Hossa Sweepstakes down to four teams?

[Viperar 16]

Hossa wants to hit free Agency so he won't sign an extention right away. He's a rental as of now.

Wrong. Whoever picks Hossa up is being given some time before the news is released to sign him to a new contract right away.

[chrisdetroit 189]

I don't think so...

The comments from the Wings brass in the past have indicated that Flip is not going anywhere. He is extremely talented and most importantly, has excellent defensive abilities.

But you are entitled to your opinion

[rick zombo 3,739]

Wrong. Whoever picks Hossa up is being given some time before the news is released to sign him to a new contract right away.

Whoever Waddell decides has made the best offer for Hossa will be given 48hrs to try and sign him to a contract extension. If a deal can't be made with Hossa and his agent, the trade won't happen.

So right now, Hossa has probably been traded. He'd have to be, for the deal to be worked out by the deadline which is exactly 48 hours away.

[chrisdetroit 189]

I can't wait, 2 more days and all this talk will be over. The next time the wings play, there will be a new roster, hopefully with hossa/stuart on a plane to Detroit. I am just getting too anxious to function and I can not wait til tuesday afternoon

The Wings are NOT going to get Hossa (or Sundin). There will be a bidding war for both of these guys and Holland will not get into a bidding war for anybody. He's much to smart for that.

Look at the recent past. When did he ever get the most sought after player? Never. Last year at the deadline everyody was chasing Bill Guerin and Peter Forsburg. Holland declined to bid. What makes you think that he will this year? And how much would it cost to get Hossa?

Sorry to disappoint you but the Wings will end up with a second teir guy if anything at all. Brad Stuart - maybe. Hossa, not a chance in hell.

[Dabura 12,232]

The Wings are NOT going to get Hossa (or Sundin). There will be a bidding war for both of these guys and Holland will not get into a bidding war for anybody. He's much to smart for that.

Look at the recent past. When did he ever get the most sought after player? Never. Last year at the deadline everyody was chasing Bill Guerin and Peter Forsburg. Holland declined to bid. What makes you think that he will this year? And how much would it cost to get Hossa?

Sorry to disappoint you but the Wings will end up with a second teir guy if anything at all. Brad Stuart - maybe. Hossa, not a chance in hell.

OK, now let's talk about reality, not what you would like to see happen.

The reality is this: the Wings have the financial room, assets, and reptuation necessary to make a Hossa deal possible. Holland himself told Waddell that he feels great about the Wings' cap situation and is willing to bring in a big name if the price is right.

And, like I said, the price would seem to be right.

[Rice 42]

Look at the recent past. When did he ever get the most sought after player? Never. Last year at the deadline everyody was chasing Bill Guerin and Peter Forsburg. Holland declined to bid. What makes you think that he will this year? And how much would it cost to get Hossa?

Holland got Lang in 2004 when he was leading the league in scoring.

I'd guess he was pretty sought after.

The Wings getting Hossa will come down to who Hossa is willing to sign with and for how much. If he gives a smaller list of teams it will lower Waddell's asking price as far as assets go. If Hossa will sign for below his market value with the Wings for five years, Holland will be prepared to offer a lot. It's like adding another Zetterberg or Datsyuk. The Wings don't have the best assets, but I'm pretty sure they have enough to get a deal done.

Edited February 24, 2008 by ARice89

[Dabura 12,232]

Moreover, Hossa is much more valuable than the likes of Guerin and Forsberg.

[chrisdetroit 189]

OK, now let's talk about reality, not what you would like to see happen.

The reality is this: the Wings have the financial room, assets, and reptuation necessary to make a Hossa deal possible. Holland himself told Waddell that he feels great about the Wings' cap situation and is willing to bring in a big name if the price is right.

And, like I said, the price would seem to be right.

You got it wrong. I would love to see Hossa in a Wings uniform. The problem is that he is the most sought after forward in the league except maybe Mats. Supply and demand. The price would be very steep indeed and based on past experience Holland will not overpay for anybody. If you think that we are going to get Hossa for a fair and reasonable price, you are kidding yourself. Atlanta is going to shop him to the highest bidder. How many prospects, draft picks and roster players is Kenny willing to give up? Not alot based on the bad experience from last year.

I agree with you that the price would have to be right. I just don't see that happening though. I hope that I am wrong though and we get Hossa for a really great deal.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Moreover, Hossa is much more valuable than the likes of Guerin and Forsberg.

You say that now but 1 year ago it was a different story. Who's to say that Hossa won't be a bust also like Guerin and Forsburg? Hossa has not exactly had good playoffs in the past.

[Rice 42]

Look at the recent past. When did he ever get the most sought after player? Never. Last year at the deadline everyody was chasing Bill Guerin and Peter Forsburg. Holland declined to bid. What makes you think that he will this year? And how much would it cost to get Hossa?

