Sundin

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

ummmmmmmmm no lol , not giving all that up for rentals

Tucker is locked down for 3 years. Not a rental. Since Holland is the best GM, and Fergie is the worst, we could probably get the Leafs to pay 1.5 mil of his salary for the whole 3 years, so his hit would be at 1.5. Good deal.

Sundin brings, leadership, scoring, size, everything. He might only be around for the playoffs, or maybe we re-sign him, who knows.

What is this "all that" you speak of? Hudler is a career 2nd liner with potential to get 35 goals. Not anything special. Kindl could end up being a good d-man, but we have alot of good young defenceman in the system already. Kenny may be losing 2 picks, but if he wanted picks badly enough, he could trade off guys like Sammy, Franzen, Meech etc. for picks at the draft if need be.

[VM1138 1,921]

I like Sundin and all, but every time we fans think there is a problem with scoring on the Wings, they go on a streak blowing opponents out of the water. I think we're simply overreacting to a lost game here and there. We really don't need a rental, especiallya t the cost of our young guys. Scoring or not, everyone is contributing in some way out there, and I'd hate to lsoe any of them. Except for maybe Kopecky or Lilja.

[HenryMalredo 2]

Tucker is locked down for 3 years. Not a rental. Since Holland is the best GM, and Fergie is the worst, we could probably get the Leafs to pay 1.5 mil of his salary for the whole 3 years, so his hit would be at 1.5. Good deal.

Thats not allowed under the new CBA

[Guest wingswillwincup]

Tucker is locked down for 3 years. Not a rental. Since Holland is the best GM, and Fergie is the worst, we could probably get the Leafs to pay 1.5 mil of his salary for the whole 3 years, so his hit would be at 1.5. Good deal.

Sundin brings, leadership, scoring, size, everything. He might only be around for the playoffs, or maybe we re-sign him, who knows.

What is this "all that" you speak of? Hudler is a career 2nd liner with potential to get 35 goals. Not anything special. Kindl could end up being a good d-man, but we have alot of good young defenceman in the system already. Kenny may be losing 2 picks, but if he wanted picks badly enough, he could trade off guys like Sammy, Franzen, Meech etc. for picks at the draft if need be.

i doubt we could get the leafs to pay 1.5 of tuckers salary lol , nice try ...... plus were gonna need our money to resign alot of guys ....zetterberg,franzen,cleary,filppula etc ...

What is this "all that" you speak of? Hudler is a career 2nd liner with potential to get 35 goals. Not anything special ------ not anything special ??? what you think 2nd line players who can get 30+ goals grow on trees ?? Trust me there not as easy to come by as you may think , sundin as much as i like him btw and would maybe want him for a run hes not gonna be here after that simply cause we cant afford it he would command a nice big salary and we got enough high priced guys on the team and zetterberg is due after next season

we do have some nice d men in our system but kindl could very well be our best , a top 2 guy , there not easy to come by and if we traded our picks like it was nothing then we wouldnt have the guys we got our team now and some nice prospects , we'd simply be the leafs ........ i dont know why you'd mention franzen , hes been struggling a bit this season but he was out for a while and theres still 50+ games left he'll come around , hes a key player for us and wont go anywhere

I like Sundin and all, but every time we fans think there is a problem with scoring on the Wings, they go on a streak blowing opponents out of the water. I think we're simply overreacting to a lost game here and there. We really don't need a rental, especiallya t the cost of our young guys. Scoring or not, everyone is contributing in some way out there, and I'd hate to lsoe any of them. Except for maybe Kopecky or Lilja.

i like kopecky , as for lilja i simply can't wait till his contract is up after this season and hes gone

Thats not allowed under the new CBA

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then thats even more reason not to take tucker

[Guest DetroitIan]

Morning all, sitting in the aftermath of the snow storm is fun stuff. Any who lets get down to business. I was on mlive.com and came across this article, I know this should probably be in trade rumor board but thought I would post here. Apparently as stated earlier on this season, the wings might be making a push for Mats Sundin. The sweeden connection want him here in Detroit, and has told holland to get it done. What do you think we give up for Mats? And would you like doing this? I think this would be amazing depending upon who we give up he would revitilze some scoring that we need and add to the size issue. And he would be hungry to want to win with a winning organization like Detroit. Thoughts? Here is the link to http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/ go down to where it says Sundin Rumor doesnt hold up.

IMO as long as we dont lose any of our superstars, I am all for getting Mats in the winged wheel. He would be a great fit on this squad. I would be willing to give up any of our young guys AND picks to get Sundin in Detroit. But honestly, I doubt the Leafs will give him up.

