Holland: Prices for Bertuzzi, Schneider & Markov high

[Gordie Howe hat trick 110]

I think that Schneider is an excellent D man and everything, but I think we have people that could step up to fill his place too I think. Although...another thing to take into account is that broken wrist that he just suffered. I broke my wrist a year or so ago, and it has not been the same since.

[Offsides 21]

Honestly...I say pick between Schneider or Hasek (Hasek imo) and then sign Bert.

If we have the goaltending we'll need scoring as opposed to D, and we still have a good D anyhow.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

I don't agree with this, but I'd like to know who you think could replace him AND be just as effective?

Of course you don't, because you would like the Red Wings to ice the same core year after year. I think it was pretty evident that Schneider is replaceable when he was lost to injury in the playoffs. The Red Wings did fine despite also having Kronwall on the injury list. My theory is this, Schneider's ice time is partly what keeps Kronwall from developing. Schneider is strictly an offensive defenseman and Detroit is set in that department, even without Schneider (again I can't believe Detroit did not draft Petrecki ).

[Echolalia 2,961]

Hey I was just thinking, does this mean we're signing Calder?

I hope so

He won't be getting a new contract.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...0337/1128/rss16

its toward the bottom of the article

[detroitdeviant 0]

Forget Bert He's NO shanny he's a minus player who takes stupid penaltys at stupid times ie. the playoffs and the dumb penaltys he took, I say go for Nolan hes a couple of years older but probably would settle for a lot less and 40 points on a crappy coyotes team he could put up bigger numbers with some talent around him, and as for Matt yes his replaceable as has been stated before, can the wings countinue to pay for a defensive liabilty based on the fact hes a great point on the PP, I like Markov but he to is replaceable, start the kids, Hudler trade bait as is Lilja, there is going to be a wealth of free agents(at every position) next year so the trade deadline can be where the wings find the parts they need.

[blgillett 48]

Damn, that's true, but given the staff's diagnosis of him in last years training camp, I would hope that they would only have better things to say about him.

Maybe he's not a replacement for Schneider, but he can possibly take a spot on the roster, and then we'll see what Kronvall can do. If he turns out to be what we all know he can be, then that long term deal will be a huge pay-off.

Kronvall has not impressed me at all! He make too many boneheaded plays. Plus he has been injury prone, we haven't received a full season out of him yet.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

He won't be getting a new contract.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...0337/1128/rss16

its toward the bottom of the article

It's a shame Calder won't be back, I liked the energy he brought to the lineup during the regular season. Given some time, he might have showed up in the playoffs too.

[uk_redwing 495]

To me, I think its really important we keep Bert. I believe with him in the team, our euro-stars will be pushed around and bullied alot less.

As for Markov I always respected him as a solid defenseman and I would like to see him stay as with Schnieder, but if we see them too expensive then I wont mind if we go for some younger tougher Dmen who will show grit and give the physical edge we seem to miss in the regular season.

[Viperar 16]

i hope we dont lose schneider but if he asks for insane amounts of money, let him go.

[Flip-check 6]

i hope we dont lose schneider but if he asks for insane amounts of money, let him go.

Same.

You know, I get younger players having to keep demanding top dollar on the market--they gotta in order to protect future offers--but players like Schneids and the rest, what's the point? Aside from wanting top dollar, anyway.

You don't want to take a "sucker" deal just to stay on a team (you know, 2.5mill for a year of hockey-playing), but a lower number that isn't going to invite future lowballs thrown your way, to aid a Cup-contender, you gotta side with that.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Of course you don't, because you would like the Red Wings to ice the same core year after year. I think it was pretty evident that Schneider is replaceable when he was lost to injury in the playoffs. The Red Wings did fine despite also having Kronwall on the injury list. My theory is this, Schneider's ice time is partly what keeps Kronwall from developing. Schneider is strictly an offensive defenseman and Detroit is set in that department, even without Schneider (again I can't believe Detroit did not draft Petrecki ).

Hey now..I was all for the Wings drafting Petrecki as well.

As for wanting the same team year after year. Not true. Sure I get attached to certain players and I will gladly admit that, but I always get excited and love to see a few changes every now and then. The thing with Schneids is I still believe he's a very solid defensman that puts up great numbers and helps our blue line out a great deal. It has nothing to do with me wanting him to stay because I always want the same team. I just think he helps more than hurts, and don't believe he's replaceable yet.

He won't be getting a new contract.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...0337/1128/rss16

its toward the bottom of the article

WTF.

