ProudestMonkey 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 wings would have 1st...because nsh will have played one more game Touché...I was quick to jump the gun on that one. See you on Tuesday! hey, the preds are completely invincible now that they have forsberg. wait...never mind Just wondering...how did that goal by Forsberg in OT feel? Oh and your GM did a swell job picking up a criminal who has been injured all year. 1 goal and 6 assists in 7 games is excellent...don't get me wrong. Too bad those 7 games were the only ones he's played all year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 dang. coming on here and trashing the Wings and their trades. i really hope the Wings and Preds meet up in the play-offs. how sweet it would be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
predeuce777 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Will Hasek be back for the game tomorrow, or will it be Osgood again? Either way, it will be a barnburner! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drsingle 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) The Preds are so small, but they're fast. The Ducks are brutalizing them physically. It's like watching a Red Wings game where Detroit is just getting manhandled all over the ice. The Preds are missing a few key guys with injuries, but man, they're in almost the same tough situation the Wings are come playoff time. The Wings are worse off because at least the Preds have some toughness. But a big team will just pound the sh** out of Nashville in a 7 game series and they'll have to win with speed and skill. And goaltending, of course. Vokoun has been playing great in this game. BM, you're right in that a team as physical as Anaheim, and to some degree San Jose, can be a problem to a team like Nashville in a seven game series. However I don't believe the Preds are in the same position as the Wings because the two teams just play two different styles. Nashville's style is to push the puck and turn the game into a transition game. They are not a puck possession team in any way, shape, form, or fashion. Detroit, on the other hand, is one of the best puck possession teams in the league- which is really amazing when one considers that Detroit doesn't have the size of a San Jose to pull that off. Nashville's style has a couple of affects. First, since they are not a puck possession team, they don't possess the puck for great lengths of time and generally spend more time in their own zone which means they are typically outshot. Secondly, the more time your in your own zone the more "on the back of your heels" you play making you prone to the big hit by aggressive teams like Anaheim. Against Anaheim, Nashville was without Forsberg, Legwand, Sullivan, Arnott, and Hartnell. Any team missing five of their six best forwards is going to struggle. Obviously, that's a lot of firepower. More importantly, however, is that Forsberg, Legwand, and Sullivan (along with Kariya) are our four best playmakers and the key to our transition game. We inserted guys that haven't played an NHL game at all and one that hasn't played with the Predators. That took away our transition game and made us a puck possession team- something this team isn't very successful at. In other words, it wasn't the injuries per se, but who was injured and that it crossed all three scoring lines that was the problem. When we can play our transition game, we do not generally get manhandled. With the exception of Hartnell's broken foot, the team hasn't given the impression the other injuries are serious (Arnott is the flu). If we are reasonably healthy, I'm not too worried about being manhandled by any team. Of course, being at where we are in the season, the team is obviously keeping injuries close to the vest, so who knows? I'm pretty happy that we got a point actually. I thought that was pretty impressive- particularly on Vokoun's part (shootout notwithstanding). On the road, the second night of a back-to-back, and missing five of your six best forwards? Not too bad. David Edited March 5, 2007 by drsingle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theman19 47 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 you know david, i really don't mind you on this board, your not a troll and you speak intellgently and unbaised. It's refreshing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Sounds like tomorrow's Admirals/Griffins game oughta be a barn burner for sure... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drsingle 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 you know david, i really don't mind you on this board, your not a troll and you speak intellgently and unbaised. It's refreshing Well, I'm not entirely unbiased , but I appreciate the compliment. I always enjoy good hockey conversations, regardless of where on the internet they occur. David Sounds like tomorrow's Admirals/Griffins game oughta be a barn burner for sure... No doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Oh and your GM did a swell job picking up a criminal who has been injured all year. 1 goal and 6 assists in 7 games is excellent...don't get me wrong. Too bad those 7 games were the only ones he's played all year. At least our GM was smart enough not to sell the farm like you did for Floppa, who doesn't scare anyone in his current condition. Even if Bert is a total bust, we lost basically