A Fedorov return to Wings makes sense

[LeftWinger 5,152]

Its more about the moves that ARENT made because we get Fedorov. Thats the downside to it. Just like last year, going for Bertuzzi was a risk based on the fact that if he didnt get healthy, then you missed out on other people that were available because you went that route. If the Wings give up a 1st for Fedorov, thats probably all theyre going to do. So if you're like me and dont see him as a solution to areas of need, then that makes it a bad move in that sense....cause nothing else will get done. Not to mention i hardly believe he's an answer to 2nd line scoring...

...who exactly did we miss out on because we traded for Bertuzzi? Ryan Smith? Keith Tkachuk? Doug Weight? The Wings were in no position to offer what teams were asking. They stole Bertuzzi out of Florida. ALL the analysts had said that was THE trade of the deadline. It almost worked out. IF we would have made it to the finals then the Bertuzzi trade would have been a huge success. We didn't, he's gone and what did we lose? Shawn Mattias (sp) He probably wouldn't have seen ice time in Detroit for about 5 to 6 years...

...That is why the Wings trading a #1 pick is not that big of deal. #1 picks are chosen to play in the NHL, not the AHL. Most of the Wings picks, whether it be #1 or #5 or wherever, don't make the NHL for a couple of seasons. Look at the current Wings roster, how many of their #1 picks are playing right now? Exactly. How many lower round picks are playing right now? How many UFA's are playing that previously couldn't find a home in the NHL, yet are propersing here? Exactly. Fot those of you who don't think Fedorov's game will rebound once he gets here you are sadly mistaken. No, he's not gonna score 60 or put up MVP numbers, but he will score 20-30 and put up Selke like defensive stats. This team and this system makes players better. Where was Cleary before he landed here? How about Sammy? Lilja? Even Maltby or Draper would be hot garbage if they went somewhere else. What did McCarty do when he left? Natta! Look at how Osgood's career took back off since he came back. Look at how long Chelios is playing! If he stayed in Chicago he would have retired years ago! It's the system, it's the compliment of superstars. What did Fedorov do when he left? Exactly, and just like the above mentioned players, there is no reason to believe that when he returns, the same thing wouldn't happen. A 1st and a prospect is definately worth the chance. You're not gonna get Sundin or Hossa, so don't hold your breath. Honestly, it'll take tons more to get either of those and if Feds goes to Ottawa, they are champions...

Edited February 16, 2008 by LeftWinger

[Lou_Siffer 1]

...who exactly did we miss out on because we traded for Bertuzzi? Ryan Smith? Keith Tkachuk? Doug Weight? The Wings were in no position to offer what teams were asking. They stole Bertuzzi out of Florida. ALL the analysts had said that was THE trade of the deadline. It almost worked out. IF we would have made it to the finals then the Bertuzzi trade would have been a huge success. We didn't, he's gone and what did we lose? Shawn Mattias (sp) He probably wouldn't have seen ice time in Detroit for about 5 to 6 years...

...That is why the Wings trading a #1 pick is not that big of deal. #1 picks are chosen to play in the NHL, not the AHL. Most of the Wings picks, whether it be #1 or #5 or wherever, don't make the NHL for a couple of seasons. Look at the current Wings roster, how many of their #1 picks are playing right now? Exactly. How many lower round picks are playing right now? How many UFA's are playing that previously couldn't find a home in the NHL, yet are propersing here? Exactly. Fot those of you who don't think Fedorov's game will rebound once he gets here you are sadly mistaken. No, he's not gonna score 60 or put up MVP numbers, but he will score 20-30 and put up Selke like defensive stats. This team and this system makes players better. Where was Cleary before he landed here? How about Sammy? Lilja? Even Maltby or Draper would be hot garbage if they went somewhere else. What did McCarty do when he left? Natta! Look at how Osgood's career took back off since he came back. Look at how long Chelios is playing! If he stayed in Chicago he would have retired years ago! It's the system, it's the compliment of superstars. What did Fedorov do when he left? Exactly, and just like the above mentioned players, there is no reason to believe that when he returns, the same thing would happen. A 1st and a prospect is definatelt worth the chance. You're not gonna get Sundin or Hossa, so don't hold your breath. Honestly, it'll take tons more to get either of those and if Feds goes to Ottawa, they are champions...

Im not arguing that the Bertuzzi trade shouldnt have been made, just explaining the point about the risk. Even though the opinion was we gave up little at the time, if he wasnt able to play, then its like you added nobody. Thats where the risk lied. People are saying that even if Fedorov doesnt produce "whats the harm"? The harm is you missed out on somebody else that could have! Thats my point. Its undeniable that Fedorov is going downhill very fast. You're all banking on him rekindling something. The holes that i see on the team Fedorov does not address, therefore while i dont think he makes the team worse he doesnt fill areas of need....hence i want nothing to do with him.

Edited February 16, 2008 by Lou_Siffer

[LeftWinger 5,152]

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../802160340/1004

...well, this pretty much guatantees his return. If it doesn't come by trade at the deadline, it'll be by UFA for sure! If we don't aquire him via trade would you guys still be so upset if they give him $1M to come play here in 2008-09 or longer? Get used to the idea! (well maybe more than a million)

[sinbin 3]

I have this gut feeling.......he is being watched very closely during these next few days.......after last night's performance, the young'ens aren't ready........ I see Sergei here within a week. AS THE WORLD TURNS..........

[OsGOD 3]

I sure hope so!