Now I am officially pissed and upset. I can't believe they gave up on this guy with how great he was with us. I just don't get it. I don't buy that his play just all of a sudden went downhill. Something must of happened. Maybe not injury but something behind the scenes, and if that's not the case then the Wings are really damn foolish to be letting him go.

Edited June 24, 2007 by HockeyCrazy3033

[Heaton 1]

HC, Calder had 1 assist in 13 games in the playoffs, 1. 1 point, that's it. He averaged 8 mins a game, but in the first series against Calgary he was getting 15 minutes a game and doing nothing with it. Calder did nothing in the playoffs. A hurt finger does not make you invisible, Calder was fantastic when he first got here but he shriveled up in the playoffs.

Priror to a few decent games against the weak sisters at the end of the year he went 7 games wihtout a point.

If Calder showed anything in the playoffs I'd be inclined to bring him back, but he showed nothing. Not with 15 minutes of icetime, not with 10, not with 8 and not with 4.

I know why you think he'd be even better if he came back, but you're holding onto the first impression that he made and not who he actually is.

Edited June 24, 2007 by Heaton

[chrisdetroit 189]

W_D's Max Numbers

Hasek- $1.5 mil (health is an issue, no matter how well he played)

Schneider- $3.5 mil (you're old, and injury prone)

Markov- $2 mil (you fill a gap well, but are a dime a dozen)

Bert- $2.5 mil (I want it to work out, but don't get greedy, you're back can't handle a fat wallet)

I think if we lose Schneider and Markov, Sheldon Souray will be a possibility. Also, with the Nashville fire sale about to commence, we could pick up a Zidlicky or a Vishnevski or a Zanon for picks or a prospect.

Any forward losses will be answered with a Devils pick up and no Hasek means a Oz-Howard 07-08.

You're kidding right? Sheldon Souray over Schneider? Or Zidlicky or Vishnevski? Be realistic. We came close to hoisting the cup this year. What were we missing (except for a little luck from the hockey gods) - An effective power play and it was obvious that with Schenider playing in the WCF, we would have won. Until Kronwell starts playing up to his potential and gets past the bizzare injuries, we NEED Schneider. We don't have any other offensive defense men ready to step up. Pay him the 4-5 Mil for a year (but only a year) and let's get on with it.

You want to let him walk for 5 mil and turn around an pay 2-3 mil for a Zidlicky? No way

Of course you don't, because you would like the Red Wings to ice the same core year after year. I think it was pretty evident that Schneider is replaceable when he was lost to injury in the playoffs. The Red Wings did fine despite also having Kronwall on the injury list. My theory is this, Schneider's ice time is partly what keeps Kronwall from developing. Schneider is strictly an offensive defenseman and Detroit is set in that department, even without Schneider (again I can't believe Detroit did not draft Petrecki ).

What? Schneider was out the entire WCF and we lost. And we lost because we couldn't score on the power play. Remember game 5, we just couldn't get more than 1 goal. Even on 5 on 3. Babs had Sammy playing the point on the power play for God's sake! I don't get how you think that we were doing fine without Schneider? As far as offensive D-men, we got Lids and Kronwall. Who else are you talking about? Cheli - no, Lebda - no (or at least not yet), Lilja - I think not, Markov - no, so how are we "set" for offensive D-men?

Edited June 24, 2007 by chrisdetroit

[kindlwillbegreat 0]

IMHO Souray would do very well in Detroit if he were to replace Schneider. Gotta remember Schneider has had his best years in the Motor City; he was bounced around from team to team, & was looked upon as a high risk guy whom couldn't play in his own end (like Souray is now). Since coming to Detroit his game has rounded out nicely; I'm certain the same would happen for Souray...One problem though - Souray will get $6 plus million which we really can't afford.

IMHO our biggest problem for our crappy pp is the fact that we're not kidding anyone; Homer stands in front of the net, & either Lidstrom, or Schneider blast away from the point - very easy to counter while on the pk

Pual Maurice, & his Maple Leafs have a better pp with a much weaker cast of forwards, but unlike Babcock - Maurice changes things up a bit, & gets goals in return.

souray would cost us a nice 4-5 yr commitment to get him here and close to 6 million thanks to the timonen signing , no thanks , hes not good defensivly and he'd probably be too busy trying to screw all the little 18 yr old girls in detroit like he does here in montreal lol .........id rather hope that id kindl is capable theyd give him a shot instead of sending him down

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

HC, Calder had 1 assist in 13 games in the playoffs, 1. 1 point, that's it. He averaged 8 mins a game, but in the first series against Calgary he was getting 15 minutes a game and doing nothing with it. Calder did nothing in the playoffs. A hurt finger does not make you invisible, Calder was fantastic when he first got here but he shriveled up in the playoffs.

