Datsyuk's Goal

[toby91_ca 620]

So, I was just thinking. Those that are on Datsyuk's case heavily because he hasn't been scoring goals will probably look to last night and suggest that his goal was absolute garbage and doesn't really mean much.

I mean, they would be right, the goal was garbage and should have never happened, but does anyone think that this just might be the kind of goal that Datsyuk really needed and maybe this will be the beginning of him breaking out of this little funk?

I know some will say that he was never in a funk and he has been fine, but the fact is, he only had 2 goals in 17 games, so he was definately in a funk in terms of scoring goals.

[Guest Jeremy88]

He has been shooting more, and he's hit the goal post several times...I think this might propel him to become a scoring machine

[Hank 0]

So, I was just thinking. Those that are on Datsyuk's case heavily because he hasn't been scoring goals will probably look to last night and suggest that his goal was absolute garbage and doesn't really mean much.

I mean, they would be right, the goal was garbage and should have never happened, but does anyone think that this just might be the kind of goal that Datsyuk really needed and maybe this will be the beginning of him breaking out of this little funk?

I know some will say that he was never in a funk and he has been fine, but the fact is, he only had 2 goals in 17 games, so he was definately in a funk in terms of scoring goals.

I think so. It usually only takes a garbage goal to get some mojo back. Dats has a great shot. He just needs to use it more. But he has been shooting more than in years past so I'm sure this will be the beginning of some good things.

One thing that might be holding him back is that he knows he has a sniper on his line. He'd rather pass to Z than take the shot himself. But maybe after this goal, he'll have more confidence in himself to finish some plays.

[Offsides 21]

Sometimes all you have to do is break the ice...then it'll all come. Give him a little confidence back, you know? When everything's going wrong and you aren't getting any bounces, getting one could boost his confidence. I expect the slump to be over now.

[irishtemper14+25 11]

well the only thing i could see that made him not want to score is z's streak and he wanted to make sure he got a point from anything he did...w/e i thought it was a funny goal

[Guest LivingtheDream]

I have always been blown away by his wrister but his slap shot is no slouch either - his release is very quick and in either type of shot he seems to have, I don't know, like a really perfect form or something and a pretty quick release. No? The wrister can be deadly accurate so I hope to see more of that soon. You know, the way he likes to shoot between a D's legs and hit the top corner.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

So, I was just thinking. Those that are on Datsyuk's case heavily because he hasn't been scoring goals will probably look to last night and suggest that his goal was absolute garbage and doesn't really mean much.

I mean, they would be right, the goal was garbage and should have never happened, but does anyone think that this just might be the kind of goal that Datsyuk really needed and maybe this will be the beginning of him breaking out of this little funk?

I know some will say that he was never in a funk and he has been fine, but the fact is, he only had 2 goals in 17 games, so he was definately in a funk in terms of scoring goals.

That goal was a product of two things.

1. A lucky bounce that ate Legace up even though he was on top of his crease. Just one of those things.

2. Dats shot it from down the middle of the ice even if he was 100 feet away.

Dats' needs to be back at center where he can get his chances from the slot or even the right hand side of the ice. Having him on left wing as a left handed shooter is the reason he's not scoring. But we all know how I feel about this already.

As for your question, yes, I think it will help him. Scoring a goal always helps, I seldom find that it hurts your confidence so i'm looking for him to start getting more.

And when Babcock moves him back to center I fully expect everyone here to kiss my ass! J/K

[C-Dub 0]

I mean, they would be right, the goal was garbage and should have never happened, but does anyone think that this just might be the kind of goal that Datsyuk really needed and maybe this will be the beginning of him breaking out of this little funk?

Dang, my browser lost the post and the forum doesn't cache using the back button.

Anyway, my point was that Dats will be fine and doesn't care one way or another. He'll get his goals eventually. He IS productive after all, so what is there to worry about? Someone has got to assit Zetterberg's goals.

Edited November 15, 2007 by C-Dub

[Izzy24 44]

As far as breaking a slump, a goal is a goal. I think he'll be fine now.

[WingNutt 12]

So, I was just thinking. Those that are on Datsyuk's case heavily because he hasn't been scoring goals will probably look to last night and suggest that his goal was absolute garbage and doesn't really mean much.

