Tom Preissing... UFA

[Dominator2005 558]

http://www.rds.ca/senateurs/chroniques/231666.html

Ok - Schneider may be looking for $5M / this is with home discount / I don't think we should give him that money...

Maybe Preissing is solution right hand offensive defensmen...

What do you think???

[Zeta Power 40 1]

I really like Preissing, He'd work well on the PP. But lets not get ahead of ourselves. Schenider is the man in Hockeytown. He'll be back.

[Dominator2005 558]

...and how much would you pay for Schneider???

[Guest jaytan]

I like Preissing.... I'd rather have Schneider, but if he's asking for more than he's worth, I hope we don't give it to him.

[puckloo39 5,686]

I like Preissing, as well. I first saw him play in San Jose - he contributes every shift and I think would be a good fit as a Red Wing. Don't know what he commands in terms of salary, though. I love Matty, but it depends on how bad Schneider wants to be a Wing, and how much moolah Kenny has to offer, I guess.

[kindlwillbegreat 0]

im sure some team will give him a 3-4 yr deal at 2.5 -3 per year .....i think ill pass , not too sure about him anyways , he had nice stats but he did play with 2 good teams

[WingNut199 0]

im sure some team will give him a 3-4 yr deal at 2.5 -3 per year .....i think ill pass , not too sure about him anyways , he had nice stats but he did play with 2 good teams

And the wings aren't a good team?

[Production Line 1]

If we get him for half whay matty signs for elsewhere for timonen, we got a deal... :deal:

[kindlwillbegreat 0]

And the wings aren't a good team?

course we are lol .......im just not sold on him , hes a late bloomer ......hes more offensive dont really now about his defensive game , and like i said i wouldnt wanna pay him 2.5 to 3 for like 3-4 yrs like some stupid team will

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Not that I have anything against the french...but why is it a link the RDS website?

I like Preissing. He'd be a welcome addition to the Wings... for the right Preiss...

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[canadienhater 0]

I like Preissing.... I'd rather have Schneider, but if he's asking for more than he's worth, I hope we don't give it to him.

I don t think one guy can replace matty we need kronwall to step up

[Dominator2005 558]

Not that I have anything against the french...but why is it a link the RDS website?

I like Preissing. He'd be a welcome addition to the Wings... for the right Preiss...

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??? Who cares??? People are linking the Swede websites, Russian websites... why not RDS???

BTW RDS gives a lot of informations about Sens

[BeeRYCE 2]

I'm sorry to say this, but Schneider is pretty much worth 5 mill. I'd say 4-4.5, but 5 still isn't a stretch. The question concerning this is it will effect our cap number a great deal. Schneider is good, but I don't think he should be looked at as top priority. I'd say picking up Tom Preissing would be more advantageous on our part, no doubt.

[eva unit zero 271]

im sure some team will give him a 3-4 yr deal at 2.5 -3 per year .....i think ill pass , not too sure about him anyways , he had nice stats but he did play with 2 good teams

Preissing isn't worth that. He was Ottawa's #6 defenseman. Despite having a lofty +/-, Preissing isn't that good defensively. He was the #4 PP defenseman and did not kill penalties. He only played 11 minutes at even strength. Schneider was a key to our PP, he killed penalties, and he played 16 minutes at even strength.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Preissing isn't worth that. He was Ottawa's #6 defenseman. Despite having a lofty +/-, Preissing isn't that good defensively. He was the #4 PP defenseman and did not kill penalties. He only played 11 minutes at even strength. Schneider was a key to our PP, he killed penalties, and he played 16 minutes at even strength.

I completely disagree. I thought Priessing was a great up and comer in San Jose and when Ottawa nabbed him and Corvo I thought they'd be better than Chara and turns out Ottawa was better. How can you be "not that good defensively" when you tie Nick Lidstrom for the league lead in +/-? Priessing played nearly 1/3 of his time on the power play and for a guy only getting 11-13 minutes a night that +40 is ridiculous. +40 means Lidstrom is amazing and +40 is "lofty" when it comes to Priessing? I guess he's the luckiest defensmen in the league. If that's the case i'll take him and his lucky ass. Also, Priessing was a + player in the playoffs even after their abysmal series against Anaheim.

