haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted February 3, 2008 (edited) This thread is funny. Yes the Wings took Bert when he was coming off of an injury but look how good that worked out. Holland may be skeptical to do it again for a freshly hurt Blake when healthy d-men who can play now are available. MAC coming back to the Wings is not such a long shot anymore with Holland's Griffins offer and public comments saying if/when he gets healthy he'll get a shot. No man-love here, just fact. I haven't been watching Feds lately but a physical presence is what Detroit needs, we've got enough skill guys. A big forward that can skate every night, hit and can scrap when needed is in order ("clean" hits too, sorry Tootoo fans!). Downey can't skate every night. I feel better now. esteef Mac coming back to the wings is still a total longshot. A few months ago he wasn't even playing hockey at any level. It's going to take a bit more before he can make a meaningful contribution in the NHL again. Plus his health is still an unknown. He'd have to tear it up on the Griffins to even be considered taking a spot in the Wings lineup. I'd love for Mac to come back, but it's almost certainly not going to happen this year, and should in no way factor into trade deadline moves. As for Fedorov, I'm a fan, but he's not who we need right now. Especially as others have mentioned, he's sidelined indefinitey with a concussion. Edited February 3, 2008 by haroldsnepsts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 3, 2008 Love can be blind It sure can, which is why we end up with all these BS "I WANT SO AND SO" threads at the trade deadline... Too many people love too many people at this time of year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Louisville 112 Report post Posted February 3, 2008 A healthy Bill Guerin didn't work out for the Sharks, but an older, injured Blake will put our defence over the top. I don't think it's even worth commenting on Fedorov. My GOD. I like marijuana as much as any of you, but please don't light that doobie before you post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted February 4, 2008 A healthy Bill Guerin didn't work out for the Sharks, but an older, injured Blake will put our defence over the top. I don't think it's even worth commenting on Fedorov. My GOD. I like marijuana as much as any of you, but please don't light that doobie before you post. I'm not saying Blake will answer all our problems, but I don't see how Guerin to the Sharks last year somehow shows that Blake won't work out in Detroit this season. Though I do agree with you about Feds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Dynasty 267 Report post Posted February 4, 2008 Fedorov = Pass. I was the BIGGEST fan of Fedorov when he was on the Wings and was a fan until after his first game against the Wings. But, he is injury prone and brings ZERO physicality. Goal scoring isn't what we need, it's a big body that can drive the net. Forsberg is more of an answer than Fedorov, but I honestly give the Wings a 25% chance of getting Forsberg over the Flyers, Avs, and even Nucks and Ducks. My pick is either Sundin or Jokinen or no forward at all. Blake is a different story. This injury means NOTHING on his playing ability. He is a big body with a physical presence and a cannon at the point (which we NEED since Sammy is garbage on the point). He is the only player I expect the Wings to get and if we don't I will be extremely hard on Holland unless he makes up with a "blockbuster" that puts us WAY ahead of the Ducks and Sens into the play-offs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 4, 2008 This helps the trade, he was the best bet going in and still is. Honestly if you can give up a first Quincey and/or Meetch, and Grigs you not only make your D the scariest maybe ever, but you clear the D for two year which is perfect. That gives time for Ericsson, Kindl, Pyett, and Smith time to grow into the Wings lineup. Honestly Blake will be in red soon, and he will resign for a three year deal prob in the range of 3.5 million and decending. I also think no more changes will be made via trade, but McCarty will be resigned in a no brainer depth move. I wouldn't however expect McCarty to play. Just be depth. That would be all we need more experienced depth and grit. Though if Hossa could be had for that first rounder sammy meech quincey grigs and kopecky I'd do it. all other players and prospects I deem off limits. Blake is a guaranteed-rental. He will return to L.A. This is very clear. He is not a very good defenseman anymore and we do not *NEED* him. I do not understand, given that we have by far the best team in the league, why we have such a flurry about *NEEDING* a huge deadline trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 4, 2008 (edited) Fedorov = Pass. I was the BIGGEST fan of Fedorov when he was on the Wings and was a fan until after his first game against the Wings. But, he is injury prone and brings ZERO physicality. Goal scoring isn't what we need, it's a big body that can drive the net. Forsberg is more of an answer than Fedorov, but I honestly give the Wings a 25% chance of getting Forsberg over the Flyers, Avs, and even Nucks and Ducks. My pick is either Sundin or Jokinen or no forward at all. Blake is a different story. This injury means NOTHING on his playing ability. He is a big body with a physical presence and a cannon at the point (which we NEED since Sammy is garbage on the point). He is the only player I expect the Wings to get and if we don't I will be extremely hard on Holland unless he makes up with a "blockbuster" that puts us WAY ahead of the Ducks and Sens into the play-offs. Ah, yes--there we go with the NEED again. So sorry, but we're already better than everyone else. What you mean is that this acquisition will help to PERFECT the team. We do not NEED it. Please be sure to think on this and learn to distinguish it