I know for a fact Holland tried to get Forsberg from Philadelphia last year.

[rwfan007 18]

We arent saying that Hossa will come cheap, we are saying that we can afford him. We have a lot of cap room, and we might as well use it on a star who can get this team scoring again. Right now, our "2nd line" of Flip, Sammy, Huds, Franzen, Kopecky arent producing at all. we need need need some scoring help, we have enough great defensive forwards, we can afford to have an average defensive forward who can net 40-50 goals for us. Hossa, if he is traded, is looking to sign a multi-year deal and if that is with us, expect him to make a serious splash with the talent that is in our system right now

[Rice 42]

You say that now but 1 year ago it was a different story. Who's to say that Hossa won't be a bust also like Guerin and Forsburg? Hossa has not exactly had good playoffs in the past.

No one knows whether he'll be a bust or not, but Hossa won't be purely a rental like Guerin and Forsberg were. Hossa is younger than Datsyuk and he will sign somewhere long-term. Adding Hossa is beefing up for the playoffs and for the next few seasons, at least. The same couldn't be said for Forsberg or Guerin. Plus, Hossa is far better than either of those guys were last year.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Holland got Lang in 2004 when he was leading the league in scoring.

I'd guess he was pretty sought after.

The Wings getting Hossa will come down to who Hossa is willing to sign with and for how much. If he gives a smaller list of teams it will lower Waddell's asking price as far as assets go. If Hossa will sign for below his market value with the Wings for five years, Holland will be prepared to offer a lot. It's like adding another Zetterberg or Datsyuk. The Wings don't have the best assets, but I'm pretty sure they have enough to get a deal done.

Ah.. There was no salary cap in 2004. It was a different world, you could give up prospects and picks because you could always go out and buy more.

Below market value? You are dreaming

[rwfan007 18]

Ah.. There was no salary cap in 2004. It was a different world, you could give up prospects and picks because you could always go out and buy more.

Below market value? You are dreaming

you never know... players take less money to play for winning teams all the time. I wouldnt be suprised to see hossa come here for less than market value for the security of playing for the Detroit Red Wings for 4 years

[Drake_Marcus 890]

The comments from the Wings brass in the past have indicated that Flip is not going anywhere. He is extremely talented and most importantly, has excellent defensive abilities.

But you are entitled to your opinion

There's a BIG difference between the organization having Filppula in their future plans and them being stupid enough not to move him for a franchise player like Hossa.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, particularly with the Sundin deal. That pretty much makes Anaheim the only team in the league without any weaknesses. I think if Anaheim lands Sundin first, we need to either land Hossa or only make minor trades that cost us next to nothing, as I cant see Detroit getting past Anaheim if they dont add another big name. Particularly with their PP as it stands because, IMO, no matter when we play Anaheim or who they have, with the amount of penalties they take, we're gonna have to beat them by using our PP advantages.

How in the hell did you come up with that steaming turd of knowledge. No weaknesses?! How bout the fact that they are ranked #30 in goal scoring, or #1 in penalties or the fact that they have no backup goaltender with any experience, or that they have lost young studs for injury prone old players like Bertuzzi and Schneider and Weight.

No weaknesses. That is such a stupid statement that is is mind boggling.

[chrisdetroit 189]

There's a BIG difference between the organization having Filppula in their future plans and them being stupid enough not to move him for a franchise player like Hossa.

Perhaps but if Hossa is only a rental, there is no way Kenny would give up Flip for him. Kenny made that mistake last year and I don't see him doing it two years in a row. If we could get him with a 2-3 year contract, maybe.

I guess we will know soon.

[Dabura 12,232]

Holland will not overpay for anybody.

Waddell wants something in the neighborhood of a young roster player, a prospect, and a pick. Hossa wants to sign long-term with a legitimate contender and, by his own admission, would be willing to play for less if it meant winning more. Holland has Flip, Hudler, Sammy, some good prospects, and enough room with the cap situation -- both current and foreseeable -- to afford Hossa a reasonable 7-even salary. Furthermore, no team in the NHL is as consistently competitive as the Wings.

Assuming things stay reasonable, the Wings have a great chance of landing Hossa. At the very least, Holland has done absolutely nothing to deny this. He hasn't even offered up the token "We'd love to, but..." To me, that suggests he's not only very interested in Hossa, but also has a very good shot at getting him.

As for Guerin and Forsberg -- not comparable. Different players, different situations, different different different.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Ah.. There was no salary cap in 2004. It was a different world, you could give up prospects and picks because you could always go out and buy more.