I mean, they would be right, the goal was garbage and should have never happened, but does anyone think that this just might be the kind of goal that Datsyuk really needed and maybe this will be the beginning of him breaking out of this little funk?

I know some will say that he was never in a funk and he has been fine, but the fact is, he only had 2 goals in 17 games, so he was definately in a funk in terms of scoring goals.

First off, it wasn't a garbage goal in my opinion, he shot it on goal from the blueline and it beat Legace clean, yes it took a weird bounce but Legace should have saved it and didn't, not a garbage goal .

secondly, you talk about Pavel being in a funk?? the guy is averaging a point or more in every game?? Just because he has not scored as many goals yet, doesen't mean he is not contributing offensively. He prefers to set others up over scoring and he has done just that, Homer and Z wouldn't have scored as many goals as they have without the help of Pavel setting them up brilliantly, don't take it wrong, Z and Homer will score no matter what not trying to take it away from them, but Pavel does more than most give him credit for. Same as Cleary that guy bust his ass every night and scores in streaks but that doesen't mean he is in a funk, he contributes in other ways to help the "TEAM" win.

for anyone who has not seen the goal or what like to see it again, you can see it at nhl.com or go to Pavel's offical website www.datsyuk13.com and check out all the other cool Datsyuk videos.

Edited November 15, 2007 by WingNutt

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

First off, it wasn't a garbage goal in my opinion, he shot it on goal from the blueline and it beat Legace clean, yes it took a weird bounce but Legace should have saved it and didn't, not a garbage goal .

secondly, you talk about Pavel being in a funk?? the guy is averaging a point or more in every game?? Just because he has not scored as many goals yet, doesen't mean he is not contributing offensively. He prefers to set others up over scoring and he has done just that, Homer and Z wouldn't have scored as many goals as they have without the help of Pavel setting them up brilliantly, don't take it wrong, Z and Homer will score no matter what not trying to take it away from them, but Pavel does more than most give him credit for. Same as Cleary that guy bust his ass every night and scores in streaks but that doesen't mean he is in a funk, he contributes in other ways to help the "TEAM" win.

for anyone who has not seen the goal or what like to see it again, you can see it at nhl.com or go to Pavel's offical website www.datsyuk13.com and check out all the other cool Datsyuk videos.

I was waiting for you to defend the goal he scored. Wingnutt we all know you defend Russians to your dying breath. But when a goalie should save a goal that goes in, that's not a good goal. That's a lucky and/or garbage goal. That's the definition.

Unless you think Datsyuk intentionally shot that knowing it would bounce and carve over to the left and beat Legace?

It was a fluke and it was garbage. It was a lucky goal. You can defend Russians but don't be an absolute homer about it.

PS: Dats is on pace for 77 points and his worst season in 3 years. Just thought you should know that. So no, he's not on a point per game pace anymore.

Edited November 15, 2007 by GordieSid&Ted

[WingNutt 12]

I was waiting for you to defend the goal he scored. Wingnutt we all know you defend Russians to your dying breath. But when a goalie should save a goal that goes in, that's not a good goal. That's a lucky and/or garbage goal. That's the definition.

Unless you think Datsyuk intentionally shot that knowing it would bounce and carve over to the left and beat Legace?

It was a fluke and it was garbage. It was a lucky goal. You can defend Russians but don't be an absolute homer about it.

PS: Dats is on pace for 77 points and his worst season in 3 years. Just thought you should know that. So no, he's not on a point per game pace anymore.

As I knew you would appear to call me on it as well It has nothing to do that, it could have been Filppula and I would have said the same thing, and hes a Fin.

I play goalie and don't consider every "weak" goal I allow to be garbarge just because "I" should have saved it?? Every goal should be saved in a goaltender mindset. so as someone stated above not all the players in the league can put a shot on goal from that distance, I've seen players miss a wide open net from the hashmarks.

so with that said I think yes, it might have been a little bit of luck, but that doesen't mean Pavel wasn't trying to score and his shot was garbage, Garbage would have been a wide shot bounced off the back of the boards and coming to the front of the net, and off the goalies skate in that would have been cheap.

anyways good to finally have a good old fashion debate with my pal Gord-Sid-and-Ted.

you've expressed you thoughts on the goal, what about the ones who think Pavel is in a funk, while he is in the top 15 in assist?

the D-Z-H line will be ok, how can anyone on the hottest line in hockey be in a slump?

