Suspend Thornton!

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

Then Lilja should get the same thing for boarding Grier at the horn in the second period.

Did Grier have the puck? if he did, it was a clean hit besides the period was still going. Hey does any one out there remember the hits that Konstantinov and Roenick used to lay on each other old time hockey wasnt it great.

[Guest Don Corleone]

Did Grier have the puck? if he did, it was a clean hit besides the period was still going. Hey does any one out there remember the hits that Konstantinov and Roenick used to lay on each other old time hockey wasnt it great.

No he didn't have the puck and it was a cheap boarding shot.

[CloudConnected 0]

Watch what Thorton does on most of his face offs takes the tip of his blade and pushes the right skate back on the oppisition that could be tripping but it will not be called so it is the playoffs gotta work through it GO WINGS :!:

And that's the reason why he has been thrown out of the faceoff on multiple occasions this series. If the linesman catches him doing it, they toss him every time.

There's no suspension needed, hockey is a contact sport. Relax ladies.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Did Grier have the puck? if he did, it was a clean hit besides the period was still going. Hey does any one out there remember the hits that Konstantinov and Roenick used to lay on each other old time hockey wasnt it great.

This was the example I was going to use for Don Corleone. Konstantinov's center ice hit against the Flyers in the 97 finals was against a player who didn't "have" the puck, but it was in the vicinity.

As long as the puck is near the player, and the hit was within the rules of the game, its not a penalty. Thus Lilja's hit was fine, and a good one at that.

No he didn't have the puck and it was a cheap boarding shot.

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[SoupGuru 0]

The only thing remarkable about Lilja's hit on Grier was that it was seconds away from the horn sounding to end the period. That's a time when teams usually lay off each other and let the clock run out as long as there are no eminent scoring opportunities. Grier wasn't expecting to be hit. It might have been "cheap" on Lilja's part, but certainly nothing illegal. No one's going to get a penalty for playing until the whistle or horn sounds.

Edited May 7, 2007 by SoupGuru

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

The only thing remarkable about Lilja's hit on Grier was that it was seconds away from the horn sounding to end the period. That's a time when teams usually lay off each other and let the clock run out as long as there are no scoring opportunities eminent, Grier wasn't expecting to be hit. It might have been "cheap" on Lilja's part, but certainly nothing illegal. No one's going to get a penalty for playing until the whistle or horn sounds.

QFT

[IceMunkee 15]

Didn't see it, but what Thornton did doesn't belong in the game.

If Campbell doesn't suspend him then fines should at least be levied.

How can you call for a suspension if you didn't even see it? Just curious.

Dirty? Suspensions? No place in hockey for it? Seriously if qoute anymore of the damn media I am gonna puck. Midgets games are rougher then these!!! 10 years ago, heck 5 years ago we wouldn't even be batting an eye. Unfortunatly the media corupts our view points and since most don't have a mind of thier own the most be feed their point of view by so-called experts. This is hockey. A team down by 3 or more has always amp'd it up at the end.

As far as Homer goes joining a fight that was not his, I think he was aiding the Zman. Which should be done. Back in the day of Probert and Koucher if you even touched Yzerman you were getting an ass beating! Crazy how things change back then that was everyday hockey. Today if you commit a 2 minute minor everyone is calling for suspensions.

[uncle ovipositor 6]

I'm sorry. I assumed when you quoted me you were replying to me.

"I'm sorry"?!? WTF?!?

That kind of attitude will get you kicked off the internet.

[moving on]

Lilja's hit was late on a guy without the puck. It was cheap. But yeah, it was legal. My point was that it's a part of the game, and calling for a suspension over agressive play in hockey will ruin the sport.

I'll go even farther out on a limb here: I don't like fighting being treated as acceptable behavior. It doesn't serve any purpose and flies in the face of good sportsmanship. It's quite possible to play excellent hockey without taking breaks to beat the crap out of eachother, something that other sports have proven.

But I like hockey to be played physically. I think it's possible to have physical play without the fights (see: football), but I'd rather see fighting stay than see the game lose its flow because of the rules being tightened. For the most part things work out for the best this way, and I've seen what happens when you go the other way (see: soccer).

I like the new rules, and I like the fact that most teams don't have a goon line anymore, if only because it's going to make LaRaque's career shorter. But I'm not going to argue too strenuously that the game needs to be called tighter.

[SoupGuru 0]

Lilja's hit was late on a guy without the puck.

