KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 (edited) I know its a little bit early ... but i was thinking about it and it really got me excited lol ... what would you guys do in this years off season considering the playoffs went good every player performed good but just wasnt enough to win the cup ... what would you guys do ... I would let Lang Maltby Schneider ( Frees up 8.2 in cap) Kopecky can do what Maltby is doing ... We have Alot of D prospects to replace Schneider ... Hudler or Flip could perform as or better then lang for cheaper + Kronner Lebda will step up Next years wings cap currently is 23 million with 12 players signed I would also try to get rid of Lilja Free up an xtra mil ... trade him or cut him ... Re-Sign Hudler Kopecky Chelios (Cheaper then 1.5 million) I would also re-sign Datsyuk (4 to 5 mil) 2-3 years Bertuzzi (4 to 5 mil) 5 years GRIT yes i love this guy and i think ... he can help us out every year specially in playoffs Markov (2.5) 1 year CAN BE GRITIER Calder (2.5) 2 years ACCORDING TO HOLLAND GRIT Total of 15 million for 4 players ... considering datsyuk and bertuzzi both signed for 5 million 15+23= 38 million Call up howard so he can backup Osgood for a year if hasek dont return for the same price or a bit more but just a bit more Considering we signed every1 we should be @ 40-42 million cap ... and lets not forget the cap is going up to 47 .... that would leave us approx 5-6-7 mill under the cap ... That would leave me with these lines: Zetterberg Datsyuk Holmstrom Calder Filppula Bertuzzi Cleary Hudler Samuelsson Franzen Draper Kopecky Lidstrom Kronwall Markov Lebda Chelios Quincey/Kindl you guys think its good or ...? i got the numbers for the cap from www.nhlnumbers.com Edited March 1, 2007 by KrazyGangsta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 definently are goin to shop for a goalie .. howard was claimed by bosten anyway .. scheinds is worth resigning for defensive depth .. im with you when you say cut the fat with lang and malts .. with the potential ufas out there this summer we could grab someone way more productive then those 2 .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msandalis 0 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 I like where you are going but a couple of points. Schneider could stay as I think he compliments the team really well. We could be in the market for a #1 goalie and have Howard be the backup - if not keep Ozzie and Howard to back up like you said, but I love what Hasek did for us this year, but tough to say that I want him back again even for the same money. And if you could sign Schneider why not as most teams would trade for him later and no guarantees with good defensemen - they are hard to find. I really hope that Datsuk and his agent are reasonable and do not push for a stupid number like 6 million or something....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 KrazyGangsta I like your lines for next year. I'm all for letting Lang, Schneider, and Maltby go. I really can't add or take away from what you have said. I hope Datsyuk is willing to make $4-5 million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winged Scooter 0 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 definently are goin to shop for a goalie .. howard was claimed by bosten anyway .. scheinds is worth resigning for defensive depth .. im with you when you say cut the fat with lang and malts .. with the potential ufas out there this summer we could grab someone way more productive then those 2 .. Wait a minute!!! Howard is with Boston? Not Grand Rapids? WTF??? What did I miss??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 Wait a minute!!! Howard is with Boston? Not Grand Rapids? WTF??? What did I miss??? He's confusing Howard for Joey Mac. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 (edited) I wouldnt mind signing schneider ... its just for the cap ... and yep ... well if chelios deosnt come back why not ... wouldnt want 2 rookies in D Edited March 1, 2007 by KrazyGangsta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ich_Tarne_Eimer 0 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 Sounds good... but sure, lets see how bert is doing with his injury... only sign him, if he stays healthy, would i say..or i am wrong? well, but i have one question. What is with Chelios? Will he play another season? Has he said something about it rigt now? I am from germany and have no possibilty to watch a lot of games in tv