Could Hossa come to Red Wings?

[sibiriak 84]

Hossa is a great player.

There just two "buts" :

1. He will take too much cap space, or, as a playoff rental, willl cost too much in players/picks.

2. For those who think that he is good defensively, he has worse +/- than Ilya Kovalchuk. Think about that for a second.

If he can be got at the deadline for a couple of 2nd/3rd picks and a mid-level propect (very unlikely: e4 ) , then good. Otherwise, no way.

I think Holland should look at Marcel Hossa instead.

[TeeMan 52]

I think Hossa would take a pay cut to play for the wings. Most teams he's played for, he's like the second best. With him knowing that he'll be like the 7th best and may even get a cup. He should take a pay and come on the wings line up.

Hossa gets a thumb's up from TeeMan.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Thumbs down on this one. I'll pass.

It will take too much to get him - and even if they want to resign him, it will most likely come at the expense of Zetterberg.

[dallas27 7]

If you don't want Hossa then you have no right to sit here and ***** about how you want a big forward that can score and yada yada yada

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

To keep Hossa for the long run, we have to unload either Datsyuk, Zetterberg, or Lidstrom. We can't keep all 4 with the salary cap, even if all the other guys play for free.

[vangvace 12]

To keep Hossa for the long run, we have to unload either Datsyuk, Zetterberg, or Lidstrom. We can't keep all 4 with the salary cap, even if all the other guys play for free.

or Rafalski

[J-Swift 0]

I can understand reservations about not wanting Hossa because of cap concerns. But not wanting Hossa if it meant dealing Hulder or Flip or even Kronwall? To me, that makes no sense.

I'd have an issue dealing Flip or Kronwall for a guy who might walk at the end of the season. Personally I think Flip has as much potential as any young forward in our organization, and Kronwall is finally looking like a solid number three d-man who is well worth his 5-year deal. Not to mention trading Kronwall would really decimate our defensive corps. We've got away so far with having Lilja as a full-time member of our top four, but I doubt putting either Lebda or Chelios in Kronwall's spot would be a great idea for any serious length of time.

If Hossa were to remain a Red Wing after this year, though, I probably wouldn't have an issue trading anybody outside the "big three". But I'm just not sure how we fit him in. Zetterberg's due for a big time contract in the near future, and we'll still have Datsyuk, Lidstrom and their respective 7-million dollar contracts. And Rafaski's signed up for a hefty long-term deal too. Trying to fit Hossa in would leave us nothing for our supporting cast of players.

[rage 24]

I'd have an issue dealing Flip or Kronwall for a guy who might walk at the end of the season. Personally I think Flip has as much potential as any young forward in our organization, and Kronwall is finally looking like a solid number three d-man who is well worth his 5-year deal. Not to mention trading Kronwall would really decimate our defensive corps. We've got away so far with having Lilja as a full-time member of our top four, but I doubt putting either Lebda or Chelios in Kronwall's spot would be a great idea for any serious length of time.

If Hossa were to remain a Red Wing after this year, though, I probably wouldn't have an issue trading anybody outside the "big three". But I'm just not sure how we fit him in. Zetterberg's due for a big time contract in the near future, and we'll still have Datsyuk, Lidstrom and their respective 7-million dollar contracts. And Rafaski's signed up for a hefty long-term deal too. Trying to fit Hossa in would leave us nothing for our supporting cast of players.

Your kinda worried about us having the same problem as Tampa Bay. It is something to think about, and I would really hate to lose Flip!

[chrisdetroit 189]

I'd have an issue dealing Flip or Kronwall for a guy who might walk at the end of the season. Personally I think Flip has as much potential as any young forward in our organization, and Kronwall is finally looking like a solid number three d-man who is well worth his 5-year deal. Not to mention trading Kronwall would really decimate our defensive corps. We've got away so far with having Lilja as a full-time member of our top four, but I doubt putting either Lebda or Chelios in Kronwall's spot would be a great idea for any serious length of time.

