Hossa Sweepstakes down to four teams?

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Hey guys,

I'm new on this thing and I'm looking forward to some good disscusion.

Thanks

Welcome aboard!

EDIT: No pun intended!

Another thing to remember about Flip vs Hossa is that the Wings have next to no one that is projected to be a big goal scoring winger in the system. They alreaday have two top line centers wholl soon both be locked up for the next 6-7 years.

Edited February 21, 2008 by YoungGuns1340

[Redwingsfan18 1]

I agree completely with what Matt said above. For those of you Tiger fans around here, think about their blockbuster deal for Miggy and Willis. You gave up two guys who MAY be starts for two guys that are stars. Same kind of principle applies to lets say Flip/Huds and Hossa.

You've got a proven player that, when given even better talent around him like Dats and Z would become even better, while giving up a guy who has shown that he's got the skill to be an NHLer, but there's nothing that he's done to prove to me he's a 40/50 goal a year guy (Flip).

So, if I'm Kenny, I seriously consider trading someone like Flip or Huds to Atl for Hossa IF and only if I could sign him on long term at a reasonable price. But you definitely take proven all-star talent over potential all star talent, when the guy were talking about is still very young and technically not even in his "prime."

[Guest Canadian Wings]

Would u trade Hudler in a package for Hossa if your not sure he'll re-sign?

I would only trade Flip if i knew 100% he would re-sign.

[rage 24]

sometimes u have to put ur emotional attachment to the player aside. i like flip too, but to get hossa who might not even be in his prime yet is good.

I'd say he is in his prime. But on this team his production will skyrocket.

I could only imagine what the next 4 years would look like for Hossa playing with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Rafi, Lids (for as long as possible), Homer, and the rest.

[Viperar 16]

I'd say he is in his prime. But on this team his production will skyrocket.

It is actually claimed that he is still 1 or 2 years off his prime. How scary is that

[Guest Canadian Wings]

I'd say he is in his prime. But on this team his production will skyrocket.

I could only imagine what the next 4 years would look like for Hossa playing with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Rafi, Lids (for as long as possible), Homer, and the rest.

well u hit your prime when your what 30-32 somewhere around there? and he's younger then datsyuk by 4 months someone said...so he might just be entering his prime...

Edited February 21, 2008 by Canadian Wings

[BlueMonk 102]

I haven't really read any of this thread, but I'm lukewarm about Hossa. They could use the regular season scoring, but the guy has like 4 points in 1,261 playoff games. Dunno if he'd be worth giving up what they'd have to give up.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Honestly, if the Wings pull of a deal for Hossa (who, mind you, is a couple months younger than Datsyuk) for Filppula (+ whatever) you won't care a wink when Marian is putting up 50+ goal seasons riding shotgun to Datsyuk.

I'd love to see Hossa playing well, but if it means trading Flip, sorry no deal.

Put it this way, Fleischmann's been playing well lately.

[Viperar 16]

I'd love to see Hossa playing well, but if it means trading Flip, sorry no deal.

Put it this way, Fleischmann's been playing well lately.

24 pts, -8?

[Matt 1,049]

I haven't really read any of this thread, but I'm lukewarm about Hossa. They could use the regular season scoring, but the guy has like 4 points in 1,261 playoff games. Dunno if he'd be worth giving up what they'd have to give up.

I recall hearing the same thing about a certain Russian player sitting on the Red Wings' roster, too...

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I haven't really read any of this thread, but I'm lukewarm about Hossa. They could use the regular season scoring, but the guy has like 4 points in 1,261 playoff games. Dunno if he'd be worth giving up what they'd have to give up.

13 goals in 55 games to be exact. I agree, nothing spectacular.

However, didn't Pavel Datsyuk have this same "problem" as well?

Nobody questions Pav anymore, and I'm pretty sure Hossa would turn out the same.

Edited February 21, 2008 by GoWings1905

[Matt 1,049]

I'd love to see Hossa playing well, but if it means trading Flip, sorry no deal.

Is there any solid reasoning behind that other than some emotional attachment to Filppula?

I don't think any sane person here thinks that Filppula is a 40+ goal player -- and I LIKE Flip. I think he's going to be a good two-way player... But Marian Hossa.... We're talking about a winger here that is on the same level as Dany Heatley, Jarome Iginla, Alfredsson....

It's a no brainer.

[BlueMonk 102]

You guys make a good point about the similar reputation Datsyuk had before last year. I just question whether Hossa is the kind of player who is going to respond when a team like the Ducks are trying to beat the crap out of him and get him off his game.

[sticknmove 0]

I'd love to see Hossa playing well, but if it means trading Flip, sorry no deal.

Put it this way, Fleischmann's been playing well lately.