in the future. Edited February 4, 2008 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim 5 Report post Posted February 4, 2008 We do not NEED it. Please be sure to think on this and learn to distinguish it in the future. Relax bud, we're all on the same side. How long have you been following this team? Deadline deals are Kenny's thing. always has been. Now his moves can be subtle or huge. judging how Detroit has been having trouble selling out games, my money is on the latter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mudvayneowns91 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2008 I'm pretty skeptical that he'll only be out 3 weeks. I hear broken and that scares me. Just seems like something that could last longer than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 4, 2008 Relax bud, we're all on the same side. How long have you been following this team? Deadline deals are Kenny's thing. always has been. Now his moves can be subtle or huge. judging how Detroit has been having trouble selling out games, my money is on the latter. To paraphrase Kenny, in talking about the changes the salary cap has brought about: "Gone are the days when we'd parade our trade-deadline acquisitions across the stage in March." Kenny knows the days in which the Wings could trade away players in deadline deals and then just spend money and replace them in the summer are past, and that now the success of the organization depends on long-term development of prospects. The only big deal he's made since the lockout was that which landed us Bertuzzi; that one was a low-risk, low-cost, potentially high-yield deal that was important because of our utter lack of secondary scoring at that point. The season before? A 4th-round draft pick for Cory Cross. The days of Holland deadline blockbusters are gone, and he has openly said so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim 5 Report post Posted February 4, 2008 gone are the days, as of last year?? you are refuting yourself. The Cory Cross year was an abberation. We had Legace in net... no one gave us a snowball's chance in heck. The Dom is back... Ken will take liberties once again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 4, 2008 (edited) gone are the days, as of last year?? you are refuting yourself. The Cory Cross year was an abberation. We had Legace in net... no one gave us a snowball's chance in heck. The Dom is back... Ken will take liberties once again. Last year we gave up a third-round draft pick and a prospect for an injured player. This was NOT a big trade. That aside, I don't see what the goalies had to do with trade deadline acquisitions. You're saying that because Legace sucked, we didn't pick anyone up because we'd already waved the white flag? Are you forgetting that he was 3rd in Vezina voting that year and that we only had one regulation loss in our last 20-some games? I don't get it. Edited February 4, 2008 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim 5 Report post Posted February 4, 2008 Last year we gave up a third-round draft pick and a prospect for an injured player. This was NOT a big trade. the Bert trade wasnt a big deal? I share the exact sentiment... which is why another deal should be made this year. The Wings appear to have a much better chance of winning it all this year as opposed to last. whats the big deal if they make a move to help things out? Hasek has alot to do with it... He proved (again) last year that he can keep us close. Clutch scoring is at a premium. we are reminded of this moreso when Zatta is out nursing his back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted February 5, 2008 I don't think Bertuzzi being injured was the reason he didn't help us. The reason he did not help us was that he did not fit our system what so ever. We were all excited on the boards because he brought what we didn't have, meaness. Well there are some that will not fit in and some that will, Holland usually gets those who do and I hope he continues to do as such. I think that Rob Blake would fit in and him being injured may allow for a better deal so we should be happy. Personally I want this deal to be made. Our first and second picks, Meech, Kopecky, Hartigan, and Quincey. Blake and Cammallari. Not one of those players will be missed over the long term or short term. It gives LA alot to play with and they would be moving two players they want to move(who knows why) If it takes more draft picks then go ahead. I think then you sign McCarty for depth and if any injuries occur you can go to Helm, Kindl, and Ericsson. The defense would be even better then the Ducks of last year, and Cam on the second line would make us stacked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 5, 2008 Our first and second picks, Meech, Kopecky, Hartigan, and Quincey. Blake and Cammallari. If you truly think that the Kings would ever conceivably make the trade that you have outlined above, then you are so detached from hockey reality that I don't see any reason to discuss the matter with you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted February 5, 2008 If you truly think that the Kings would ever conceivably make the trade that you have outlined above, then you are so detached from hockey reality that I don't see any reason to discuss the matter with you. How 'bout Filppula + Emmerton + two 1sts for Kopitar? I've always enjoyed a handful of nickels for a dollar trades... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 5, 2008 How 'bout Filppula + Emmerton + two 1sts for Kopitar? I've always enjoyed a handful of nickels for a dollar trades... How about we throw in Samuelsson and Hudler and receive Frolov as well? lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted February 6, 2008 I forgot to throw in Igor!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 6, 2008 I forgot to throw in Igor!! Igor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