If Hossa were to remain a Red Wing after this year, though, I probably wouldn't have an issue trading anybody outside the "big three". But I'm just not sure how we fit him in. Zetterberg's due for a big time contract in the near future, and we'll still have Datsyuk, Lidstrom and their respective 7-million dollar contracts. And Rafaski's signed up for a hefty long-term deal too. Trying to fit Hossa in would leave us nothing for our supporting cast of players.

It's not gonna happen. We have $5M+ cap space and Z is gonna eat that up and rightly so. Flip isn't going anywhere and we just made a long term commitment to Kronvall who is finally starting to develop.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I think Hossa would take a pay cut to play for the wings. Most teams he's played for, he's like the second best. With him knowing that he'll be like the 7th best and may even get a cup. He should take a pay and come on the wings line up.

Hossa gets a thumb's up from TeeMan.

Seventh best? The Red Wings have some very talented players, but not quite that many classify as "better" than Hossa.

Besides, I doubt Hossa takes a pay-cut in the prime of his career. Especially, when more than a handful of teams would be willing to pay him for market value.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Article

good article. He played lights out last night. Hossa will make an impact wherever he goes.

Aneheim?! They have zero salary cap space. Great article only if you ignore reality.

All of this because he had 1 great game against the Wings?

This must be the guy that started the Sundin rumor even though Mats has a no trade clause and said that he wouldn't wave it. "No sense in letting the facts get in way of a good story"

Aneheim? Can't these people at least pretend to know what they are talking about?

[Dabura 12,207]

Seventh best? The Red Wings have some very talented players, but not quite that many classify as "better" than Hossa.

Seriously. In terms of raw offensive prowess and sheer goal-scoring talent, he could give Dats and Hank a run for their respective checkbooks.

And his +/- is, I think, a bit deceiving; he's actually very good in all three zones.

[Bannedforlife 403]

To keep Hossa for the long run, we have to unload either Datsyuk, Zetterberg, or Lidstrom. We can't keep all 4 with the salary cap, even if all the other guys play for free.

You're bad at math...

Datsyuk (6.7) + Zetterberg (9) + Lidstrom (7.45) + Hossa (9) + Everyone else (0.0) = 32.15 mil

I think the cap this year is 52 million.

I think there's a chance it could happen (albeit a miniscule one)

How about this for a proposal though?

Hudler + Sammy + 1st and 2nd round 2009 pick + mid to high prospect (maybe Quincey on up to Kindl perhaps). Then, if Hossa does resign in July, we also give Atlanta Kronwall.

That would work out for both sides on several levels. Most importantly for us, we would be able to play Kronwall in this Cup run, giving us the best shot at a cup we've had since '02. Then, if/when we resign Hossa, dumping Kronwall's salary would allow us to absorb Zetterberg's contract in '09 (since Hasek will most likely retire after this year, but most certainly after next year) I think that we would be giving up enough to acquire Hossa, and even though we would be very low on talent we would still keep all of our picks for 2008, which is supposed to be a very deep draft year.

Holmstrom - Zetterberg - Hossa

Filppula - Datsyuk - Cleary

Maltby - Draper - Franzen

Drake - Kopecky - Downey

That's pretty tough to defend against, IMO. Or we could do,

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom

Cleary - Filppula - Hossa

or

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Hossa

Cleary - Filppula - Holmstrom

or even

Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom

Filppula - Zetterberg - Cleary

Kopecky - Draper - Hossa

Maltby - Drake - Downey

We'd have so many options we'd be giving teams fits during the playoffs, at home and away.

The real problem with acquiring Hossa and signing him long-term is the message that it sends. That would basically be like telling Lidstrom that we prefer him to retire at the end of his new contract. It would also send the message to our younger players that we really have no room and therefore no interest in keeping them around after their entry-level contracts are up. But on the other hand, if the chance to acquire a player of Hossas talents presents itself...