[2probert4 8]

Morning all, sitting in the aftermath of the snow storm is fun stuff. Any who lets get down to business. I was on mlive.com and came across this article, I know this should probably be in trade rumor board but thought I would post here. Apparently as stated earlier on this season, the wings might be making a push for Mats Sundin. The sweeden connection want him here in Detroit, and has told holland to get it done. What do you think we give up for Mats? And would you like doing this? I think this would be amazing depending upon who we give up he would revitilze some scoring that we need and add to the size issue. And he would be hungry to want to win with a winning organization like Detroit. Thoughts? Here is the link to http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/ go down to where it says Sundin Rumor doesnt hold up.

Leafs wont trade Sundin, that tells all the Leaf fans WE GIVE UP..... Just the Canadian media doing their thing again, and that's making up rumors. I heard that writer in Edmonton also moonlights for some of the US Soap Opera story writers from time to time.

[Guest wingswillwincup]

Leafs wont trade Sundin, that tells all the Leaf fans WE GIVE UP..... Just the Canadian media doing their thing again, and that's making up rumors. I heard that writer in Edmonton also moonlights for some of the US Soap Opera story writers from time to time.

the trade deadline they would if ( which they will be lol ) they are out of the playoff run , id love to see sundin here im just not willing to trade any top guys for a guy who will only be here for 2 months , lets face it we wont be able to afford signing him to a 2-3 yr extention at like 5 -6 mill per with zetterbrgs big deal coming unless lidstrom resigns for 500k a year which wont happen

[LeftWinger 5,152]

...forget Tucker...

...Sudin & Fedorov at the deadline, or sooner...

...of course Sudin ONLY if it's a sign and trade or we can get a 3 year deal with him. Fedorov will be here no matter what and he will re-sign for pennies on the dollar to finish his career here. Sundin can retire a Leaf after winning two or three Cups here...

...Hudler can go, Kopecks can go. DO NOT trade anyone from the prospects list, it's because of our prospects that Hudler and Kopecks are expendible. Kindl will be up in Lilja's spot next year or at least splitting time with him...

[Guest DetroitIan]

...forget Tucker...

...Sudin & Fedorov at the deadline, or sooner...

...of course Sudin ONLY if it's a sign and trade or we can get a 3 year deal with him. Fedorov will be here no matter what and he will re-sign for pennies on the dollar to finish his career here. Sundin can retire a Leaf after winning two or three Cups here...

...Hudler can go, Kopecks can go. DO NOT trade anyone from the prospects list, it's because of our prospects that Hudler and Kopecks are expendible. Kindl will be up in Lilja's spot next year or at least splitting time with him...

Sometimes I hate to admit it, but I would be extremely pumped if we got #91 back.

[akustyk 84]

Sundin is a Leaf. period.

as much as I'd love to see a player of his leadership and his ability to drag whole team with his sheer will... it's just not right. it's like Ray Bourque leaving Boston. wrong. just wrong

I'm for him staying in Toronto. yes, I'd absolutely love my Wings to have him, but Sundin is a Maple Leaf. period

[larionov_8 12]

I think the last few posts are right on the money. If Sundin goes anywhere, it seems likely that he'll be heading right on back to Toronto the following season. Lord knows that the leafs need some help, so it's possible they may trade him. But for Detroit, I don't see any reason in giving up more than a draft pick and maybe a prospect getting on the older side. But I can't really justify trading away any roster player like Hudler, and certainly not a guy just out of junior like Kindl. Sammy maybe. But Antropov is terrible, and Tucker is, I think, legally insane and I wouldn't want either of these guys as part of a package.

Considering all of this, it's likely that another team could offer up a higher pick or better player than Detroit could for Sundin. But Sundin won't be the only name floating around come deadline time. This is purely speculation, but my San Jose oriented pal expects that if the Sharks don't turn things around, Cheechoo or Marleau could be on the move. I've heard people on this board mention Murray...Boston also has other gems such as Savard. I have no idea about the contract status of any of these guys, but my point is that Sundin is not the only option out there, so we shouldn't feel that we *must* give up a lot to pick up Mats (in fact, I insist that we can lure him here will Campbell's Chunky Seafood Chowder)

[wingslogo19 281]

Sundin is a Leaf. period.

as much as I'd love to see a player of his leadership and his ability to drag whole team with his sheer will... it's just not right. it's like Ray Bourque leaving Boston. wrong. just wrong

I'm for him staying in Toronto. yes, I'd absolutely love my Wings to have him, but Sundin is a Maple Leaf. period

Well Ray wasn't going to win a cup with the B's, so he left for the Avs where he knew he had a great chance to win a cup and did for his last year... If Sundin wants to win a cup before he retires why not come to the wings .. Though IMO the deal won't happen, im just saying

[lfd250 1]

Can we get past Christmas before bidding on players that may not have a chance in heck to move?

