Moving Up Statistically

Posted by barabbas16 on 08 November 2013 - 05:10 PM

Anyone who was monitoring the situation would have easily predicted this would happen, but I thought it was worth of mentioning anyway (I'm not sure if something like this has been posted previously or recently, but I didn't remember seeing anything on it.).....


Pavel Datsyuk began the season ranked 10th in career NHL scoring among Russian players with 767 points.  He has since passed Sergei Zubov, Sergei Gonchar, Pavel Bure, and Alexei Yashin to move up to 6th place with 785 points.  And, he is 31 points behind Ilya Kovalchuk (5th) and 68 points behind Slava Kozlov (4th).


Player        GP         P

Fedorov    1248    1179

Mogilny       990    1032

Kovalev     1316    1029

Kozlov        1182     853

Kovalchuk    816     816

Datsyuk        796    785

Yashin          850    781

Bure             702    779

Gonchar     1193    777

Zubov         1068    771

Ovechkin      615    754


Pav shouldn't have any problems passing Kovalchuk (since he was kind enough to "retire") this season.... but he'll have to finish with slightly better than a point per game (and stay healthy) to pass Kozlov this year.  What are the chances he'll do it?  And, where will he end up on this list when he's finished with the NHL?


Also of note, Henrik Zetterberg began the season 13th overall in career NHL points for Swedish players with 672.  He's passed Nichael Nylander and Kent Nilsson into 11th thus far this season with 690 points now.


Player          GP       P

Sundin       1346   1349

Lidstrom     1564   1142

Alfredsson  1195   1121

Forsberg      708     885

Naslund      1117     869

Sandstrom    983     856

T. Steen       950     817

H. Sedin       958     812

Salming      1148     787

D. Sedin       924     775

Zetterberg    731     690


It is unrealistic to expect that Zetterberg will pass anyone else this season.  So, the only question here is - Where will Z end up on this list?

#2451992 11/7 GDT: Stars 4 at Red Wings 3 (OT)

Posted by barabbas16 on 07 November 2013 - 10:21 PM

I decided to check in just to make sure that Justin Abdelkader was sufficiently getting ripped a new one by the board collectively.  I don't think you guys are doing a good enough job of it so I decided to help out.  I don't care one way or the other whether you think the call should or shouldn't have been made.  It was a position that you do not put yourself in when your team is up a goal with less than three minutes left.  You make the possibility that you might COMPLETELY blast the opposing team's goaltender as small as possible.  Abdelkader was an epic failure in his decision making there and lost the game for his team, imo.  What a moron.

#2443534 10/12 GDT: Flyers 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by barabbas16 on 12 October 2013 - 01:25 PM


4th line duties are way different compared to what Tatar used to do in GR and should be doing now with DRW. Put Zetter with Miller and Emmerton and the results will be the same. 


4th line duties are clearly much different than top line duties.


What role Tatar should be doing now with the Wings is somewhat up for debate, but ok.


Your second sentence, however, is totally inaccurate in my opinion.  Zetterberg is so much more of a complete player than Tatar is.  The results would be anything but the same.

#2443352 10/10 GDT: Coyotes 4 at Red Wings 2

Posted by barabbas16 on 11 October 2013 - 11:04 AM

1. Last night we were exposed by a brilliant, ballsy coach and a hungry, disciplined team. Tippett realized our blue line is actually garbage in its own zone, so he "pinch shifted" his entire team forward, putting our young, bumbling D under extreme pressure and duress, and, in turn, completely stunting our attack. I call this strategy "salting the earth." Kill the the ground, the soil, the ultimate foundation...and nothing will grow. It was incredible to see. We can only hope other teams don't try the same thing, because if they do, we're screwed.
2. Smith and Quincey may be the worst pairing in the league. One of them needs to sit for a game or two or three or four hundred. Brutal. Terrible. Garbage.
3. We have so many borderline useless fourth-line scrubs on this team. Get off your lazy ass, Holland, and do whatever it takes to get Nyquist back in this lineup ASAP. At the very least, we're sorely missing his speed.
4. Babs needs to get over his fear/hatred of kids. Play Tatar, let him run wild on a new Kids Line with Nyquist and Andersson.
5. Through four games we've played, like, 40 good minutes, if that. Wonderful.

1. They will and they should. There's no getting around that we're green on the back end, but the only way to fix that is with experience. The more they get tested now, the better they'll be at the end of the season. Well, either that or we'll know we need to acquire a steady vet on D for the postseason, I guess.

2. Seems like it is mostly Smith to me. He has been the worst D-Man thus far in my opinion. I'm not ready to sell Smith stock yet, but Quincey hasn't looked nearly as bad.

3 and 4, I'm starting to get on board with the youth movement. I definitely think Tatar should be playing. I don't care if a different guy sits for him every game. There are enough...we'll say 'grizzled veterans'... on this team that would probably be better off if they sat some games anyway. Plus, it's not like the current line combos or power play units are exactly working well enough that you wouldn't want to break them up. I'm afraid Nyquist playing will require more injuries, though. I'd also like to see Tootoo playing soon.... and I'm not a big Tootoo guy, but maybe he'll wake some people up.

5. Yeah.... I still feel optomistic that it will get better. At least we've only lost one game that we really should have won (on paper).