Edited January 17, 2008 by Bannedforlife

[rage 24]

Seriously. In terms of raw offensive prowess and sheer goal-scoring talent, he could give Dats and Hank a run for their respective checkbooks.

And his +/- is, I think, a bit deceiving; he's actually very good in all three zones.

Yeah, he/she could not have been serious when stating that he would be the 7th best player on this team.

Love the Avatar man!!

[Dabura 12,207]

I try.

[Saran 1]

You're bad at math...

Datsyuk (6.7) + Zetterberg (9) + Lidstrom (7.45) + Hossa (9) + Everyone else (0.0) = 32.15 mil

I think the cap this year is 52 million.

I think there's a chance it could happen (albeit a miniscule one)

How about this for a proposal though?

Hudler + Sammy + 1st and 2nd round 2009 pick + mid to high prospect (maybe Quincey on up to Kindl perhaps). Then, if Hossa does resign in July, we also give Atlanta Kronwall.

That would work out for both sides on several levels. Most importantly for us, we would be able to play Kronwall in this Cup run, giving us the best shot at a cup we've had since '02. Then, if/when we resign Hossa, dumping Kronwall's salary would allow us to absorb Zetterberg's contract in '09 (since Hasek will most likely retire after this year, but most certainly after next year) I think that we would be giving up enough to acquire Hossa, and even though we would be very low on talent we would still keep all of our picks for 2008, which is supposed to be a very deep draft year.

Holmstrom - Zetterberg - Hossa

Filppula - Datsyuk - Cleary

Maltby - Draper - Franzen

Drake - Kopecky - Downey

That's pretty tough to defend against, IMO. Or we could do,

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom

Cleary - Filppula - Hossa

or

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Hossa

Cleary - Filppula - Holmstrom

or even

Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom

Filppula - Zetterberg - Cleary

Kopecky - Draper - Hossa

Maltby - Drake - Downey

We'd have so many options we'd be giving teams fits during the playoffs, at home and away.

The real problem with acquiring Hossa and signing him long-term is the message that it sends. That would basically be like telling Lidstrom that we prefer him to retire at the end of his new contract. It would also send the message to our younger players that we really have no room and therefore no interest in keeping them around after their entry-level contracts are up. But on the other hand, if the chance to acquire a player of Hossas talents presents itself...

Are you kidding me!? You would give up Sammy, Hudler, Kronwall, 1st Round, 2nd Round, and UP TO Kindl? I want what you're smoking

[Bannedforlife 403]

Are you kidding me!? You would give up Sammy, Hudler, Kronwall, 1st Round, 2nd Round, and UP TO Kindl? I want what you're smoking

That's not what I said. I said Hudler, Sammy (who cares, really?) 1st & 2nd 2009 pick, mid to high prospect (Quincey, hopefully, but perhaps up to Kindl if that's what it takes) Realistically, that's about what it'll take for anyone to get him. And to be honest, I'd be willing to part with that for a rental of Hossa's caliber.

Then, I said Kronwall, conditional upon Hossa resigning with Detroit. The reason I threw that in there is because it will more than likely sway the bidding in our favor and give us the chance to sign Hossa on our terms. If we can agree on a reasonable salary and term (7.5-8.0 for 5 years) then great, we'd be set at forward for years to come after we resign Zetterberg. At that point we can't really afford to keep Kronwall anyway. But if we can't agree on a favorable salary and term, then we cut our loses, keep Kronwall, and just be satisfied that we gave it our all for the cup run.

Do you think Hossa can be had for less? I'd like some of what you're smoking...

Edited January 17, 2008 by Bannedforlife

[Rice 42]

That's not what I said. I said Hudler, Sammy (who cares, really?) 1st & 2nd 2009 pick, mid to high prospect (Quincey, hopefully, but perhaps up to Kindl if that's what it takes) Realistically, that's about what it'll take for anyone to get him. And to be honest, I'd be willing to part with that for a rental of Hossa's caliber.