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

As I knew you would appear to call me on it as well It has nothing to do that, it could have been Filppula and I would have said the same thing, and hes a Fin.

I play goalie and don't consider every "weak" goal I allow to be garbarge just because "I" should have saved it?? Every goal should be saved in a goaltender mindset. so as someone stated above not all the players in the league can put a shot on goal from that distance, I've seen players miss a wide open net from the hashmarks.

so with that said I think yes, it might have been a little bit of luck, but that doesen't mean Pavel wasn't trying to score and his shot was garbage, Garbage would have been a wide shot bounced off the back of the boards and coming to the front of the net, and off the goalies skate in that would have been cheap.

anyways good to finally have a good old fashion debate with my pal Gord-Sid-and-Ted.

you've expressed you thoughts on the goal, what about the ones who think Pavel is in a funk, while he is in the top 15 in assist?

the D-Z-H line will be ok, how can anyone on the hottest line in hockey be in a slump?

As for slumping, I think Dats is in a goal scoring slump. You can't tell me at the beginning of the season you thought he'd only have 3 goals in 18 games. I started a thread last week about Pavel and I specifically said he was playing pretty well and was definitely contributing but IMO, he should be moved back to center and let Zetterberg play the left wing. I don't think Dats is getting enough quality looks being a left hand shot on the left side. He seems to score more and get better chances when he's in the slot (as most of us do) and IMO, Zetterberg is more comfortable than Datsyuk playing left wing. I'm not bagging on Dats (by the way he was my 1st round pick in fantasy hockey this year ) I just think his production would be better if he were moved back to center.

As for the goal, luck or garbage. I guess those can be differentiated. I'll concede it wasn't "garbage" per say if you'll concede that any shot that goes in from 100 feet away on an unscreened goalie on top of his crease is luck. That's not a goal that should ever go in and a fortunate, ie. "lucky" bounce is what caused the goal to happen.

I don't think people should be ragging on Datsyuk as he has played well all over the ice, I just think his numbers would be better back at center. A thought that seems to bear some credence as his numbers are down all around since he's been stuck on left wing.

[WingNutt 12]

As for slumping, I think Dats is in a goal scoring slump. You can't tell me at the beginning of the season you thought he'd only have 3 goals in 18 games. I started a thread last week about Pavel and I specifically said he was playing pretty well and was definitely contributing but IMO, he should be moved back to center and let Zetterberg play the left wing. I don't think Dats is getting enough quality looks being a left hand shot on the left side. He seems to score more and get better chances when he's in the slot (as most of us do) and IMO, Zetterberg is more comfortable than Datsyuk playing left wing. I'm not bagging on Dats (by the way he was my 1st round pick in fantasy hockey this year ) I just think his production would be better if he were moved back to center.

As for the goal, luck or garbage. I guess those can be differentiated. I'll concede it wasn't "garbage" per say if you'll concede that any shot that goes in from 100 feet away on an unscreened goalie on top of his crease is luck. That's not a goal that should ever go in and a fortunate, ie. "lucky" bounce is what caused the goal to happen.

I don't think people should be ragging on Datsyuk as he has played well all over the ice, I just think his numbers would be better back at center. A thought that seems to bear some credence as his numbers are down all around since he's been stuck on left wing.

well said , I'm with you entirely on this one Gord scary huh? I think Datsyuk would be better off playing center as well. It would give him more room to setup plays from both sides, and not restrict him to the left. For some reason though Babcock doesen't like having Z on the wing, but I believe Z has played their well over the past few years,we'll see how things go. Datsyuk should pick up some goals soon though he has had a ton of chances but nothing was going in for him. As long as one of our guys is hitting the back of the net, I'm good.

lucky bounce yes, but garbage I don't think.

take care Gord, I'll see you around the forums as always.

[Guest jaytan]

I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's not like goals mean all that much in November. I'd rather have him have a scoring cold streak now than in the playoffs when I expect it to come.