to get all the informations and i am to lazy to read every article about the wingsin the net ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 Currently signed for 07-08: Zetterberg 2.65m Holmstrom 2.25m Draper 2.128m Samuelsson 1.2m Franzen 942k Filppula 710k Cleary 663k Lidstrom 7.6m Kronwall 3m Lilja 1m Lebda 650k Osgood 850k That leaves about 20.35m to sign six forwards, three defensemen, a goalie, and maybe one more skater if the cap doesn't go up. The number being tossed about as the likely cap figure next year is 47m, so we'll assume that we have 23.35m in cap space. Hudler and Kopecky will likely be resigned for around 600k each. Markov returns for ~2.75m. Howard makes 733k, assume for argument Liv signs a comparable deal (to avoid the Howard vs Liv posts) Figure Datsyuk signs for about 5.5m. Assume Chelios resigns for another 850k. Assume we get a 13th forward to be named later for 500k. This cuts our available cap space down to about 11.8m, which needs to be used at minimum for two more forwards and one more defensemen. Bertuzzi, Calder, Lang, Schneider are notable UFAs I haven't addressed. As we're assuming Datsyuk signs, that means Lang is definitely gone. The only chance he had to stay around was Datsyuk hitting the market or Hudler/Filppula being traded. Schneider could probably be resigned for about 3m. Bertuzzi could probably be resigned for about 5.5m if he makes a difference in the playoffs. If he blows ass, he's likely gone. Calder could probably be resigned for about 2m. We'll assume, for the sake of discussion, that this year's team does well enough in the postseason. That totals up to 10.5m. Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Holmstrom--Best line in hockey. What we have now. Hudler/Filppula/Bertuzzi--Should be a very effective line--it's constructed just like line 1. Franzen/Draper/Cleary--Quick, physical checking line that has scoring ability. Calder/Kopecky/Samuelsson--Physical fourth line that can score and play D. Lidstrom/Markov--What we have now. Schneider/Kronwall--What we have now. Lebda/Chelios--What we have now. Lilja--What we have now. Osgood--Proven starter who has won it all. Howard/Liv--Solid young goalie capable of stepping in if needed. No, this roster won't see the splash at the deadline. But if, as was assumed for discussion, this year's team goes deep...then no splash will likely be needed to contend again next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 (edited) Sounds good... but sure, lets see how bert is doing with his injury... only sign him, if he stays healthy, would i say..or i am wrong? well, but i have one question. What is with Chelios? Will he play another season? Has he said something about it rigt now? I am from germany and have no possibilty to watch a lot of games in tv to get all the informations and i am to lazy to read every article about the wingsin the net ... well if even he deosnt return this year wich i would be so sad ... i think the wings would re-sign him next season ... i dont think they sent away drafts and a prospect for a player just to watch the games in detroit ... and i really do think were going to re sign him ... well chelios i dont see any reason for him to leave ... his still playing good and i havent heard any info from him if he will come back or not ... but i think he will just to play with bert:P zero ... its 22 million that they will have to spend next season ... and lets hope that ... lilja leaves retires or gets traded so we can have xtra 1 mil Edited March 1, 2007 by KrazyGangsta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 Figure Datsyuk signs for about 5.5m. Now if only you can convince Greenstin of that, we're in business. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 (edited) The max i would give to a player like datsyuk is 6 ... not a penny more ya he is good ... but his no thornton jagr .... Edited March 1, 2007 by KrazyGangsta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 Great post KrazyGangsta. I like your thinking. I'm assuming $2.5 is the amount Calder will be signed for each year? Because I think we could sign him for about $1.5 to be honest which would free up a little more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 Great post KrazyGangsta. I like your thinking. I'm assuming $2.5 is the amount Calder will be signed for each year? Because I think we could sign him for about $1.5 to be honest which would free up a little more. Thanks ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 Osgood--Proven starter who has won it all. Howard/Liv--Solid young goalie capable of stepping in if needed. Great post, the only query I have is over the goaltenders. Surely Hasek will be back, or do you think he will retire? And I have very little faith that Liv will ever play in the NHL, let alone next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 I think we should start grooming howard in the nhl level ... chances are not next year but the year after he will be starter... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 (edited) zero ... its 22 million that they will have to spend next season ... and lets hope that ... lilja leaves retires or gets traded so we can have xtra 1 mil http://www.redwingscentral.com/features/orgchart.html Assuming this season's cap of 44m, the Wings have just over 20m free. As I said in my post, 47m is the number I have heard tossed around. That makes it just over 23m free. Great post, the only query I have is over the goaltenders. Surely Hasek will be back, or do you think he will retire? And I have very little faith that Liv will ever play in the NHL, let alone next season. I expect Hasek to retire. If not, there's still 1.3m left (minus bonuses) to sign him on top of the 733k currently slated for the backup. If Howard is supposed to be our future star goaltender, Liv must be pretty good. Liv has played almost as well as Howard in Grand Rapids despite it being his first season in North America--typically European goaltenders have some trouble adjusting in their first year over. If Howard looks to need more time in the AHL, Liv will be the backup next season. They don't want to rush Howard, and Liv is more mature and ready to take on NHL pressure simply from being and older and more experienced goaltender. And I thought I said I was trying to avoid this discussion? LOL Edited March 1, 2007 by eva unit zero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 i know but look @ this http://www.nhlnumbers.com/ it says we have 23 million in cap with 12 players for next year ... and they havent tooken consideration that the cap will be up by 3 million Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 i know but look @ this http://www.nhlnumbers.com/ it says we have 23 million in cap with 12 players for next year ... and they havent tooken consideration that the cap will be up by 3 million The total salary for 07-08 listed there is close to what is listed at RWC. nhlnumbers doesn't have 'available cap' posted for next season, so I'm not sure how they can't have taken it into consideration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 I expect Hasek to retire. If not, there's still 1.3m left (minus bonuses) to sign him on top of the 733k currently slated for the backup. If Howard is supposed to be our future star goaltender, Liv must be pretty good. Liv has played almost as well as Howard in Grand Rapids despite it being his first season in North America--typically European goaltenders have some trouble adjusting in their first year over. If Howard looks to need more time in the AHL, Liv will be the backup next season. They don't want to rush Howard, and Liv is more mature and ready to take on NHL pressure simply from being and older and more experienced goaltender. And I thought I said I was trying to avoid this discussion? LOL Yes you did, my bad. Howard has been pretty good this season though, and he was really getting a good rhythm going before he got injured. Liv was sent down to the ECHL, so on that alone I would say Howard has clearly been the more impressive goalie. But that’s enough of the Howard/Liv debate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 (edited) you think liv would every be as good as kipper giguerre etc... or more of a osgood fernandez type of goalies ... what i mean by that is a goalie that can play good with or without a good team or a goalie that can only be good with a good team in front ... i have never watched a game of liv so i have no idea about this kid ... just read some stuff on this forum ... Edited March 1, 2007 by KrazyGangsta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winged Scooter 0 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 He's confusing Howard for Joey Mac. Phew! That's a relief.