The biggest problem with our team

[timothy1997 0]

am i the only one that did a double take on the thread title? "the biggest problem with OUT team". I think you have used an extra minute making sure the thread was correct before posting this.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I love how these threads pop after the Wings lose a game. Nevermind that they dominated the first two, and we're pretty even last night.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

I think there is a huge difference between getting shut down on the PP by Kipper, and just not getting chances on Kipper on the PP. That being said, in games 1 and 2 we got chances, and we converted. In game 3 we didn't get many chances on the PP. Kipper didn't shut the PP down, the PP unit shut itself down. I think the Wings looked a bit tired, maybe it's the jet lag, who knows. We need to pick it up in game 4, and we will. Realisticly, all you hope for on the road is a split, which we are in position for. There is no doubt in my mind that we will see a different Wings team in game 4 than we saw last night.

[TheWestWing 71]

Nevermind that they dominated the first two, and we're pretty even last night.

OMG you watched the game right??? 'pretty even'? We were absolutly dominated last night on the PP! CGY converted at 33% - we had ONE PP SOG THE ENTIRE NIGHT (tho we did have 3 SH). Didn't count missed or blocked tho I'm sure there were some. If that's not domination, then I dont know what is.

I'm not panicking, just stating the obvious - our PP was the absolute worse last night that its been all season, and its been pretty bad. Obviously not all games are won or lost by special teams, but last nights was.

[OsGOD 3]

Our biggest problem is that in some games we like to play reactive hockey. The wings are best when they act first and cause the other team to react to them. Last night it was the opposite of games 1 and 2. Calgary brought the game to the wings, and they were forced to react to their plays, with out creating their own. When we got up 2-1 we started playing more effective puck but it was hampered by the horrible passing play between Lids and Zeta and then completely destroyed by Iggy's 40foot twisted wrister.

If we come out reacting to the opposition instead of making our own plays, we lose... plain and simple.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

OMG you watched the game right??? 'pretty even'? We were absolutly dominated last night on the PP! CGY converted at 33% - we had ONE PP SOG THE ENTIRE NIGHT (tho we did have 3 SH). Didn't count missed or blocked tho I'm sure there were some. If that's not domination, then I dont know what is.

I'm not panicking, just stating the obvious - our PP was the absolute worse last night that its been all season, and its been pretty bad. Obviously not all games are won or lost by special teams, but last nights was.

I wasn't referring to the PP in my original post. Maybe I should have made that more clear.

My point is that the Wings PP isn't what lost them the game last night.

Don't be so melodramatic.

Edited April 18, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25

[TheWestWing 71]

I wasn't referring to the PP in my original post. Maybe I should have made that more clear.

Perhaps you should have been since that's what the topic is about

My point is that the Wings PP isn't what lost them the game last night.

And IMHO its exactly what cost them the game. One PP SOG the entire game? That's abysmal. More than one reason I guess - CGY was not standing still at all - constant movement and forechecking. You're given an advantage and you fail to capitalize on said. In comparison to the other team that took advantage of such, we lost.

Don't be so melodramatic.

Its called passion. Posting a panic button is melodramtic.

Edited April 18, 2007 by TheWestWing

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Perhaps you should have been since that's what the topic is about

Not to be rude, but no sh*t, that's why I posted that. I was saying that I made a mistake. Why dwell on it?

And IMHO its exactly what cost them the game. One PP SOG the entire game? That's abysmal. More than one reason I guess - CGY was not standing still at all - constant movement and forechecking. You're given an advantage and you fail to capitalize on said. In comparison to the other team that took advantage of such, we lost.

No team in the NHL is going to score a PP goal every game (especially when they only have 4 PP opportunities). True, the Wings PP was not great last night, but that wasn't the biggest problem last night. That's my point. The biggest problem last night was the Flames established their forecheck, and the Wings never did. That's the reason they lost.

Sidenote: With your thread title, you make it seem as if its been the Wings problem all series and the Flames have been great. In games 1 & 2 the Flames we're at 20% rather than the 33% (Game 3) you pointed out. If your going to use only one stat to support your claim, its easy to only show it in your light.

