Doan requests trade ?

[kylee 727]

remember back in july folks.

kenny talking about how he'd move some players for a top six forward.

shane doan?

ohh yeah.

id go this way:

Flip, Hudler and a 1st round.

but if that happened, the Wings have some holes in their lines.

if kenny could do this,

id be amazed, yet happy.

but again, deep down i feel like Phoenix would just be asking way too much like one

of the untouchables. ZDH or Lids.

Edited October 17, 2007 by kylee

[VM1138 1,921]

Don't have a problem with Hudler being used a trade bait; Filppula I'm so-so...I guess we could throw in a 1st round draft pick (preferrably a 2nd, or 3rd rounder, but I'd doubt they'd accept that) to seal the deal; just hope Doan would be healthy, & very productive for the next 4, or 5 years to make this move "worth it".

Now if a healthy Forsberg could be signed in a few months (or pick up Feds @ the trade deadline) - we'd have ourselves the making of 2 solid scoring lines

Either Federov, Forsberg, or Doan would be great additions. I would only give Hudler and a draft pick for Feds or Doan, though. Let's not open any holes in our line. I think a Doan-Flip-whoever they decide to put on this line other than Kopecky-- would be a good line and a huge improvement. Sure, giving up Hudler would suck, but you've got to give quality to receive quality, and we'd definitely be on the better end of the deal for a few years. Or even better, how about getting Doan and then signing Forsberg cheap for a lower-line addition?

[Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3]

I think Doan would be an awesome fit for the Wings. I also find it hard to believe this rumor. If Doan wanted out of Phoenix he would have hit the UFA market and ended up with a way better contract.

But IF something has changed since then I sure would be happy to see him come to Detroit. Hell as a Coyotes and Wings fan that is the only scenario where the Coyotes trade Doan and I'm not super pissed.

I would expect the Yotes to ask a very steep price for him since he's been the only solid player on their roster for the last few years pretty much, and the only real "untouchable" at every trade deadline. But then again, this is the same franchise that traded Briere and a 2nd for Chris Gratton and a 3rd

[redwingfan19 293]

Phoenix would ask the moon for Shane Doan, If we were going to give up the likes of kindl, filp,huds,kronner etc, I would also want phoenix to include Daniel Carcillo

[eva unit zero 271]

But then again, this is the same franchise that traded Briere and a 2nd for Chris Gratton and a 3rd

That trade happened six years ago. Briere is two years younger than Gratton. Gratton had scored about 150 goals and 440 points at that point, while Briere has only just passed the goals mark, and is still way off from the points mark. Gratton had been a 40 point player six times in his career, seven including the shortened 95 seaosn, and had posted 60+ points twice. Briere had scored 60 points once and was in his second 40+ point campaign, with worse scoring numbers than Gratton at the time. Gratton was big, could play physical, and was viewed at the time as an up and coming power forward. Nobody could have predicted he'd disappear the way he did after the consistent success he had had in his first few seasons. And besides...we get people pushing fo the same type of deal on here all the damn time.

[Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3]

That trade happened six years ago. Briere is two years younger than Gratton. Gratton had scored about 150 goals and 440 points at that point, while Briere has only just passed the goals mark, and is still way off from the points mark. Gratton had been a 40 point player six times in his career, seven including the shortened 95 seaosn, and had posted 60+ points twice. Briere had scored 60 points once and was in his second 40+ point campaign, with worse scoring numbers than Gratton at the time. Gratton was big, could play physical, and was viewed at the time as an up and coming power forward. Nobody could have predicted he'd disappear the way he did after the consistent success he had had in his first few seasons. And besides...we get people pushing fo the same type of deal on here all the damn time.

I'm aware of when the trade happened, that it was by a different GM, etc. Believe me, I lived in AZ when that s***ty trade went down. And that trade pissed me off. They traded their best offensive talent for Gratton, who in my opinion back then was no where near as good as Briere.

[eva unit zero 271]

I'm aware of when the trade happened, that it was by a different GM, etc. Believe me, I lived in AZ when that s***ty trade went down. And that trade pissed me off. They traded their best offensive talent for Gratton, who in my opinion back then was no where near as good as Briere.