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 you think liv would every be as good as kipper giguerre etc... or more of a osgood fernandez type of goalies ... what i mean by that is a goalie that can play good with or without a good team or a goalie that can only be good with a good team in front ... i have never watched a game of liv so i have no idea about this kid ... just read some stuff on this forum ... Liv won't be a top notch goalie. That said...Giguere's best seasons have come on a very good defensive team. Seasons his team has not been as good defensively, his numbers have suffered. Osgood had one of his best seasons on a terrible Blues team, and another good year on a terrible Islanders team. Kiprusoff was horrific in San Jose, and during his time in Calgary they have had one of the league's best defensive teams...so I'm not really sure where you're going with that. Fernandez is the only one you seem to have labeled correctly, and then only because he has never been on a bad defensive team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteLightning91 105 Report post Posted March 1, 2007 This is how I wanna see it next year... Grigorenko - Datsyuk - Bertuzzi UFA - Zetterberg(2.7) - Holmstrom(2.25) Hudler - Filppula(850K) - Kopecky Franzen(900K) - Draper(2.128) - Cleary(675K) (Samuelsson(1.2)) Lidstrom(7.6) - Kronwall(1.5) Kindl - Markov Lebda(550K) - Chelios (Lilja(1.0)) I'm not gonna get into goalies for now. All I know is that Ozzy is signed for next year at 800K. I just do not see Robert Lang wanting to re-sign here. He could be a #1 center on many other teams and is nearing the end of his career. Why spend the last couple years on a 3rd line when you can be on the #1 elsewhere? I do not think we will re-sign Maltby. He is not what he used to be and is showing that he has lost a step since the lockout. He is still a great PK'er but with guys like Draper/Franzen/Cleary/Kopecky/Datsyuk/Zetterberg able to kill penalties, he is unfortunately replaceable. Samuelsson is going to have to make a pretty good case in the playoffs this year to prove to me why we should put him in the line-up instead of Kopecky. I wanna see what Kopecky can do and he was really growing on me before his injury. I think with more confidence he could be a decent physical player for us. Needs to add a few pounds still. On defense I hope to see Chelios and Markov back again. Chelios really has proven he is still very much able to play. I wanna see Kindl in the line-up as well. They said he almost made it out of camp this year but with Lebda and Lilja already on the squad, there was no place to put him. He is having himself a damn fine year and has proven to be looked at as a big part of the future of this team. Evidence would be the fact that he was a definite No-No when it came to any trades this year. I would like to see another winger signed by us in the offseason as well as Bertuzzi. Preferably another physical/power forward type. (In no order) Scott Hartnell, Jamal Mayers, Todd Fedoruk or Ruslan Fedotenko are the kind I wanna see. If Chelios decides to call it a career, I wanna see a big/physical defenseman take his spot. Preferably Sheldon Souray, Chris Phillips or Cory Sarich. Not knowing what the cap will be next year makes it difficult to put salaries to each player we would sign. We have approx. $22.153M spent on 12 players next season. We could really be a solid team if we get one more big/physical forward and defenseman. Goaltending is going to be the only question mark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zburg40 0 Report post Posted March 7, 2007 Detroit Red Wings NHL Age '06-07 '07-08 '08-09 '09-10 '10-11 '11-12 '12-13 Nicklas Lidstrom, D 37 7,600 7,600 Todd Bertuzzi, RW 32 5,269 5,269 5,269 5,269 5,269 Pavel Datsyuk, C 28 3,900 4,250 4,250 4,250 Robert Lang, C 36 3,800 3,400 Mathieu Schneider, D 38 3,300 3,000 Kyle Calder, LW 28 2,950 2,850 Henrik Zetterberg, C 26 2,600 2,700 2,900 Danny Markov, D 30 2,500 2,500 Kris Draper, C 36 2,128 2,128 Tomas Holmstrom, RW 34 1,501 2,500 2,500 2,500 Jiri Fischer, D 26 1,444 Kirk Maltby, LW 34 1,368 1,200 Mikael Samuelsson, RW 30 1,200 1,200 1,200 Niklas Kronwall, D 26 1,140 3,000 3,000 3,000 3,000 3,000 3000 Andreas Lilja, D 31 1,000 1,000 Chris Osgood, G 34 900 800 Chris Chelios, D 45 850 750 Johan Franzen, LW 27 775 900 1,150 Dominik Hasek, G 42 750 750 Valtteri Filppula, C 23 710 850 Daniel Cleary, C 28 650 675 Brett Lebda, D 25 550 550 650 850 Jiri Hudler, RW 23 525 600 600 600 Josh Langfeld, RW 29 525 600 Matt Ellis, LW 25 450 450 Tomas Kopecky, LW 25 450 450 Matt Hussey, C 28 450 450 47,472,000 Total If we sign everybody Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