#2442053 Nyquist taking things in stride, with class

Posted by barabbas16 on 05 October 2013 - 09:40 AM

But then if anyone who would consider trading for Sammy saw the rest of the game, they would notice that he was a slow old derp that hung out way too high in the offensive zone while his line mated did all the board work.  He did one thing right and got a mildly lucky goal out of it and aside from that looked like an old man afraid to muck it up to build the lead.


I think I'd move a little further away if that was going on too.

#2437504 Devils sign Brunner 2 yrs. $2.5 million AAV

Posted by barabbas16 on 18 September 2013 - 08:05 PM

You can keep your modano and Alfie and over 40 team. Enjoy one decent year and then having no one. I'll take A take a team with a really good balance of youth and experience. Not having Alfie Sammy and cleary and having Tatar Nyquist and Brunner helps us RIGHT NOW and in the future.

Youre being to short sighted.

The best we could've done this year with NO TRADES.

Would be a team like:

Z DAT Abby
Franzen Weiss Nyquist or Brunner
Tatar Anderson Nyquist or Brunner
Eaves emmerton(helm IF healthy) tuzzi

Still lacking size but we are anyways with the crap we do have. This allows us to see what Tatar and Nyquist can give us. It allows us to see if they can be stars or not instead they're hurried in the minors.

And only an idiot would say "Alfie gives us more leadership". HOW MUCH EXERPEINCE AND LEADERSHIP DO WE ALL READY HAVE?!?!?!? HOW WILL TATAR AND NYQYIST GET MORE EXPERIENCE THAT THE NEED?!?!? wish people would think....end rant.


1. That's fine.  We'll keep the team that signed an over 40 Modano and Alfredsson.  You're more than welcome to cheer for someone else.


2.  Actually, an idiot would say "And only an idiot would say 'Alfie gives us more leadership'," because Alfie does give us more leadership.  He was the captain in Ottawa for like 13 seasons.  It is a true statement.  Whether the Wings needed more leadership or not, he provides more.  There's nothing idiotic about truth.


3.  Just because people don't think the way you do does not mean they are not thinking.

#2434185 Capitals sign Grabovski (1 year deal)

Posted by barabbas16 on 26 August 2013 - 05:13 PM

got rid of semin so they needed another lazy forward


I was under the impression that Grabovski had shed the 'lazy' tag a couple of season back.  Plus, Grabovski is making less than 1) the Caps' now 3rd line center, Laich... who, I believe was supposed to become their 2nd line center at some point... and 2) their 2nd line center from last season, Ribeiro - less than he was making and less than he will be making.  Significantly less in both cases.  And, only a one year deal.  Very minimal risk and potentially high reward.  Grabovski is, in my opinion, an above average 2nd line center.... $3 million for 1 year?  Solid signing and I'm jealous of it, honestly.

#2434043 NHL Network 1995 Final VS NJ 12-3pm EST Today

Posted by barabbas16 on 24 August 2013 - 12:48 PM

Still a heartbreaker but he didn't shoot it into his chest. MAF made an athletic save. There wasn't much net to look at.



Ah yes..... if only the newer (garbage) playoff model of MAF had come along a little bit sooner....

#2434039 Samuelsson: IR to All-Star?

Posted by barabbas16 on 24 August 2013 - 12:44 PM

I had no problem with Sammy's first stint with the Wings. It was how he left and the way he acted when he did. If I recall, he was kind of nasty and bitter about the whole thing, not being offered a deal. He was equally unpleasant when he wasn't put on the Swedish Olympic team. Also, if the rumors that he was going to dispute an attempted buyout are accurate, that really hasn't endeared him to me either. With is injury situation, Babcock has seemed to be a bit frustrated with him, along the lines of maybe not believing he's injured or as seriously injured as he says. Just an impression, no direct quotes from Babs.

But this one's all on Holland. I see what his thinking was as far as having a guy on the second unit of the PP play the point with the loss of Lidstrom. But no way in hell was he worth a two year, 6m, NTC deal. I just don't think there was that much of a market for him.


You don't recall correctly.  If I'm wrong, please post a link with Samuelsson's nasty quotes about Detroit from that time period.  Seriously, has the Samuelsson hate gotten to the point now where we're going to make up bad stories about him that never happened?  Or is the hatred just so blinding that we don't really remember and just assume everything associated with Samuelsson was negative and terrible?

#2431122 Did we let one get away?

Posted by barabbas16 on 22 July 2013 - 08:59 AM

Yes... That's exactly what I'm basing it on... Did you not read anything else in this post and just come to the conclusion that I am basing my opinion solely on this shootout goal? I could care less about the move he pulled off in the shootout. I have been saying ever since the team failed to sign him a couple months ago that I thought they would end up regreting it. The point is, there were so many other options they could have let go and given this kid a shot.
How does one not see the upside and potential to a 20 year kid that has been improving every step of the way to a 22/23+ year old that has showed little to no upside... I would prefer to keep a kid out of junior that has the potential to become an NHLer rather than keep a career AHLer / ECHLer...

You are entitled to your opinion. I would definitely agrue with your wording in one spot. I would say that the team "chose not to sign" rather than "failed to sign." And, that would be a decision that was made by people that have more than likely seen Quine a hell of a lot more than you have (unless you are his dad or something) and are way more in the know about what the organization needs/doesn't need at the moment. Career AHL players have their roles in organizations as well... just look at last year's Calder Cup winning Grand Rapids Griffins roster.