The bottom line is that Priessing is no Schneider. However, Priessing was no Chara either but Ottawa proved my theory that 2 really solid players can be better than 1 great player. I think that if Schnieder is looking for 5 million and Priessing can be had for 2.5-3 then it makes sense to bring in a guy who is 29 years old versus Matty who is what, 37 or so. Also, since you bring up Priessing's defensive abilities the last time I checked Matty wasn't very highly regarded as a solid defensive defensman anyway. Priessing has played in high-tempo offenses so he'd fit right in with the Wings. He can move the puck, play the powerplay and gives us another right hand shot. Priessing is proven that he can put up some numbers in a limited role so expanding his ice time could mean better numbers. He's younger, cheaper, etc......

I love Matty more than most and defended him vehemently in the early years but i'm ready to move on. We have too many grey hairs on the blueline and Priessing is sitting right there with a chance for us to nab him for less money than Matty and give us more cash to work another deal for a forward. I'll take that any day.

[datsyukonethree 0]

I'm sorry to say this, but Schneider is pretty much worth 5 mill. I'd say 4-4.5, but 5 still isn't a stretch. The question concerning this is it will effect our cap number a great deal. Schneider is good, but I don't think he should be looked at as top priority. I'd say picking up Tom Preissing would be more advantageous on our part, no doubt.

I agree completely. Schneider is worth that much for sure, just not to a team with Nick Lidstrom and no solid scoring wingers. It could be better to spend that money on scoring depth and second tier defensemen.

[eva unit zero 271]

+40 means Lidstrom is amazing and +40 is "lofty" when it comes to Priessing?

The difference being that Lidstrom plays twenty minutes a night against the opponents' top offensive lines. Preissing plays ZERO minutes against the opposing team's top lines; Volchenkov and Phillips were always against the opposing top line. The fact that those two have +37 and +36 is much more impressive than Preissing's +40.

Preissing scored 18 PPP and 20 ESP. There were four Ottawa defensemen who scored more at ES, plus Redden who scored at a better points per game.

So, we have established that Preissing was not one of Ottawa's top four defensive defensemen (doesn't kill penalties) and that offensive guys Meszaros, Redden, and Corvo all played more per game than Preissing. This makes Preissing the fourth best offensive defenseman on the Sens. Now that we've established that, there are two possible explanations for the discrepancy between Pressing's stats and his ice time. Either his stats are inflated by playing with great players, or he's better than guys like Redden, Corvo, and Meszaros and should be ahead of them on the depth chart. If it's the latter, why isn't Schubert, who had better stats than Preissing when ice time is taken into account, considered Ottawa's top defenseman? And if it's the former, my point is proven.

[eva unit zero 271]

The bottom line is that Priessing is no Schneider. However, Priessing was no Chara either but Ottawa proved my theory that 2 really solid players can be better than 1 great player.

Ottawa had Volchenkov ready to step into the top four when Chara left. Phillips was already there. Volchenkov is a pretty damn good defensive defenseman, as is Phillips, and they might have been the league's best shutdown pairing this past season. Corvo and Preissing were the 5 and 6 defensemen. Pothier (#6 D in 2006) was also shipped out. As far as the depth chart is concerned, that would be like Detroit keeping Markov, but dropping Schneider and Chelios, and replacing them with two guys not as good as Lebda. Phillips and Volchenkov were huge bargains this season; Corvo was actully the second highest paid defenseman on the Sens.

Detroit's best course of action would be to retain Schneider and Markov (or someone who makes a similar amount). If that's not possible, Schneider should be top priority. The Wings realistically have enough money to sign Hasek (2.5m), Bertuzzi (2.5m), and Schneider (5m). Beyond that, we would need to add a spare defenseman and a spare forward, which could be done fairly cheaply.

