up2here 41 Report post Posted January 2, 2008 TSN reports that he has cleared re-entry waivers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wingswillwincup Report post Posted January 2, 2008 why are we still talking about samsonov ??? the guy sucks lol his nhl career is over Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2008 TSN reports that he has cleared re-entry waivers. Was this on TV? I checked the site, they didn't have anything. If he did clear, I don't understand the move. Why put him on re-entry waivers so soon after waiving him if there wasn't another team to pick him up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted January 2, 2008 Was this on TV? I checked the site, they didn't have anything. If he did clear, I don't understand the move. Why put him on re-entry waivers so soon after waiving him if there wasn't another team to pick him up? TSN Ice Chips heres the link. I beleive the point was so they can send him to the minors and only be on the hook for half of his salary,but I could be wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2008 TSN Ice Chips heres the link. I beleive the point was so they can send him to the minors and only be on the hook for half of his salary,but I could be wrong. That's really odd. Regardless if he was in the minors or the NHL, the Hawks would still have to pay him. The half his salary you are thinking about is if any team would have claimed him, they would have had to pay only 50% of his salary, while the Hawks picked up the other 50%. This move doesn't make any sense to me. If they wanted to demote him, then they why would that have brought him back to the NHL? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted January 2, 2008 That's really odd. Regardless if he was in the minors or the NHL, the Hawks would still have to pay him. The half his salary you are thinking about is if any team would have claimed him, they would have had to pay only 50% of his salary, while the Hawks picked up the other 50%. This move doesn't make any sense to me. If they wanted to demote him, then they why would that have brought him back to the NHL? Im not sure what you mean by "Brought him back to the NHL",but while hes in the minors I dont think any of his salary is counted against the cap. The move is purely financial as I see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 2, 2008 I knew there would be people wanting him here once this story broke, but to play on the forth line?? Oh, Lord..... Mats and Foppa is my hope. Forget BOTH Sergei's!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Im not sure what you mean by "Brought him back to the NHL",but while hes in the minors I dont think any of his salary is counted against the cap. The move is purely financial as I see it. It's true that his salary wouldn't count against the cap if he were to be assigned to the Hawks minor league affiliate. However, he never was. He cleared waivers, was put on re-entry waiver, cleared re-entry waivers, and now is again part of the Hawks NHL roster. I would buy the financial move if he was assigned to the minors. But he wasn't, so this couldn't be a move to save any cap space. The only reason I see the Hawks placing him on re-entry waivers would be because a team had some interest in him, but no one claimed him. Doesn't make sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 It's true that his salary wouldn't count against the cap if he were to be assigned to the Hawks minor league affiliate. However, he never was. He cleared waivers, was put on re-entry waiver, cleared re-entry waivers, and now is again part of the Hawks NHL roster. I would buy the financial move if he was assigned to the minors. But he wasn't, so this couldn't be a move to save any cap space. The only reason I see the Hawks placing him on re-entry waivers would be because a team had some interest in him, but no one claimed him. Doesn't make sense. But they can now send him to the minors anytime.My guess is that is what they intended to do until Toews got hurt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 (edited) But they can now send him to the minors anytime.My guess is that is what they intended to do until Toews got hurt. He does if he plays more than 10+ games or is on the NHL roster for 30+ days. If they want to keep him to take Toews spot, he very easily could play 10 games as the Hawks has 13 left this month. Also, per TSN. "To fill the roster spot, the club has called up forward Kris Versteeg from Rockford of the American Hockey League. " This was speaking about the roster spot vacated by Toews. Edited January 3, 2008 by imisssergei Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Darren Dreger was talking about him on TSN tonight, he said there was 0 interest in Samsonov on waivers and very little on re-entry. Guys NHL career is over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 He does if he plays more than 10+ games or is on the NHL roster for 30+ days. If they want to keep him to take Toews spot, he very easily could play 10 games as the Hawks has 13 left this month. Also, per TSN. "To fill the roster spot, the club has called up forward Kris Versteeg from Rockford of the American Hockey League. " This was speaking about the roster spot vacated by Toews. Just read on TSN he was sent to the AHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEVILSWATERBOY 10 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Wings fans be patient we dont want to grab the first player to hit the market the wings have 5mil open to get a few players if they are needed, lets face it they are playing very well this year and with expereiance of last season this team maybe ready to take that step into the finals. I am a Samsonov fan have been since his Viper days but I say no way in Detroit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Just read on TSN he was sent to the AHL. I just read the article, and it didn't say anything about him clearing re-entry waivers. Only that he cleared waivers and was assigned to the minors. I wonder if this article was written before he was placed on re-entry waivers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted January 3, 2008 I just read the article, and it didn't say anything about him clearing re-entry waivers. Only that he cleared waivers and was assigned to the minors. I wonder if this article was written before he was placed on re-entry waivers. No, he had to clear re-entry before they could send him down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted January 4, 2008 I gotta say, I wasn't really surprised to see no one claim Samsonov off of waivers. But I really expected someone to snag him with the re-entry waivers. Looks like he's gonna have to lower his future asking price quite a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted January 4, 2008 29 years old, has any one in recent memory ever fallen so far so fast. It was almost like he left Boston and forgot to bring his offense with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted January 4, 2008 29 years old, has any one in recent memory ever fallen so far so fast. It was almost like he left Boston and forgot to bring his offense with him. It is a head scratcher thats for sure. When he was in Edmonton he actually scared me when he had the puck against us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StormJH1 231 Report post Posted January 4, 2008 It is a head scratcher thats for sure. When he was in Edmonton he actually scared me when he had the puck against us. That acquisition has Kyle Calder written all over it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 There's a lot of teams that are sorry because they put too much stock into those exact attributes you mention. If a guy has no heart, those other things don't matter. I always liked Samsonov,if any team can revive his career it would be Detroit. Reviving careers works with your Chris Chelios and Dan Cleary guys with work ethic, and Detroit has a great ability to find guys who punch the clock and sweat, give them a chance and make them better than ever. This same equation doesn't work with guys like Samsonov, Yashin, etc. because of they extreme hype and sad work ethic. What you do with these guys is take passengers on a ship already set and sailing fine, throw in their baggage, pay check, and inability to pull the load, and next thing you know, s*** ain't steering right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Reviving careers works with your Chris Chelios and Dan Cleary guys with work ethic, and Detroit has a great ability to find guys who punch the clock and sweat, give them a chance and make them better than ever. This same equation doesn't work with guys like Samsonov, Yashin, etc. because of they extreme hype and sad work ethic. What you do with these guys is take passengers on a ship already set and sailing fine, throw in their baggage, pay check, and inability to pull the load, and next thing you know, s*** ain't steering right. exactly ... throw him on a line with pavel or hank and i'm sure we could revive his statistics and make him appear to be worth another fat contract, but come playoff time when it's all about heart and effort i don't think we'd want him anywhere near our team ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 the only thing i would do for him is give him a tryout at training camp, if he really wants to play north american hockey, play hard and practice harder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 on waivers again, as said on hockeybuzz "any takers?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackhawksFan 4 Report post Posted January 8, 2008 As poorly as Samsonov has performed this season, despite his outrageous price tag, I would pick him up. Don't take him. So very, very frusturating. He's done with the NHL, let alone the Hawks. I feel sorry for the guy, but what can you do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2008 Don't take him. So very, very frusturating. He's done with the NHL, let alone the Hawks. I feel sorry for the guy, but what can you do? He isn't done, someone will take a chance on him next season. I think he just needs a coach like Keenan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