nothing in the deal. And if you call Bert a criminal, you're just bitter because when he gets into shape again, he's gonna lay out a few of your "tough guys" pretty nicely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drsingle 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Oh and your GM did a swell job picking up a criminal who has been injured all year. 1 goal and 6 assists in 7 games is excellent...don't get me wrong. Too bad those 7 games were the only ones he's played all year. At least our GM was smart enough not to sell the farm like you did for Floppa, who doesn't scare anyone in his current condition. Even if Bert is a total bust, we lost basically nothing in the deal. And if you call Bert a criminal, you're just bitter because when he gets into shape again, he's gonna lay out a few of your "tough guys" pretty nicely. As I mentioned in the Farber thread, the acquisitions made by these two teams were the biggest gambles of all the trades made that day by our brethren. Both teams acquired players that filled their needs with Forsberg, Vitaly, Bert, and Calder. However, there's a big question surrounding the health of both Forsberg and Bert. As I have also previously mentioned, Nashville did, by no means, sell the farm. Obviously, Detroit didn't give up squat for Bert either. So, what happens if neither pan out? Not much. Both teams were impressive prior to the moves made, and should continue to be impressive. While one can question the character of Bert if one chooses, it's hard to throw stones at the Preds for obtaining Forsberg or to throw stones at the Wings for obtaining Bert based upon what those moves bring to the ice. Both moves are equal in their potential to bring nothing to the ice. David Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 So has anyone mentioned, why was Floppa out? I'm guessing it's listed as some sort of undisclosed injury, but just curious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drsingle 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 So has anyone mentioned, why was Floppa out? I'm guessing it's listed as some sort of undisclosed injury, but just curious. "Upper body injury" David Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 As I mentioned in the Farber thread, the acquisitions made by these two teams were the biggest gambles of all the trades made that day by our brethren. Both teams acquired players that filled their needs with Forsberg, Vitaly, Bert, and Calder. However, there's a big question surrounding the health of both Forsberg and Bert. As I have also previously mentioned, Nashville did, by no means, sell the farm. Obviously, Detroit didn't give up squat for Bert either. So, what happens if neither pan out? Not much. Both teams were impressive prior to the moves made, and should continue to be impressive. While one can question the character of Bert if one chooses, it's hard to throw stones at the Preds for obtaining Forsberg or to throw stones at the Wings for obtaining Bert based upon what those moves bring to the ice. Both moves are equal in their potential to bring nothing to the ice. David Fair enough, this is a typically likeable post from you. But, even if you hadn't sold the farm Nashville gave up quite a bit more than Detroit. It remains to be seen who gets the best return on their investment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsfan31 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Hmmm, Foppa out with the ol' "upper body injury". I'd love to know more but the Preds would be fools to disclose particulars. Interesting that all these top players from both teams are developing these mystery injuries right before these two teams get set to see each other four times in a short period of time. I almost think Babcock and Trotz are ensuring their top guys don't get injured in these emotional and physical games heading into the post season. As deep as the West is this year, finishing 1st or 4th really won't change the fact you'll be facing a top opponent in the 1st round, so positioning in the Central is not as important as it has been in past years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 When we can play our transition game, we do not generally get manhandled. Maybe not in the regular season, but I wouldn't want to ice a small team in a playoff series. I'm not just talking about absorbing hits, it's the prospect of having to fight through a tight checking defense and creating some space. Detroit and Nashville both look like early round playoff fodder to me. your GM did a swell job Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) As I mentioned in the Farber thread, the acquisitions made by these two teams were the biggest gambles of all the trades made that day by our brethren. Both teams acquired players that filled their needs with Forsberg, Vitaly, Bert, and Calder. However, there's a big question surrounding the health of both Forsberg and Bert. As I have also previously mentioned, Nashville did, by no means, sell the farm. Obviously, Detroit didn't give up squat for Bert either. So, what happens if neither pan out? Not much. Both teams were impressive prior to the moves made, and should continue to be impressive. While one can question the character of Bert if one chooses, it's hard to throw stones at the Preds for obtaining Forsberg or to throw stones at the Wings for obtaining Bert based upon what