[Opie 308]

This may be completely way off base, I am using my not so good memory to go into the way back machine.....

Didn't Scotty pair his younger D-men with Lids to give them more experience and also cover up some of their inadequacies. I know he wasn't huge on young guys, but I seem to remember him using lids as a way to break in some of the weaker or lesser d-men.

My point is could Babcock do a similar thing with this team if they don't sign Markov or Schneider. Pair the other with Chelios and let a guy like Quincey, Lebda, or Lilja learn from the master.

[Dominator2005 558]

Let put it in this way...

Would you rather have Schneider for $5M / season (and when you compare him to Timmonen he's worth it) or

Have Preissing ($2M) + Hannan ($3.5M - $4.0M) for $5.5M - $6.0M...

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Ottawa had Volchenkov ready to step into the top four when Chara left. Phillips was already there. Volchenkov is a pretty damn good defensive defenseman, as is Phillips, and they might have been the league's best shutdown pairing this past season. Corvo and Preissing were the 5 and 6 defensemen. Pothier (#6 D in 2006) was also shipped out. As far as the depth chart is concerned, that would be like Detroit keeping Markov, but dropping Schneider and Chelios, and replacing them with two guys not as good as Lebda. Phillips and Volchenkov were huge bargains this season; Corvo was actully the second highest paid defenseman on the Sens.

Detroit's best course of action would be to retain Schneider and Markov (or someone who makes a similar amount). If that's not possible, Schneider should be top priority. The Wings realistically have enough money to sign Hasek (2.5m), Bertuzzi (2.5m), and Schneider (5m). Beyond that, we would need to add a spare defenseman and a spare forward, which could be done fairly cheaply.

What has happened to the universe I wonder. I remember two contracts ago when people said Schnieder was overpaid and then last contract when they screamed he wasn't worth 3 mil or 3.5 or whatever. Its years later, the guy is getting older and now we're all like "toss 5 million at him, its no big deal its just 5 million"

You have your opinion of Priessing I have mine. I think he has very good offensive instincts (which is no sleight agains Meszaros or anybody else), which frankly I don't understand why we have to establish that Priessing is worse than those guys. What if there were a team with Lidstrom, Bourque, Niedermayer, Pronger and Bobby Orr, would we look down on Pronger for being only the 5th best offensive guy? This isn't about Meszaros or anybody else. It's about Priessing.

Like I started to say, good offensive ability, much younger, can QB a 2nd PP unit, right hand shot and makes 1/2 of what Matty makes. Why not use the 2.5 to 3 million to get Ryan Smyth or somebody else and add that to Priessing.

I'ts not a str8 swap of Priessing for Matty. It'd be Priessing and a couple million for Matty. I say do it. Just my humble opinion.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

I don t think one guy can replace matty we need kronwall to step up

Let's not get the cart before the horse here. Before Kronwall can be asked to step up, he needs to shake his injury bug and play a full season. And yes, full season does include playoffs.

[Dominator2005 558]

What has happened to the universe I wonder. I remember two contracts ago when people said Schnieder was overpaid and then last contract when they screamed he wasn't worth 3 mil or 3.5 or whatever. Its years later, the guy is getting older and now we're all like "toss 5 million at him, its no big deal its just 5 million"

You have your opinion of Priessing I have mine. I think he has very good offensive instincts (which is no sleight agains Meszaros or anybody else), which frankly I don't understand why we have to establish that Priessing is worse than those guys. What if there were a team with Lidstrom, Bourque, Niedermayer, Pronger and Bobby Orr, would we look down on Pronger for being only the 5th best offensive guy? This isn't about Meszaros or anybody else. It's about Priessing.

Like I started to say, good offensive ability, much younger, can QB a 2nd PP unit, right hand shot and makes 1/2 of what Matty makes. Why not use the 2.5 to 3 million to get Ryan Smyth or somebody else and add that to Priessing.

I'ts not a str8 swap of Priessing for Matty. It'd be Priessing and a couple million for Matty. I say do it. Just my humble opinion.