Below market value? You are dreaming

I think he actually ment to say maybe we could sign him for below the over-inflated-free-agent market level. I honestly believe that Detroit could sign Hossa for 5-6 years at 6.5-7 million per. He's making 7 million now and could go for 8 million on the FA market. BUT he knows that any team that buys his services for 8 million isn't going to be perpetually competitive and stacked with high quality players.

Hossa's stated multiple times that his issue is with competitiveness and that he wants to be competiting for the cup year in and year out. Detroit has a unique ability to offer that over a 5-6 year period. Very, very, very few teams can claim to have been at the top of the league for this long, nor can they claim to have half the managerial quality and comittment to sucess.

If Detroit gives him a long term contract at his current salary, or makes a convincing case to get him to take a small pay cut (we're talking small here- as in no more than a million dollars) I think they have a really good chance to win his services.

My plan, were I in Holland's shoes would be to give Hossa a HUGE contract for next year. Like 9 million (assuming it can be squeezed in under the increased cap), even though it'd eat up all the remaining wiggle room for next year. Then the contract would decline to be 6 million or less in the 09-10 season (when Zetterberg's new contract would start). Hossa should know how the math works in the financial world- big money now > big money later (assuming he actually invests something ).

[YoungGuns1340 1]

How in the hell did you come up with that steaming turd of knowledge. No weaknesses?! How bout the fact that they are ranked #30 in goal scoring, or #1 in penalties or the fact that they have no backup goaltender with any experience, or that they have lost young studs for injury prone old players like Bertuzzi and Schneider and Weight.

No weaknesses. That is such a stupid statement that is is mind boggling.

They have lost young stud? They lost McDonald..who was far from a stud...and Penner too, who hasnt put up many more points than Bert has this year.

And yeah, they may be 30th in goal scoring, but they played the majority of the year withOUT Niedermayer, Selanne, and Sundin if they add him.

Any team that can boast of having Schneider, Niedermayer, Pronger, Beauchemin, Giguere, Selane, Sundin, Bertuzzi, Getzlaf, and Perry basically has no weaknesses. Selanne and Perry are big goal scorers, theyve got 3 of the best offensive Dmen in the game, 2 top 5 defenders, young talent in all areas, a ton of grit, a lot of speed, leadership, energy, defensive forwards, energy forwards, enforcers...

YES. IF Anaheim were to add Sundin, they would have bascially no weaknesses. They take a lot of penalties? Do you think they care when they have the likes of Pronger, the Niedermayer brothers, Pahlsson, and Giguere to throw out there?? I think not. Especially when half the time theyre penalized, its because theyve physically hurt an opposing player..

[Dabura 12,232]

Any team that can boast of having Schneider, Niedermayer, Pronger, Beauchemin, Giguere, Selane, Sundin, Bertuzzi, Getzlaf, and Perry basically has no weaknesses. Selanne and Perry are big goal scorers, theyve got 3 of the best offensive Dmen in the game, 2 top 5 defenders, young talent in all areas, a ton of grit, a lot of speed, leadership, energy, defensive forwards, energy forwards, enforcers...

JUST BECAUSE THEY LOOK GOOD ON PAPER...

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[dallas27 7]

I don't know why people are still arguing that Hossa should not come to Detroit...and that Hossa would be a rental player. I would guess roughly half this thread is explaining that Hossa would not be a rental player.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Perhaps but if Hossa is only a rental, there is no way Kenny would give up Flip for him. Kenny made that mistake last year and I don't see him doing it two years in a row. If we could get him with a 2-3 year contract, maybe.

Don't worry dude- Kenny's already stated he won't trade a good roster player for a rental. If the Wings land Hossa he won't be as a simple rental- bank on that.

As for last year being a mistake- I respectfully disagree. All deadline trades are, at least on some level, a gamble. Bert was the deal of the deadline. We got a potential game changer (yes- said potential- that's why these deals are gambles) for a prospect that was, at the time, only midlevel on the prospect depth chart. No one knew the end results, but had that Jack-ass Burke not offered Burt a stupidly inflated contract in the summer the wings would likely still have a decent second line power forward right now- something Matthis isn't likely to become in the near future.

[rage 24]

I don't know why people are still arguing that Hossa should not come to Detroit...and that Hossa would be a rental player. I would guess roughly half this thread is explaining that Hossa would not be a rental player.

I know. I can't even listen to Detroit Radio. It's the same damn thing.

I have found my answer! Pistons are beating the snot out of Shaq and the Suns!!

[Superman54 91]

If Hossa comes to Detroit, I think we can almost guarantee that he will not be a rental player

Holland is already uncomfortable giving up prospects, and no way in hell would he give up what Waddell is asking for a player that would only be here for the spring. If Hossa wants to play with a contender team every year, I think he knows the Wings would be the best choice, of course it aint up to him to decide where he goes, so we can only hope on Kenny......Cmon Kenny!!!