Then, I said Kronwall, conditional upon Hossa resigning with Detroit. The reason I threw that in there is because it will more than likely sway the bidding in our favor and give us the chance to sign Hossa on our terms. If we can agree on a reasonable salary and term (7.5-8.0 for 5 years) then great. At that point we can't really afford to keep Kronwall anyway. But if we can't agree on a favorable salary and term, then we cut our loses, keep Kronwall, and just be satisfied that we gave it our all for the cup run.

Do you think Hossa can be had for less? I'd like some of what you're smoking...

Detroit isn't going to have any interest if Hossa doesn't sign an extension immediately, IMO.

[sibiriak 84]

Seriously. In terms of raw offensive prowess and sheer goal-scoring talent, he could give Dats and Hank a run for their respective checkbooks.

And his +/- is, I think, a bit deceiving; he's actually very good in all three zones.

How is his +/- deceiving? He is career +89 in 673 GP in spite of playing on a very good (if only in the regular season) Ottawa team. Datsyuk and Zetterberg have higher total +/- and they only played about half of the career games that Hossa played. Jagr, the "noted defensive specialist" , has a better per game +/-.

[Bannedforlife 403]

Detroit isn't going to have any interest if Hossa doesn't sign an extension immediately, IMO.

Can that be negotiated with Hossa's agent BEFORE we pull the trigger on the trade? I'm not sure that it can be, but I really have nothing to base that on.

[Rice 42]

Can that be negotiated with Hossa's agent BEFORE we pull the trigger on the trade? I'm not sure that it can be, but I really have nothing to base that on.

Yeah, I've never heard of anything that prevents it. He can agree to an extension that comes into effect when he's traded, as far as I know.

[Dabura 12,207]

How is his +/- deceiving?

Because, like I said, he's good in all three zones. Watch him play; it's the truth.

It's kind of a moot point, though, because you typically don't bring in a sniper for his defensive abilities.

[Saran 1]

That's not what I said. I said Hudler, Sammy (who cares, really?) 1st & 2nd 2009 pick, mid to high prospect (Quincey, hopefully, but perhaps up to Kindl if that's what it takes) Realistically, that's about what it'll take for anyone to get him. And to be honest, I'd be willing to part with that for a rental of Hossa's caliber.

Then, I said Kronwall, conditional upon Hossa resigning with Detroit. The reason I threw that in there is because it will more than likely sway the bidding in our favor and give us the chance to sign Hossa on our terms. If we can agree on a reasonable salary and term (7.5-8.0 for 5 years) then great, we'd be set at forward for years to come after we resign Zetterberg. At that point we can't really afford to keep Kronwall anyway. But if we can't agree on a favorable salary and term, then we cut our loses, keep Kronwall, and just be satisfied that we gave it our all for the cup run.

Do you think Hossa can be had for less? I'd like some of what you're smoking...

Well I think Detroit wouldn't want to just have him as a rental so Kronwall will be put in there too. Had for less? I don't really think so maybe a bit less but I'm just saying I wouldn't give all that up for Hossa. Before these 3 losses, the general feeling was that this team was untouchable and that we didn't need a blockbuster trade. I would want Hossa cause it would help but I wouldn't want to part with Hudler&Kronwall along with valuable picks and prospects. No one minds if we trade Sammy. Just my opinion.

[sibiriak 84]

Because, like I said, he's good in all three zones. Watch him play; it's the truth.

It's kind of a moot point, though, because you typically don't bring in a sniper for his defensive abilities.

Actually, in Detroit's system there's no room for a pure sniper. All forwards are supposed to be responsible defensively. And Hossa is a good skater, but not a particularly good defensive player. I've seen him. He is excellent offensively, can sometimes steal the puck in the neutral zone, but is fair defensively at best. He's got 2nd worst +/- among all Atlanta forwards.

[StaticWithABeat 0]

His price will be too steep for Detroit, I bet he goes to San Jose for Marleau.