puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 It is a fast moving game. But clearly you haven't played it. Players know when a save was huge, or routine. Even if a player doesn't see where the shot went, someone else did, and there is always communication. Roy was the best goaltender of his era, I would place Marty in a different era as his prime started at the end of Roy's career. As for Hasek, he was a great goaltender (he isn't half of what he was now), if you look at stats they are both quite similar. However, Roy not only won more Cups, he took his team to more Cup Finals than Hasek. We could sit here and argue all day about who has more hardware, but I gaurantee that Hasek would trade all of his Vezina's for one more Cup. True enough. Has Hasek played for a larger market team for a decade, and had some of the players in front of him that Wah and Brodie did, he would have more Cups, and perhaps fewer Vezinas. When you post the stats he did in Buffalo, it's not an accident or the result of funn/fuzzy math. He was good enough to set a number of NHL records which likely won't ever be broken. And you're dead right, that the players know what is going on -- what's a big save or just a puck the goalie got in the way of, not that there's anything wrong with that. Dom arguably has two Cups, IMO: the one he and the Sabres earned in 1999, and one in 2002, as starter for the Red Wings. Not that is matters to NHL purists, I guess, but what cemented Dom as the greatest ever was the 98 Olympics. He was unbelievable and unbeatable. The fact that he's European and was the first true superstar to jump that hurdle in the NHL has either endeared him to fans, or make them hate him because of where he was born. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Offsides 21 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 True enough. Has Hasek played for a larger market team for a decade, and had some of the players in front of him that Wah and Brodie did, he would have more Cups, and perhaps fewer Vezinas. This is true. If Dom played about 10 years here, say...he'd have 3 Cups and probably 0 Vezinas...because no goalie who plays in front of Detroit gets any credit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrSandMan Report post Posted November 18, 2007 I hope babs sits ozzy and plays hasek tonight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 I hope babs sits ozzy and plays hasek tonight I'd be all for that, since I can't imagine the Wings allowing what happened last night, with the errors and breakaways on Hasek, again tonight. Whomever is in goal will be the beneficiary of much better play, that's for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 (edited) This is true. If Dom played about 10 years here, say...he'd have 3 Cups and probably 0 Vezinas...because no goalie who plays in front of Detroit gets any credit. It's likely that, playing for a great team like the Wings, Dom would not have been a six time winner and that the team would have won Cups with him. He didn't have that luxury, but sure knew where to pitch his services when he got tired of beating his head against the wall, and decided to go where he could win. There are fans who don't believe anything, even if the evidence is blatant and incontrovertible. It's hard to say that back to back Vezina/Hart seasons were a mistake of some sort, regardless of what team Hasek was playing for. It always makes me laugh when fans say that Buffalo in '90s sucked - until Dom's role in putting the franchise on the map is brought up. Oh, wait, no, they didn't suck...they were great, and Hasek wasn't a factor. Makes me laugh every time I see that. You know how it feels, since I am sure the constant flip-flopping over the years, regarding Ozzie's the Greatest/Ozzie sucks has about driven you bonkers. Make up your minds, right? It's not just in Detroit that goalies don't get credit, although the over-reaction and piling on after 4 losses might make Motown the top contender for the "what have you done for me lately" award. Edited November 18, 2007 by puckloo39 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 I hope babs sits ozzy and plays hasek tonight Dom's a great goalie . but it makes no sense sitting the goaltender who's playing better right now . Ozzie's playing great . he deserve's his chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 Dom's a great goalie . but it makes no sense sitting the goaltender who's playing better right now . Ozzie's playing great . he deserve's his chance. I agree, we need a win right now. If we lose 4 in a row, there will be pandemonium on LGW, although I guess there's pandemonium already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 I agree, we need a win right now. If we lose 4 in a row, there will be pandemonium on LGW, although I guess there's pandemonium already. only if Dom is the losing goalie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 I'd be all for that, since I can't imagine the Wings allowing what happened last night, with the errors and breakaways on Hasek, again tonight. Whomever is in goal will be the beneficiary of much better play, that's for sure. As long as we score more than a third of the number of shots we allow (give up 12, score 4+; give up 15, score 5+; give up 18, score 6+; etc..), we should be fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Offsides 21 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 I agree, we need a win right now. If we lose 4 in a row, there will be pandemonium on LGW, although I guess there's pandemonium already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flip-check 6 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 Out of morbid curiosity, I'd like to see that thing break. I wonder if it ever has on here... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 that's about right . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 (edited) Out of morbid curiosity, I'd like to see that thing break. I wonder if it ever has on here... I've seen it spin around in circles before, Flip. Re: your new avatar, I am glad it is not Ozzie and Dom who don't like each other. ed: dbl post, sry Edited November 18, 2007 by puckloo39 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Offsides 21 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 Out of morbid curiosity, I'd like to see that thing break. I wonder if it ever has on here... Only in the playoffs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flip-check 6 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 I bet they get all catty Loo. Dom tosses his gear all over the place pre-game, Ozzie tells him to pick that s*** up, then just leaves his pads hanging in Dom's stall after the game... The things you never hear about! Only in the playoffs... I know, but I haven't quite seen that movie picture-esque blowup here - Yet. Like where literally everyone is flipping out and it's so insane it becomes somehow beautiful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 Only in the playoffs... nah , every time the Wings suffer a loss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrSandMan Report post Posted November 18, 2007 This forum will hit crisis lock down if we lose tonight with ozgod in net. Then what? Propose that we trade Zetter and Dats + $4.5 million for Bryz? Goalie bashing is getting OLD! Can we find no new material for the boards? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 (edited) I bet they get all catty Loo. Dom tosses his gear all over the place pre-game, Ozzie tells him to pick that s*** up, then just leaves his pads hanging in Dom's stall after the game... The things you never hear about! I know, but I haven't quite seen that movie picture-esque blowup here - Yet. Like where literally everyone is flipping out and it's so insane it becomes somehow beautiful. I am sure there are lots of things we don't hear about, Flip. Most of them are good. That's why we don't hear about them. Doesn't make such a good headline to state that the Wings support each other and like each other as a team. I've never actually seen this forum when the Wings are actually losing, since they virtually always wind up in first place in the regular season. As OS said, meter-busting freakouts only occur in the playoffs, when nothing is good enough except a Cup. Even then players and games are never quite good enough. You somehow have to win better than just winning. The 7-0 blowout v. the Avs might be the exception in 2002. But even then there were complaints -- Hasek got an easy shut out. Of course, he did. How idiotic is that??? Maybe the Canuck game where Nick revealed Cloutier as what he is... but I suspect there were doubts directed at some players in that game, as well. Never happy. Wonder what would happen if the wheels ever really did fall off. This forum will hit crisis lock down if we lose tonight with ozgod in net. Then what? Propose that we trade Zetter and Dats + $4.5 million for Bryz? Goalie bashing is getting OLD! Can we find no new material for the boards? I don't want Ozzie, or the Wings to lose. But if they do, there won't be any back-lash against Ozzie, and it's unlikely that if there is, he would deserve it. Edited November 18, 2007 by puckloo39 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