Let Preissing play with Lidstrom he will be at ALL STAR GAME in '08...

[eva unit zero 271]

What has happened to the universe I wonder. I remember two contracts ago when people said Schnieder was overpaid and then last contract when they screamed he wasn't worth 3 mil or 3.5 or whatever. Its years later, the guy is getting older and now we're all like "toss 5 million at him, its no big deal its just 5 million"

You have your opinion of Priessing I have mine. I think he has very good offensive instincts (which is no sleight agains Meszaros or anybody else), which frankly I don't understand why we have to establish that Priessing is worse than those guys. What if there were a team with Lidstrom, Bourque, Niedermayer, Pronger and Bobby Orr, would we look down on Pronger for being only the 5th best offensive guy? This isn't about Meszaros or anybody else. It's about Priessing.

Like I started to say, good offensive ability, much younger, can QB a 2nd PP unit, right hand shot and makes 1/2 of what Matty makes. Why not use the 2.5 to 3 million to get Ryan Smyth or somebody else and add that to Priessing.

I'ts not a str8 swap of Priessing for Matty. It'd be Priessing and a couple million for Matty. I say do it. Just my humble opinion.

The reason I brought up how Preissing relates to his teammates was to illustrate the fact that his plus-minus is an inflated number. He was the number 6 defenseman on the Sens and never played against top lines or on PK. He was no better offensively than several other guys, most of whom played significantly more time.

Schneider has been a #1 or #2 defenseman on his team for over a decade. Preissing has never been in the top 3. Assume Preissing is 2m cheaper than Schneider, what is your suggestion at that point? The Wings have 10m to spend on Hasek, Bert, and Schneider. If you assume that 5m goes to Hasek and Bert, and Schneider would cost 5m, that means if we opted for Preissing we'd have 2m extra. Exactly who do you suggest we could get for 2m that could make an impact?

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

The reason I brought up how Preissing relates to his teammates was to illustrate the fact that his plus-minus is an inflated number. He was the number 6 defenseman on the Sens and never played against top lines or on PK. He was no better offensively than several other guys, most of whom played significantly more time.

Schneider has been a #1 or #2 defenseman on his team for over a decade. Preissing has never been in the top 3. Assume Preissing is 2m cheaper than Schneider, what is your suggestion at that point? The Wings have 10m to spend on Hasek, Bert, and Schneider. If you assume that 5m goes to Hasek and Bert, and Schneider would cost 5m, that means if we opted for Preissing we'd have 2m extra. Exactly who do you suggest we could get for 2m that could make an impact?

"He was no better offensively than several other guys, most of whom played significantly more time." Well, duh, that's sort of my point eva. Nice of you to try and gloss over his numbers with that statement. How about glossing over this statement: HE LEAD ALL OTTAWA DEFENSMEN IN SCORING DESPITE PLAYING THE FEWEST MINUTES.

More minutes for him (which I think he can handle) could mean more points. The past 2 years Matty has averaged 15 points more/season than Priessing while playing over 23 minutes/game to Priessing's 15 minutes/game. Give Priessing another 5 minutes of icetime and more duty on the 2nd PP unit than he got in Ottawa and he'll make up much of that difference.

IMO, Priessing could put up near comparable numbers offensively if given Matty's slot. If you disagree then you disagree. I watched alot of the Sens and I like Priessing for many reasons, one of which is that he's a better skater than Matty and Priessing knows how to jump into the offensive attack down low while Matty is primarily a cannon from the blueline. Priessing is good at reading the play and jumping in the back door, Matty doesn't do that. So that's another dimension I like about Priessing's game.

As for the dollars, if I can sign a younger, bigger, guy who can provide pretty good offensive and is a wash defensively for the current guy i've got then i'll do it and pocket the savings of 2 million. Maybe I can't get somebody on opening night but that 2 mil comes in handy at the trade deadline.

Edited June 27, 2007 by GordieSid&Ted