Priror to a few decent games against the weak sisters at the end of the year he went 7 games wihtout a point.

If Calder showed anything in the playoffs I'd be inclined to bring him back, but he showed nothing. Not with 15 minutes of icetime, not with 10, not with 8 and not with 4.

I know why you think he'd be even better if he came back, but you're holding onto the first impression that he made and not who he actually is.

I know but I am just saying I don't understand how he could all of a sudden decline after how great he was doing.

I just loved his work ehtic on the ice. He reminded me of a Cleary type. I'm just really upset that he won't be brought back. I had high hopes for him here.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Dom & Bert are the two most likely to re-sign.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Dom & Bert are the two most likely to re-sign.

Yay! I do wish there was a way to keep Markov, though. Maybe they still can. I saw little bits of Vladdy-ish behavior in him toward the end of the season. I liked it.

I think Schneider is gone, sorry to say. I can't blame him, really -- when you're an NHL athlete, you have to get what money you can while it's there and while you still have a body that can take the pain.

I hope and pray we get the real Bert back in the Fall if he and Kenny can work it out, all healed up and ready to snarl.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Yay! I do wish there was a way to keep Markov, though. Maybe they still can. I saw little bits of Vladdy-ish behavior in him toward the end of the season. I liked it.

I think Schneider is gone, sorry to say. I can't blame him, really -- when you're an NHL athlete, you have to get what money you can while it's there and while you still have a body that can take the pain.

I hope and pray we get the real Bert back in the Fall if he and Kenny can work it out, all healed up and ready to snarl.

Agreed.

For some reason though I bet Schneids tests the market and he'll be offered a bit more from a crappy team and then realize you know what? Money shouldn't mean anything right now. I have a chance to win the Cup with the Wings. So then right after that he calls Kenny up and is like listen will you still sign me? And then Kenny says hell yeah I will and then he signs a 3 year deal *to possibly finish his career here* worth 3 mil per.

Or I am just delusional and none of that actually happens.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Schnieder won a cup with Montreal a hundred years ago.

I dont see why he'd want a boatload of money just to go to Chicago , Phoenix or Columbus , whats the point ?

Take a million less , be a man and win a cup.

As for Bert , come back Todd , we could really use you.

And Dominik is coming back

Edited June 24, 2007 by Detroit # 1 Fan

[Copenhagen848 58]

Dom & Bert are the two most likely to re-sign.

I'd love to see Bert stay in Motown...I hope it happens.

[kindlwillbegreat 0]

LOL

My point was the comparisons of Souray, & Schneider...Souray would become a perfect replacement for Schneider; just as Schneider was not known for his defensive awareness prior to his arrival in Detroit (same goes for Souray) - he became better these past few seasons just as I'm sure Souray would - mainly due to the guys he'd be playing with (Lidstrom, & Chelios) & the style we play - puck possession.

ya theres no doubt he would do awesome here on the powerplay but for the kind of money and length of deal he will get , no thanks

[kindlwillbegreat 0]

I f Matty takes the $$$ from another team well then I wish him luck...He'll need it if he ends up on a team like Chicago

Detroit made Matty a better player more so than Matty making Detroit a better team.

he was a good player before but your right he did play better in detroit cause he had better players to play with

[detroitdeviant 0]

so why not find some other cheaper GOOD players and save some $$$

[kindlwillbegreat 0]

so why not find some other cheaper GOOD players and save some $$$

thats easier said then done ........any players in mind ??

on a sidenote im watching nhl network and there showing the top 10 draft sleeper picks for the 90's

#10 holmstrom

#6 datsyuk

and im at number 5 now and its lang .......WTFFF lol no way hes better then datsyuk

zetterberg wasnt even in the top 10 , what a load of crap

5 lang

4 demitra

3 alfredsson

2 khabibulin

1 bondra

Edited June 24, 2007 by kindlwillbegreat

[detroitdeviant 0]

well from whats been said being able to play on the red wings have made better players out of our ufa why pay top dollar for them there are certainly some good maybe not as good as the 3 mentioned but wont playing with the core players we have bring out better play from them, and for 1 theres Niinima health a issue there but could benefit fromplaying with our vet dmen, 2 Greg de vries bigger dman and has a nice touch, 3 Nolan way less than bert bigger and put up some acceptable #s with Phx, 4 Trevor Linden I think most people here are in love with our ufas, check some ufa list I think the three everyone here is so worried about could be replaced and for cheaper and not for as many years