Gratton's numbers with Buffalo that year are virtually identical to Briere's with Phoenix. You're saying you wouldn't trade Hudler for someone with similar numbers who was two years older, much bigger, and physical? Most people on this board have been begging for that deal.

[Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3]

To me Briere and Hudler is comparing apples to oranges at this point. Yes they are both undersized offensive talents, BUT at the time of the trade Briere was one of the few bright spots on the Coyotes roster scoring 32 goals (60pts) the year prior to the trade and 58 pts the year of the trade. It was obvious to any fan in Phoenix that Briere was a legit scorer. And at the time of the trade he was one of their top scorers.

Hudler has potential, but also 29 career points. He certainly isn't threatening to lead the team in scoring at this point.

So IMO, trading Briere for Gratton was trading a top player for what I consider a role player. Trading Hudler would be trading a top prospect.

So to tie it back to Doan, hell yeah man. Trade Hudler.

As far as comparing Briere and Gratton as having nearly identical numbers...

Briere went 15pts, 60pts, 58pts... was a young player that was just coming into his own

Gratton went 40pts, 39pts, 45pts.. consistent 40 point scorer a couple years older.

IMO Gratton showed a lot less potential at the time of the trade.

Can you tell I'm still bitter about that trade?

[OsGOD 3]

Now if a healthy Forsberg could be signed in a few months (AND pick up Feds @ the trade deadline) - we'd have ourselves the making of 2 solid scoring lines

Haha... I am game

[eva unit zero 271]

To me Briere and Hudler is comparing apples to oranges at this point. Yes they are both undersized offensive talents, BUT at the time of the trade Briere was one of the few bright spots on the Coyotes roster scoring 32 goals (60pts) the year prior to the trade and 58 pts the year of the trade. It was obvious to any fan in Phoenix that Briere was a legit scorer. And at the time of the trade he was one of their top scorers.

Hudler has potential, but also 29 career points. He certainly isn't threatening to lead the team in scoring at this point.

So IMO, trading Briere for Gratton was trading a top player for what I consider a role player. Trading Hudler would be trading a top prospect.

So to tie it back to Doan, hell yeah man. Trade Hudler.

Ok, I'll rephrase my point. Trading Briere for Gratton then would be like trading Datsyuk for Iginla now.

And to further the Iginla comparison...Gratton was a better scorer in his early 20s than Iginla was in his early 20s. Is it so hard to think that people thought Gratton was going to be the same kind of dominating offensive force given that fact? Philadelphia sure did, when they gave him a $10m contract.

EDIT: Gratton had 15 goals and 44 points in 66 games that season, compared to Briere's 17 and 46 in 68. Nearly identical. If Gratton doesn't completely bomb the rest of the season in Phoenix, he'd have scored about 20 goals and 55-60 points while being physically imposing. I don't know what happened to Gratton, but after Buffalo traded him he was never the same player.

Edited October 17, 2007 by eva unit zero

[Kutcher 0]

Ship Grigs and Huds or Flip and 2 !st rounders, since we draft 1st rounders in the 6th round. It would not bother me to trade anyone other than Zetts Dats Homer and Rafalski for Doan. I would just like to get a guy like him on our roster.

But like most said it probably won't happen since for some reason we are all for useless prospects since the lockout.

[Izzy24 44]

I wouldn't trade Chelios.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I can bet you ANYTHING that this rumor has piqued the interest of Mike Illitch. Shane Doan is EXACTLY the type of player that could bring Detroit fans back. Hes a second-level Shanahan, and would really give an identifiable face to this organization. Hockey is a business, and this is exactly the type of player that could pick up business for the Wings.

Detroit could work with selling off any of Kronwall, Filppula, Hudler, Sammy, or Franzen, and picks, and a package of some of these guys might actually work. Hell, I wouldnt be against Detroit trading off Rafalski AND Kronwall, if Morris was coming back our way as well.

At any rate, Detroit and Phoenix have been willing trade partners in the past.