[Rice 42]

But Antropov is terrible, and Tucker is, I think, legally insane and I wouldn't want either of these guys as part of a package.

Antropov has actually been very good this season.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

For the first 12 games yes, ever since then he's been absolutely atrocious. Antropov of 05/06 like.

[Guest DetroitIan]

I think the last few posts are right on the money. If Sundin goes anywhere, it seems likely that he'll be heading right on back to Toronto the following season. Lord knows that the leafs need some help, so it's possible they may trade him. But for Detroit, I don't see any reason in giving up more than a draft pick and maybe a prospect getting on the older side. But I can't really justify trading away any roster player like Hudler, and certainly not a guy just out of junior like Kindl. Sammy maybe. But Antropov is terrible, and Tucker is, I think, legally insane and I wouldn't want either of these guys as part of a package.

Considering all of this, it's likely that another team could offer up a higher pick or better player than Detroit could for Sundin. But Sundin won't be the only name floating around come deadline time. This is purely speculation, but my San Jose oriented pal expects that if the Sharks don't turn things around, Cheechoo or Marleau could be on the move. I've heard people on this board mention Murray...Boston also has other gems such as Savard. I have no idea about the contract status of any of these guys, but my point is that Sundin is not the only option out there, so we shouldn't feel that we *must* give up a lot to pick up Mats (in fact, I insist that we can lure him here will Campbell's Chunky Seafood Chowder)

Say what!!??? Dude, you may wanna watch a few Leafs games before you say stuff that make you look dumb. Or hell, check a stats sheet sometime. Antropov has been GREAT for the Leafs this season. And he's having the best start of his career.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I've seen many Leaf games - Antro is nothing special IMO...Give him another month or 2 to get injured, or watch his scoring capabilities dry up.

Agreed. I've watched all the leafs games this season, and Antropov was good for the first 10 or so games, But lately he's been terrible. His problem is he isnt very smart, and he's too lanky for his own good. If he was 6'1 and had some hockey sense he'd be a great player. Ponikarovski is a much better overall player for my money.

[MacK_Attack 108]

For the first 12 games yes, ever since then he's been absolutely atrocious. Antropov of 05/06 like.

He did a pretty solid job of shutting Crosby down last night. He's been close to a point-per-game (including 5 points in the last three games) and a great contributor most nights. Plus, he's only played on a regular line with Sundin the last few games. He had been putting up points playing with guys like Devereaux and Kilger.

To say he's been atrocious is a fairly ignorant statement.

Edited December 3, 2007 by MacK_Attack

[Guest DetroitIan]

He did a pretty solid job of shutting Crosby down last night. He's been close to a point-per-game (including 5 points in the last three games) and a great contributor most nights. Plus, he's only played on a regular line with Sundin the last few games. He had been putting up points playing with guys like Devereraux and Kilger.

To say he's been atrocious is a fairly ignorant statement.

Exactly. Took the words right outta my mouth. And I would say its a very ignorant statement. Ive only missed a few Leafs games all year. And every game ive watched, I see Antropov contributing in some way. I guaruntee some people here would give him a little more props if he played for the Red Wings.

Edited December 3, 2007 by DetroitIan

[wingslogo19 281]

I would like Tucker. He's a guy you hate to play against, but would love to have on your team

[Lou_Siffer 1]

i agree with the other guy , sundin would be nice but hes gonna be a rental and it doesnt guarantee us a cup , he will go back to the leafs at seasons end and im not willing to give up a potential 30 goal scorer ( hudler, whos been playing really great lately) and kindl who has the potential to be a top defensemen and play lots of minutes AND a 2nd rounder

no thanks

your crazy , i dont know why you hate hudler as much as you do but you'd have to be stupid to trade the guy away now the way hes playing for a rental player who wont even guarantee us anything , besides our first line we dont really have much on the offensive side and you wanna trade hudler??? we dont have much top offensive prospects either

If it takes too much for sundin then we just move on and thats it , not gonna trade our whole future for a 2 month player , holland wont be stupid and do that trade either he held out for bertuzzi even though hes been unproven and gave up a pick and a 3rd line potential prospect

How does me wanting to trade Hudler equate to me hating him? Its about me not seeing a player like Hudler fitting in long term here. With Z, Datsyuk, and Flip being in the top 6, there needs to be more size added as well as more of a physical dimension. Sorry, but i value Flip's potential more than Hudler's so thats why i'd like to see him dealt off for something. The Hudler craze going on here is a little overboard if you ask me, people are acting like he's on pace for 35 or 40 goals or something, rather than the 19 he actually is. All you are willing to part with is guys who will get us jack s*** in return, you dont seem to have much concept of how the trade world works. I have a feeling you're one of the guys who believes packaging Maltby, Drake, Ellis, and Meech all together will get a good player in return. IT WONT. Its about quality, not quantity. If you're against trading Flip, Hudler, and Kindl, just forget about anything of significance coming our way.