Its called passion. Posting a panic button is melodramtic.

Not when its sarcastic.

Edited April 18, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25

[Kp-Wings 3]

One win and everyone is on the Wings bandwagon in full force. One less and everyone is calling for their heads. Pathetic.

[Guest Agalloch]

I'm pretty sure no one is freaking out because of one game, but no one should be attacking the guy. The power play HAS been awful, and the only time the Wings score on said power play is when they have a five on three. And even then, they rarely score.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

Everybody needs to calm down. We lost last night against a good / tough team on there home turf, I've been pretty impressed with the way the Wings have played so far in the playoff's this season, Some people need to stop picking hole's in our weakness's and start praising our strength's.

[Winged Scooter 0]

The power play has been basically the team's only weakness all year round. They just need to compensate with another aspect of their game if they can't get their power play going.

QFT, and I think they have ( at least in the 1st two games ), I have not seen a Red Wings team be as hard hitting , agressive, AND patient in the playoffs in a LONG time, as they have been so far. The 4 minute PP was far to "relaxed" for lack of a better word, but I agree with whoever said our not establishing the fore check is what really cost us the game.

[TheWestWing 71]

No team in the NHL is going to score a PP goal every game (especially when they only have 4 PP opportunities). True, the Wings PP was not great last night, but that wasn't the biggest problem last night. That's my point. The biggest problem last night was the Flames established their forecheck, and the Wings never did. That's the reason they lost.

It's not the number of PPs necessiarly, but what you do with them. Having no SOGs during a 4 minute PP and only one for the entire game is why they lost. I do agree thet the CGY forechecking played a role, but experienced teams ahould learn to adjust during the course of a game - and even a series of shifts when the PP lasts 4 minutes.

Sidenote: With your thread title, you make it seem as if its been the Wings problem all series and the Flames have been great. In games 1 & 2 the Flames we're at 20% rather than the 33% (Game 3) you pointed out. If your going to use only one stat to support your claim, its easy to only show it in your light.

It's not my thread - I'm just adding my 2 cents same as you. I also agree with you that the PP was not an issue for us in the first 2 games - it was last nite. The stats just substaniate 'my light'.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

It's not the number of PPs necessiarly, but what you do with them. Having no SOGs during a 4 minute PP and only one for the entire game is why they lost. I do agree thet the CGY forechecking played a role, but experienced teams ahould learn to adjust during the course of a game - and even a series of shifts when the PP lasts 4 minutes.

Why is it that the Wings only had 1 SOG during their 4 PP opportunities? The answer is that Calgary established their forecheck from the moment the puck dropped, thus creating no room for the Wings to get more than 1 SOG.

All I'm saying is look at the root of the problem rather than just saying the reason the Wings lost is because they didn't capitalize (or get many shots) on the PP.

It's not my thread - I'm just adding my 2 cents same as you. I also agree with you that the PP was not an issue for us in the first 2 games - it was last nite. The stats just substaniate 'my light'.

But you (and the thread starter) are stating that this was biggest problem, and IMO it wasn't. I just don't agree with it.

Edited April 18, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25

[RedLightGoesOn 81]

go whine somewhere else.. this is the playoffs and we're up against a world class goalie who is at home in a must win situation... you people are spoiled and pathetic... when we win this series you will be celebrating with everyone else, but if we happen to lose, you will be the ones to say "i told you so" .. go f*** yourself...

Hey...

I do not mind losing if both teams are playing incredbly well.

Game 3 went like this, Detriot knew the Flames would be stepping their game uip, and the real problem that I have with the Wings, is that the Wings let them do it. The Wings LET the Flames come back into this series. They shouldn't have let them back into this series, but yet it was 4 unforced offsides in the first period alone by the Wings. You have to keep the pressure on them. Yeah Kipper is a world class goaly, but if we pelt him with 50 shots a game, there are more chances we get a deflection, a lucky bounce, etc and win.

[Chase 0]

Wow this place is pathetic after we lose ONE game... jeez...