If it was late on a guy without the puck, it would have been illegal. I'm sorry I keep pestering everyone on this issue but it's starting to grate on me. I may be off but this is what I saw: Grier straddled the red line. There were only a few seconds left on the clock and San Jose was looking to clear their zone and kill the rest of the clock. The SJ D fired it up the boards, Grier tipped it into the Wings' zone, and Lilja hit him.

[uncle ovipositor 6]

If it was late on a guy without the puck, it would have been illegal. I'm sorry I keep pestering everyone on this issue but it's starting to grate on me. I may be off but this is what I saw: Grier straddled the red line. There were only a few seconds left on the clock and San Jose was looking to clear their zone and kill the rest of the clock. The SJ D fired it up the boards, Grier tipped it into the Wings' zone, and Lilja hit him.

What I saw was Grier TRYING to play the puck but missing it by a step. I believe it went off the boards, not his stick. It's not illegal to hit someone who's attempting to play the puck or has just played the puck (as it would be if you're right). That doesn't mean it COULDN'T be called based on the rules (roughing, unsportsmanlike conduct), just that it shouldn't.

But it's a moot point - I don't think it was by any measure an illegal hit, if a little cheap. The issue is whether play like that is acceptable or should result in manditory suspensions (or just for SJS. I think we agree that it shouldn't. By the same measure, if Thorton's agressive in face-offs, that's called competing. If he goes too far, he should sit for 2. If he's actively trying to break the other player's legs he should be suspended. Let me know when that happens.

[FireCaptain 563]

I saw the segment you're talking about as well.

They showed the coach showing the players how he wanted them to chop at the opponent's feet during the faceoff and when they stumble - crosscheck em' down.

Seemed pretty cheap to me as well. How about worrying about the puck instead?

-"They" refers to the Versus crew. I don't remember who it was exactly but whoever decided to show clips in between plays...that's who "they" is. If you didn't see that clip, that's not my problem. Maybe you watch even less hockey than me. If you do catch that clip however, there's a tiny unicorn dancing in the top right corner.

[Kp-Wings 3]

We must sound so pathetic to fans of other teams when they see stuff like this. My God, you guys want suspensions every time a player of the opposing team dares to even look at a Wings player.

[HenrikRules40 14]

"I'm sorry"?!? WTF?!?

That kind of attitude will get you kicked off the internet.

Did my apology offend you?

[pavyaz19 1]

We must sound so pathetic to fans of other teams when they see stuff like this. My God, you guys want suspensions every time a player of the opposing team dares to even look at a Wings player.

apparently you didn't see the two handed chop that sent an unassuming Zetterberg to the ice pain. Thornton probably looked at zetterberg while he was laying on the ice, sure.

[uncle ovipositor 6]

Did my apology offend you?

Not personally, no, it's just not how things are done on the internet. I don't care if you see my point or not, but once you take a position you're supposed to argue to the death that you're right and everyone else is wrong, and then you finally compare someone else to Hitler. Don't you know anything?

[and the fact that you didn't do that is why I like this forum - so, thanks.]

[SJCheechoo14 0]

Not personally, no, it's just not how things are done on the internet. I don't care if you see my point or not, but once you take a position you're supposed to argue to the death that you're right and everyone else is wrong, and then you finally compare someone else to Hitler. Don't you know anything?

[and the fact that you didn't do that is why I like this forum - so, thanks.]

lol

[Defenseman13 0]

well, he just did it again at 2:52... chopped zetterberg in the leg again at the blueline from the blind side. He's a F***ing goon, i dont care what u say.

if its not obvious enough, Zetterberg's already hurt. Yeah I'm whining, he's one of our best, Thornton's a *****. Remember when Larionov broke that Av's leg with a slash back in the day? how would you like that to happen to Z? WL, you're an idiot.

It's the "not caring" part of this post that really tugs at my heartstrings.

NEWS FLASH... this is hockey.

I saw the segment you're talking about as well.

They showed the coach showing the players how he wanted them to chop at the opponent's feet during the faceoff and when they stumble - crosscheck em' down.

Seemed pretty cheap to me as well. How about worrying about the puck instead?

you've never played at that level, I take it....

To quote Marty McSorley after we lost Game 2 and ACTUALLY SUFFERED INJURY (stop whining)... "generally, the team pointing the finger and crying 'dirty' is not in control of the series".

Game on.

Edited May 8, 2007 by Defenseman13

[HenrikRules40 14]

Not personally, no, it's just not how things are done on the internet. I don't care if you see my point or not, but once you take a position you're supposed to argue to the death that you're right and everyone else is wrong, and then you finally compare someone else to Hitler. Don't you know anything?

[and the fact that you didn't do that is why I like this forum - so, thanks.]

No problem. We're good. I appreciate your perspective.