You're joking right? Do you know what the Fleischmann's trade helped accomplish here in Detroit? If you truly believe that Flip for Hossa is not a once in a lifetime opportunity then you are absolutely out to lunch when it comes to the NHL and the Wings. The tools Hossa would gain in coming to Detroit would make him a premier player in the NHL, hands down, no argument. BTW Fleischmann blows fyi

[eva unit zero 271]

You guys make a good point about the similar reputation Datsyuk had before last year. I just question whether Hossa is the kind of player who is going to respond when a team like the Ducks are trying to beat the crap out of him and get him off his game.

Hossa has historically been a better playoff performer than Datsyuk...he's bigger and stronger, and uses his size more in respect to physical defenders.

Hossa has 13-23-36 in 55 games.

Datsyuk has 11-20-31 in 60 games.

And this is including his 16 points in 18 games that proved he's a playoff performer..yet only ties Hossa's best performance of 16 points in 18 games. Hmm.

If I had to choose between Hossa and Datsyuk for a playoff run, I take Hossa. Hopefully, I can have both...

[FinRedWing 172]

So Datsyuk for Hossa would be a good trade too?

[Guest Canadian Wings]

So Datsyuk for Hossa would be a good trade too?

yep

fine by me

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Hossa has historically been a better playoff performer than Datsyuk...he's bigger and stronger, and uses his size more in respect to physical defenders.

Hossa has 13-23-36 in 55 games.

Datsyuk has 11-20-31 in 60 games.

And this is including his 16 points in 18 games that proved he's a playoff performer..yet only ties Hossa's best performance of 16 points in 18 games. Hmm.

If I had to choose between Hossa and Datsyuk for a playoff run, I take Hossa. Hopefully, I can have both...

I was just going to post this. If you look at Hossas playoff stats, youll notice that the years he did poorly were years when his team never made it out of the 2nd round. If you ask me, if his team didnt make it out of the 2nd round, that smells of a choke job, meaning he wasnt the only one underperforming for the Sens in the playoffs. And the Sens - a team that had the likes of Spezza, Chara, Redden (when he was better), etc - was notorious for choking for a while there (and still are to an extent).

Edited February 21, 2008 by YoungGuns1340

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Is there any solid reasoning behind that other than some emotional attachment to Filppula?

I don't think any sane person here thinks that Filppula is a 40+ goal player -- and I LIKE Flip. I think he's going to be a good two-way player... But Marian Hossa.... We're talking about a winger here that is on the same level as Dany Heatley, Jarome Iginla, Alfredsson....

It's a no brainer.

Has there actually been any confirmation that Flip is actually on the trade table? A month or two ago it was as though he was virtually untouchable, has there been anything (credible) to suggest that things have actually changed? To me it sounds as though someone suggested his name and everyone has run with it thinking it could be a plausible deal.

You're joking right? Do you know what the Fleischmann's trade helped accomplish here in Detroit? If you truly believe that Flip for Hossa is not a once in a lifetime opportunity then you are absolutely out to lunch when it comes to the NHL and the Wings. The tools Hossa would gain in coming to Detroit would make him a premier player in the NHL, hands down, no argument. BTW Fleischmann blows fyi

Robert Lang?

[rage 24]

yep

fine by me

Well that ain't happening. But imagine Datsyuk and Kovalchuk!!

[rage 24]

One thing I am thinking about is what is Dallas up to? They sure are being quiet.

Holy PISTONS!!

[Packer487 3]

I don't think Hossa's been that bad in the playoffs. He started off slow--four points in the first 14 playoff games of his career, but since then he's had like 31 points in 41 games. That's pretty solid.

You gotta think of a deal for him as like when we picked up Shanny. I didn't really like Primeau, but that's beside the point. We gave up quite a bit to get him and it was worth every bit of it.

We all have our favorites and it sucks when they get traded. But there's NO comparing Flip and Hossa as players. Hossa is a bonafide 90-100 point guy, he's been solid in the playoffs, and he's kind of the type of player we need. Flip is pretty good, I like the kid a lot and I think he has some potential, but you never know how much more he'll improve. Hossa already IS great. The guy was traded straight up for Heatley and since then all he's done is put up 92 and 100 points. He's down a little this year but he's still on pace for like what? 75?

And now he's not worth Filppula? C'mon.

[Viperar 16]

"Right now, I've got nothing that's imminent," Burke said Wednesday. "Usually by this time, you've gone past concepts and you're down to names and picks. And I'm not there yet with anybody. So, either I'm slow, or it's a slow development market. The fact that so many of these deadline deals went awry last year has probably calmed things down a bit."

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So, if there were four teams in the running for Hossa, and Burke says he is nowhere imminent, and the Trashers claim one team is in talks with Hossa, the ducks seem to be out of the running.

So there was three? SJ, Wings and Habs?

[Guest Canadian Wings]

For some reason i think Hossa isn't coming to Detroit as much as i do wanna see it happen.

[loutswings 47]

i like flip but hossa would be solid for this team. i think he would fit in nicely and add a scoring punch that we lack last year in the playoffs.