Wings goalie situation

[FinWing 26]

Well Hasek sure did blow that game last night.... i love i when he lays on his back and trys to play goalie

Sure, he's the reason why we lost.

[interminded 1]

Despite eva's well-documented love of Jim Carey, he feels someone else lays claim to his one Vezina win.

Well, I have to agree.

(Big suprise...)

[Guest Crymson]

Well Hasek sure did blow that game last night.... i love i when he lays on his back and trys to play goalie

Goalies do this frequently. Belfour was scored on-- a BIG goal--in the 1998 WCF because he tried that very thing.

Of course, Hasek made dozens of other great saves. Do those matter?

Seems like all that stuff you say about not being overly negative and exaggerating a player's faults pretty much goes out the window for you when it comes to Ozzy.

I'll admit I'm pretty hard on Ozzie, and that it does go against my philosophy. I'm in the process of trying to figure out why I do this.

HOWEVER--all I was saying was that Ozzie HAS let in playoff goals from center ice which could be confused with the Cloutier gaffe; the goal by Langenbrunner is probably what they were thinking of.

And the only goaltender since Roger Crozier in 1965 to be the league's best netminder in a given season while wearing the Wings jersey.

I believe you're talking about '95-'96, and it seems you've forgotten our other goaltender, who was given the Vezina that year. Osgood's stats were better, but he was playing behind an all-star team while Hasek was almost singlehandedly carrying the Sabres. Sure, Hasek didn't win the Vezina that year--but he was sure as hell a close second.

[poxer 0]

Hasek is not the reason why we lost the game last night, he is more of the reason why we were still in the game. That save on Iginla last night in the first period with 8 mins left was just amazing.

[gcom007 1,465]

Could it be that those of us who like Osgood have developed an affinity for him because we actually think he's a good goalie? I mean, sure he seems like a good guy off the ice, but there's a bit more to it than that. I'm hardly saying he's the best, but I'd have no problem with Ozzie starting ever. He should've started in the playoffs last year...things likely would've ended differently. The guy came off a year off and hasn't been given a lot of starts...part of it is the injuries, but again, I'd put him in any game. I don't doubt that he'll get his shot again soon enough. Call it a hunch.

I'm not scared at all for Hasek to go down. Osgood's not the best but he's far, far better than average and he comes at a great price. The pricetag isn't everything, but when you pay him as little as you do and you have to make very little in terms of compromise, it's worth noting. Right now, this year, we're in a great position with Hasek and Osgood. Osgood/Howard wouldn't be as strong obviously...no one's arguing that, but at the same time, it doesn't scare me one bit. Goaltending hasn't been our problem the last few years...I'd put our money elsewhere when we have someone as solid as Osgood at a low price next year.

[Guest Crymson]

we were certainly pondering him while ozzie was still here. dude, let it go man. don't go get a headache over this.

he had a good postseason but that team was playing extrenely disciplined and i'm yet to see him play like that since,. last postseason we saw him in, he was exposed as having all the speed and mobility of a techtonic freakin plate. he was doing oookkkkk until the defense on te ducks started picking up.

one plays for the ducks. one plays for the canadiens, smart guy. i don't look up numbers on nhl.com, i watch them play. aebischer actually hs mobility. he can make big saves by moving his body around his crease. giggy is overrated.

doubt it. not anything bad but i doubt it

I believe that Giguere is better than Aebischer.. by far. With the Wings` defense in front of Giggy, he'd do very well.

Last year was not good for Giggy. This year has been.. and no, Pronger didn't make all the difference.

Bolded--The management team knows more about evaluating, signing and managing than you ever will. Nice try, though.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Could it be that those of us who like Osgood have developed an affinity for him because we actually think he's a good goalie? I mean, sure he seems like a good guy off the ice, but there's a bit more to it than that. I'm hardly saying he's the best, but I'd have no problem with Ozzie starting ever. He should've started in the playoffs last year...things likely would've ended differently. The guy came off a year off and hasn't been given a lot of starts...part of it is the injuries, but again, I'd put him in any game. I don't doubt that he'll get his shot again soon enough. Call it a hunch.

I'm not scared at all for Hasek to go down. Osgood's not the best but he's far, far better than average and he comes at a great price. The pricetag isn't everything, but when you pay him as little as you do and you have to make very little in terms of compromise, it's worth noting. Right now, this year, we're in a great position with Hasek and Osgood. Osgood/Howard wouldn't be as strong obviously...no one's arguing that, but at the same time, it doesn't scare me one bit. Goaltending hasn't been our problem the last few years...I'd put our money elsewhere when we have someone as solid as Osgood at a low price next year.

Great post! Right on with everything. Especially the first paragraph.

[eva unit zero 271]

I believe you're talking about '95-'96, and it seems you've forgotten our other goaltender, who was given the Vezina that year. Osgood's stats were better, but he was playing behind an all-star team while Hasek was almost singlehandedly carrying the Sabres. Sure, Hasek didn't win the Vezina that year--but he was sure as hell a close second.

Just for reference, 1995-96 stats:

Chris Osgood

39-6-5, 2.17 GAA, .911 sv pct., 5 SO.

Dominik Hasek

22-30-6, 2.83 GAA, .920 sv pct., 2 SO.

Mike Vernon

21-7-2, 2.27 GAA, .903 sv. pct., 3 SO.

Vernon was a serious Vezina contender for eight seasons before 95-96, and would win a Cnn Smythe the FOLLOWING year. The fact that Osgood's numbers compare so favorably to what was statistically the best season in Vernon's career at the time show just how good Osgood was. But you have to remember, Osgood has shown the ability to handle a high shot count without suffering--see his stellar performances in NYI and StL. Haske, OTOH, has shown to be not as good when he doesn't see a lot of shots...one could easily make the argument that Hasek would not have done as well as Osgood had their roles been switched that season.

As good as that Wings team was, it wouldn't have been nearly that good without Osgood's performance. Earlier someone said Hasek should have won the 2002 Vezina, but the team hurt him. Never mind that was the year Theodore won the HART, for which Roy was also a finalist. Now if someone can claim Hasek lost the Vezina that season (he wasn't even a finalist) because of the All-Star Red Wings, then it stands to reason that Osgood (nearly won the Vezina in 96) lost the trophy for the same reason? Third-year player Osgood was far less established as a top goalie than 6-time Vezina winner Hasek, so it stands to reason he would lose more votes to 'on a good team.'

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

I'd like to see some exploring of Garon, I think that he has a lot of potential

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

I do not want to see Gigeure in Detroit