[HenryMalredo 2]

Gotta remember boys, & girls - Chelios swore he's never wear the Winged Wheel on his chest, & was a loyal "Hawk" thru & thru (well things have changed haven't they?).....Think Mats will want to return to Toronto after a few games with all his Swedish buddies, & join a team with a winning spirit, & a damn good chance of winning it all?

The Wings wouldn't have the cap space to resign Sundin.

[Guest wingswillwincup]

How does me wanting to trade Hudler equate to me hating him? Its about me not seeing a player like Hudler fitting in long term here. With Z, Datsyuk, and Flip being in the top 6, there needs to be more size added as well as more of a physical dimension. Sorry, but i value Flip's potential more than Hudler's so thats why i'd like to see him dealt off for something. The Hudler craze going on here is a little overboard if you ask me, people are acting like he's on pace for 35 or 40 goals or something, rather than the 19 he actually is. All you are willing to part with is guys who will get us jack s*** in return, you dont seem to have much concept of how the trade world works. I have a feeling you're one of the guys who believes packaging Maltby, Drake, Ellis, and Meech all together will get a good player in return. IT WONT. Its about quality, not quantity. If you're against trading Flip, Hudler, and Kindl, just forget about anything of significance coming our way.

listen to me for once and for all , i understand what the concept of how a trad works , what you dont seem to understand is im not willing to part with top prospects and young players with potential for a rental ... got it ?? And i dont think hudler is on pace for for 40 goals thats ridiculous , hes on pace for possibily a 20 goal season which is pretty dam good if you ask me considering the ice time he gets , i do think hes got the potential to be a 30 goal scorer in the nhl and those dont come easy , and again ... not willing to give that up for a guy who will play here 2 months

I have a feeling you're one of the guys who believes packaging Maltby, Drake, Ellis, and Meech all together will get a good player in return. IT WONT ---------- Im not , but again im not gonna package good players for a rental , if your talking about a guy who is good coming in return who will be here another 2-3 yrs then go for it , for a rental ?? your insain

If you're against trading Flip, Hudler, and Kindl, just forget about anything of significance coming our way. ---------- Then i will , but more importantly you should forget about trading those guys in the near future cause holland isnt an idiot

later

The Wings wouldn't have the cap space to resign Sundin.

exactly so your shipping young talent for a 2 month rental who doesnt guarantee us a cup , that is why the wings will continue to be a top team cause they wont do stupid trades like that

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

listen to me for once and for all , i understand what the concept of how a trad works , what you dont seem to understand is im not willing to part with top prospects and young players with potential for a rental ... got it ?? And i dont think hudler is on pace for for 40 goals thats ridiculous , hes on pace for possibily a 20 goal season which is pretty dam good if you ask me considering the ice time he gets , i do think hes got the potential to be a 30 goal scorer in the nhl and those dont come easy , and again ... not willing to give that up for a guy who will play here 2 months

I have a feeling you're one of the guys who believes packaging Maltby, Drake, Ellis, and Meech all together will get a good player in return. IT WONT ---------- Im not , but again im not gonna package good players for a rental , if your talking about a guy who is good coming in return who will be here another 2-3 yrs then go for it , for a rental ?? your insain

If you're against trading Flip, Hudler, and Kindl, just forget about anything of significance coming our way. ---------- Then i will , but more importantly you should forget about trading those guys in the near future cause holland isnt an idiot

later

exactly so your shipping young talent for a 2 month rental who doesnt guarantee us a cup , that is why the wings will continue to be a top team cause they wont do stupid trades like that

He's the best GM in the league. He also knows that this is our last great oppurtunity at the cup. People on here think Hudler, Kindl, Filpula are great players with untapped potential who will be stars. Well, I seriously doubt Holland agrees. If he gets a deal for someone like Sundin and the last part of the deal would be to throw in Kindl or Hudler, 9 times out of 10 he makes the deal for sure.

He's done it in the past, and he will do it again. It's what makes him the #1 GM in the league.

[Guest wingswillwincup]

He's the best GM in the league. He also knows that this is our last great oppurtunity at the cup. People on here think Hudler, Kindl, Filpula are great players with untapped potential who will be stars. Well, I seriously doubt Holland agrees. If he gets a deal for someone like Sundin and the last part of the deal would be to throw in Kindl or Hudler, 9 times out of 10 he makes the deal for sure.

He's done it in the past, and he will do it again. It's what makes him the #1 GM in the league.

he refused to do so with guerin at the deadline , thats why he held out for bertuzzi so he wouldnt give up top players

He wont trade top prospects for a rental regardless , all those teams that gave up top young guys last year were teams that had no shot at winning the cup