those moves bring to the ice. Both moves are equal in their potential to bring nothing to the ice. David You don't think they gave up a lot? I've always thought Upshall could eventually become a pretty good power forward, and Ryan Parent is looking to be a solid defenseman. Oh well, I guess it's how you look at things. Sounds like tomorrow's Admirals/Griffins game oughta be a barn burner for sure... Good one! Edited March 5, 2007 by Kp-Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Why the hell was the crowd booing Kariya everytime he touched the puck? I know he was a Duck for a looong time and helped build that franchise. I don't remember any bad blood when he left to go to the Avs. What up? esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Why the hell was the crowd booing Kariya everytime he touched the puck? I know he was a Duck for a looong time and helped build that franchise. I don't remember any bad blood when he left to go to the Avs. What up? esteef I'm pretty sure he turned down a lot more money from the Ducks to go to the Avs, saying he thought he had the best chance at the Cup with Colorado. And I think this was the year right after the Ducks made it to the finals. Considering how Wings fans treat Fedorov, it's not surprising they still boo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drsingle 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 You don't think they gave up a lot? I've always thought Upshall could eventually become a pretty good power forward, and Ryan Parent is looking to be a solid defenseman. Oh well, I guess it's how you look at things. I don't disagree regarding Parent at all. However, this team has Hamhuis, Weber, and Suter already playing along with Zidlicky locked up for three more seasons- not to mention Klein and Cody Franson in the pipeline. They would also like to re-sign Kimmo (of course, they would also like to re-sign Kariya, Forsberg, and Hartnell too). With the defensive prospects we have, and the overall youth of our blueline in general, some defensive prospect was eventually going to be traded. It happened to be Parent. Since it was a position of strength, it wasn't a big deal to the Predators. I don't think Upshall would ever be a power forward, but he could most definitely become the next Scotty Walker. The only problem was that we had a top nine he couldn't crack. I wish Upshall well, and in fact believe he will do well with more ice time. It was obvious, though, that he wasn't going to get that ice time in Nashville. Again, another position of strength for Nashville. All teams aren't equal in terms of draft picks or strengths (current roster or the farm). In this trade, Nashville had plenty of strength on the wings and with their defensive prospects. The draft picks would be extremely late in an overall weak crop. This made for a trade that, even if Forsberg can't stay fairly healthy, shouldn't have much, if any, effect on the future. Without time to develop, Upshall or Parent will never be able to reach their potential. Upshall definitely would not have been given that time in Nashville, and Parent may not have either. David Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Why the hell was the crowd booing Kariya everytime he touched the puck? I know he was a Duck for a looong time and helped build that franchise. I don't remember any bad blood when he left to go to the Avs. What up? esteef I know Ducks fans who didn't like him even when he played on their team. He's just not one of the more likeable players in the league. He's such a little queen. He's not as annoying as Maltby, but he's pretty annoying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 I'm pretty sure he turned down a lot more money from the Ducks to go to the Avs, saying he thought he had the best chance at the Cup with Colorado. And I think this was the year right after the Ducks made it to the finals. Considering how Wings fans treat Fedorov, it's not surprising they still boo. So many players get booed now it's hard to keep track of all the stories. peace, esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drsingle 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) Maybe not in the regular season, but I wouldn't want to ice a small team in a playoff series. I'm not just talking about absorbing hits, it's the prospect of having to fight through a tight checking defense and creating some space. Detroit and Nashville both look like early round playoff fodder to me. If the games are officated consistently- regular season through the playoffs, I'm not too worried (again if reasonably healthy). We were manhandled last season by San Jose down the middle. With Arnott and Forsberg, that hasn't been an issue this year. Really, the only guys that are weak on the puck are Kariya, Sulilvan, Radulov, and to a lesser degree Legwand. Erat is extremely strong on the puck as is Dumont and Hartnell. Hopefully the Preds did enough to address that issue, but only time will tell. I'm more concerned with the talented, but inexperienced blueline. David Edited March 5, 2007 by drsingle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 David, The Preds addressing the size up the middle with Arnott was a great move, IMO. Smallish centers have historically had trouble in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Well, some of them anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