[VM1138 1,921]

Fedorov is going downhill, but what is this talk about him not filling any needs? He's the one player that fits both of our needs. A depth scorer and a solid defensive player. He's two players in one.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

...who exactly did we miss out on because we traded for Bertuzzi? Ryan Smith? Keith Tkachuk? Doug Weight? The Wings were in no position to offer what teams were asking. They stole Bertuzzi out of Florida. ALL the analysts had said that was THE trade of the deadline. It almost worked out. IF we would have made it to the finals then the Bertuzzi trade would have been a huge success. We didn't, he's gone and what did we lose? Shawn Mattias (sp) He probably wouldn't have seen ice time in Detroit for about 5 to 6 years...

...That is why the Wings trading a #1 pick is not that big of deal. #1 picks are chosen to play in the NHL, not the AHL. Most of the Wings picks, whether it be #1 or #5 or wherever, don't make the NHL for a couple of seasons. Look at the current Wings roster, how many of their #1 picks are playing right now? Exactly. How many lower round picks are playing right now? How many UFA's are playing that previously couldn't find a home in the NHL, yet are propersing here? Exactly. Fot those of you who don't think Fedorov's game will rebound once he gets here you are sadly mistaken. No, he's not gonna score 60 or put up MVP numbers, but he will score 20-30 and put up Selke like defensive stats. This team and this system makes players better. Where was Cleary before he landed here? How about Sammy? Lilja? Even Maltby or Draper would be hot garbage if they went somewhere else. What did McCarty do when he left? Natta! Look at how Osgood's career took back off since he came back. Look at how long Chelios is playing! If he stayed in Chicago he would have retired years ago! It's the system, it's the compliment of superstars. What did Fedorov do when he left? Exactly, and just like the above mentioned players, there is no reason to believe that when he returns, the same thing wouldn't happen. A 1st and a prospect is definately worth the chance. You're not gonna get Sundin or Hossa, so don't hold your breath. Honestly, it'll take tons more to get either of those and if Feds goes to Ottawa, they are champions...

So throw away your early picks because you've gotten lucky with some later round picks? Just because you've done well in the past doesn't mean the late rounds are always going to be your bread and butter. Why stack the deck against yourself by throwing away your first rounders?

This is the current list of NHL points leaders (top 50).

Ovechkin #1

Malkin #2

Lecavalier #1

Alfredsson #133

Spezza #2

Zetterberg #210

Iginla #11

St.Louis Undrafted

Datsyuk #171

Kovalchuk #1

Ribeiro #45

Thornton #1

Richards #24

Heatley #2

Crosby #1

Getzlaf #19

Savard #91

Gaborik #3

Sundin #1

Jokinen #3

Doan #7

Sedin #3

Lidstrom #53

Sedin #2

Kovalev #15

Kopitar #11

Morrow #25

Gomez #27

Prospal #71

Briere Undrafted

Hossa #12

Whitney #23

Plekanec #71

Dumont #3

Huselius #47

Arnott #7

Brindamour #9

Pominville #55

Nash #1

Perry #28

Staal #2

Zherdev #4

Horcoff #99

Parise #17

Frolov #20

Kariya #4

Langkow #5

Stastny #44

Richards #64

Hemsky #13

Granted, alot are #1 and #2 picks which we'll never have. But still, of the 50 players 35 of them were taken in the first round.

First rounders = 70%

Now, when the Wings usually compete for the Presidents trophy we ended picking 29th or 30th alot of times. So if we give up that pick, our first actual pick winds up being around 58th thru 60th I think.

So adding in the players drafted lower than 58th to those drafted in the first round (5)....

Total drafted higher than 58th = 40, equals 80% of the top 50 players.

Take out the undrafted players in St.Louis and Briere, knocks the list down to 48.

40 of 48 = 83% of the top 50

ONLY 3 players were taken lower than 100th (Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Alfredsson). Those guys were drafted years ago when Detroit was leading the way in scouting Europe. Well everyone scouts Europe now. The odds on us plucking the next Datsyuk or Zetterberg out from 29 other teams isn't as good as it used to be.

I've rambled on long enough but I think its pretty evident that although you can find a gem every once in awhile, the fact that we have Datsyuk and Z and Homer makes people think that the good times are always going to keep on coming when it comes to the draft.

Why bank on that? Why keep your fingers crossed that you'll find another gem? Clearly, the odds are in your favor to draft as high as possible. Doesn't mean every high pick works out. Just means you've got a better shot at getting an impact player than you do picking 60th and later with your 1st selection.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../802160340/1004

...well, this pretty much guatantees his return. If it doesn't come by trade at the deadline, it'll be by UFA for sure! If we don't aquire him via trade would you guys still be so upset if they give him $1M to come play here in 2008-09 or longer? Get used to the idea! (well maybe more than a million)

As long as we don't give up a 1st round pick, Kindl or Howard I'm okay with Fedorov coming back.

Sorry, I can't give away 1st round picks anymore because some people think we're just going to keep on finding Zetterbergs and Dats. That's wishful thinking if I ever saw it.

[OsGOD 3]

Fedorov is going downhill, but what is this talk about him not filling any needs? He's the one player that fits both of our needs. A depth scorer and a solid defensive player. He's two players in one.

You are free to start talking about him going down hill when his skills place him out of our top 10... right now in his "downhill" state he still hands down better than a great majority of our team in the NHL and in the minors... just some nuggets to munch on until we get him on the 26th

[Swede40 0]

Depends on how bad Sergei's concussion is. He does us no good if he's having problems.

[2probert4 8]

I read the one that said this:

"But while Sundin is healthy if not agreeable to a trade, the Blue Jackets couldn't deal Fedorov if they wanted." - toronto sun article you posted

I didnt read that within the paragraph that I posted.....but whatever. The Columbus Post-Dispatch said today that if they are in the playoff hunt they may not deal him at all. Sounds to me like they are just pushing Feds price up.