[Hank 0]

Don't have a problem with Hudler being used a trade bait; Filppula I'm so-so...I guess we could throw in a 1st round draft pick (preferrably a 2nd, or 3rd rounder, but I'd doubt they'd accept that) to seal the deal; just hope Doan would be healthy, & very productive for the next 4, or 5 years to make this move "worth it".

Now if a healthy Forsberg could be signed in a few months (or pick up Feds @ the trade deadline) - we'd have ourselves the making of 2 solid scoring lines

I agree.

If we had to deal away Filpulla, Hudler and a 1st, I'd be okay with that.

Especially if we snagged Feds from the Bjackets at the deadline.

Fedorov-Datsyuk-Homer

Franzen-Zetterberg-Doan

Cleary-Draper-Sammy

Drake-Kopecky-Malts

Cup anyone?

[wingslogo19 281]

I wouldn't trade Chelios.

What's to stop Chelios from making this trade happen

[Guest jaytan]

Doan would be an all around fantastic addition to our lineup. I don't really care if we have to get rid of one or two of our disappointing young players to get him.

[Datsyukian Geek 2]

I would like seeing Doan in a Wings jersey, though it'd be interesting to see how low we could go to get him... :\

GIT R DONE, KENNY!

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

I agree.

If we had to deal away Filpulla, Hudler and a 1st, I'd be okay with that.

Especially if we snagged Feds from the Bjackets at the deadline.

Fedorov-Datsyuk-Homer

Franzen-Zetterberg-Doan

Cleary-Draper-Sammy

Drake-Kopecky-Malts

Cup anyone?

Yeah, but who would you trade for Fedorov? You've already dealt hudler, fillpulla, and a 1st rounder.

[Izzy24 44]

What's to stop Chelios from making this trade happen

I can't see anything from stopping him.

Get it done, Chelios.

[Heaton 1]

I can bet you ANYTHING that this rumor has piqued the interest of Mike Illitch. Shane Doan is EXACTLY the type of player that could bring Detroit fans back. Hes a second-level Shanahan, and would really give an identifiable face to this organization. Hockey is a business, and this is exactly the type of player that could pick up business for the Wings.

Detroit could work with selling off any of Kronwall, Filppula, Hudler, Sammy, or Franzen, and picks, and a package of some of these guys might actually work. Hell, I wouldnt be against Detroit trading off Rafalski AND Kronwall, if Morris was coming back our way as well.

At any rate, Detroit and Phoenix have been willing trade partners in the past.

Trading off Rafalski and Kronwall to bring in Doan and Morris is a MAJOR downgrade teamwise.

[ben_usmc 253]

what about putting meech, kopecky, sammy and a draft or something for Doan, none are amazing but sill enough guys to devlop or use as trade bait as well?

[Viperar 16]

Trading off Rafalski and Kronwall to bring in Doan and Morris is a MAJOR downgrade teamwise.

agreed

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Trading off Rafalski and Kronwall to bring in Doan and Morris is a MAJOR downgrade teamwise.

Im thinking long-term cap space.

Thats 9M tied up in those 2 guys for another 4 years at least.

[Hank 0]

The only issue with Doan being dealt is that the Coyotes are right at the floor of the Cap. If they deal him they'd need a big ticket player in return. Filpulla, Hudler, Kronwall really don't match that - unless you give up all of them.

If Doan is going to be dealt he'll more than likely go for someone like Dats. And we all know that won't happen. Besides, it's very rare a team will deal with another team in their conference.

If Doan were to get dealt (which I still doubt) I'd expect him to go to the East for someone who's close in age and salary.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

The only issue with Doan being dealt is that the Coyotes are right at the floor of the Cap. If they deal him they'd need a big ticket player in return. Filpulla, Hudler, Kronwall really don't match that - unless you give up all of them.

If Doan is going to be dealt he'll more than likely go for someone like Dats. And we all know that won't happen. Besides, it's very rare a team will deal with another team in their conference.

If Doan were to get dealt (which I still doubt) I'd expect him to go to the East for someone who's close in age and salary.

Doan wont touch Datsyuk with a 1700 mile pole...or however many miles it is from here to Phoenix.