Viperar 16 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 I'm pretty sure Datsyuk's name in on the '02 cup, correct me if I am wrong.* But I agree Datsyuk shy's away in the playoffs for sure, so why do we want to add another "scorer" and put the weight of carrying our offense on their shoulders if they are going to play poorly? They are both regular season players... As you can see in the standings, we don't need to win in the regular season, we have that part down pat. Its the playoffs that really count *I am wrong hahaha, your argument is a joke. Ok great Dats' name is on a cup. Hockey is a team sport. Sorry if Hossa cannot carry a subpar Thrashers team through the playoffs...just grabbing for anything now i see Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 I'm pretty sure Datsyuk's name in on the '02 cup, correct me if I am wrong.* But I agree Datsyuk shy's away in the playoffs for sure, so why do we want to add another "scorer" and put the weight of carrying our offense on their shoulders if they are going to play poorly? They are both regular season players... As you can see in the standings, we don't need to win in the regular season, we have that part down pat. Its the playoffs that really count *I am wrong And you know for a FACT that Hossa is going to perform poorly in the playoffs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SnipeShow 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 hahaha, your argument is a joke. Ok great Dats' name is on a cup. Hockey is a team sport. Sorry if Hossa cannot carry a subpar Thrashers team through the playoffs...just grabbing for anything now i see How do you explain Hossa's play when he was on the Senators? They had good, talented, rounded teams and they rarely made it past the first round. Hossa has something like 13 goals in 50some playoff games. I'm sorry I just can't see the upside to getting Hossa. Lets say he turns out just to be a rental, I'm positive we won't win the cup if Hossa is supposed to be our big addition. Think about us playing Anaheim, we would get knocked around so badly. We need some guys who have offensive abilities and can play the body well too. If it turns out that we get him and sign him to a multi-year deal worth what roughly 7 million a year, then that means we win a couple more presidents trophies... great. And then fail epicly in the playoffs year after year. Phenomenal, I'm all for it. Lets try and get the softest team out there and see how badly Anaheim will crush us. Hooray. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SnipeShow 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 (edited) And you know for a FACT that Hossa is going to perform poorly in the playoffs? He has been the proving that to all of us. I'm just telling you how it is. Edited February 23, 2008 by SnipeShow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 He has been the proving that to all of us. I'm just telling you how it is. Since you can predict the future can you tell me the winning lotto numbers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 Good point - however with Hossa added I'm guessing Filppula, and Hudler are gone What does Holland then do about our 2nd line?...This is why I'm thinking if Fedorov can be had for a mid-round draft pick - it'll stabalize what remnants we have left for a 2nd line. Even if we assume Flip, Hudler and Sammy are all gone (not happening, but let's say it does), that still leaves Hank, Dats, Homer, Cleary, Franzen. Throw in Hossa and you've got your top 6. To me, that's a fantastic group. Scoring touch with lots of grit between Homer, Cleary and Franzen. And Hossa knows how to use his size. A+ why do we want to add another "scorer" and put the weight of carrying our offense on their shoulders if they are going to play poorly? Who says Hossa's going to play poorly? Who says Datsyuk's going to play poorly? Who says either of them will need to carry the load all by himself? If anything, adding Hossa would give the Wings more flexibility in this matter; if Dats craps out, we still have Hossa, and vice-versa. And of course you need to throw Hank in there. I don't imagine either of them would play poorly, though. Hossa in particular. Like someone said earlier in this thread (or maybe it was the other one...), Hossa on this team could pretty much do anything he wants. The guy would, simply put, be a juggernaut here -- that's almost guaranteed. At the worst, he'd be merely good, which would still be better than what a guy like Hudler could offer. Also, let's not forget that Dats is a playmaker by trade, and a shifty one at that. And you know what shifty playmakers really like? Shifty goal-scorers who need shifty playmakers. Wings need a top-tier goal-scorer. Hossa is a top-tier goal-scorer. Wings need a long-term top-tier goal-scorer. Hossa is a long-term top-tier goal-scorer. Wings need a big-bodied, long-term top-tier goal-scorer. Hossa is a big-bodied, long-term top-tier goal-scorer. Wings need a big-bodied, long-term top-tier goal-scorer on the wing. Hossa is a winger. Getter done, Kenny. Getter done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 Like someone said earlier in this thread (or maybe it was the other one...), Hossa on this team could pretty much do anything he wants. The guy would, simply put, be a juggernaut here -- that's almost guaranteed. That was Bear (me) that said that. And I would take that statement into the wild with me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SnipeShow 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 Since you can predict the future can you tell me the winning lotto numbers? I'm not predicting the future, I'm going with what has been proven in the past. I'm going to predict right now that the Wings don't get Hossa, we make maybe one or two minor additions, though. Kenny wouldn't give up whatever Atlanta is asking for because he never makes huge deals. If it turns out we get Hossa and he plays well (we don't even have to win the cup) I will be the first person on here saying I'm sorry, I was wrong. I don't want to come across like a Hossa hater or a non-believer in this team, I'm just trying to be realistic in this scenario. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 I'm not predicting the future, I'm going with what has been proven in the past. I'm going to predict right now that the Wings don't get Hossa, we make maybe one or two minor additions, though. Kenny wouldn't give up whatever Atlanta is asking for because he never makes huge deals. If it turns out we get Hossa and he plays well (we don't even have to win the cup) I will be the first person on here saying I'm sorry, I was wrong. I don't want to come across like a Hossa hater or a non-believer in this team, I'm just trying to be realistic in this scenario. Kenny never makes huge deal? Kenny has been working under the salary cap for all of TWO seasons. At the first deadline, we added Cross - basically nothing. At the second deadline, we added Bertuzzi and Calder - two middle of the road trades. Neither of those deadlines are remotely comparable, and yet youre gonna judge Hollands entire mentality by all of two deadlines?? Whose to say that at this deadline, he doesnt keep going bigger and add a Hossa player, or at least two substantial additions like Prospal and Salei?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SnipeShow 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 Kenny never makes huge deal? Kenny has been working under the salary cap for all of TWO seasons. At the first deadline, we added Cross - basically nothing. At the second deadline, we added Bertuzzi and Calder - two middle of the road trades. Neither of those deadlines are remotely comparable, and yet youre gonna judge Hollands entire mentality by all of two deadlines?? Whose to say that at this deadline, he doesnt keep going bigger and add a Hossa player, or at least two substantial additions like Prospal and Salei?? Where in the world did I ever say the last two deadlines? and your substantial additions are what I am talking about when I said a couple minor additions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 They had good, talented, rounded teams and they rarely made it past the first round. Sorry, but the Senators aren't the Wings. I mean that in a lot of different ways. For one, chemistry is always a concern. For example, Vinny Lecavalier is every bit as good as Henrik Zetterberg, if not altogether better. But there's nothing to say he would connect with Datsyuk the way Hank does. I'm sorry I just can't see the upside to getting Hossa. He's an affordable upgrade over Flip. Hell, an upgrade over Flip and Hudler combined. He offers something no one in the Wings' system outside of Hank can offer: explosive scoring ability. Not even Datsyuk can offer that, as he's a playmaker by trade, not a goal-scorer. And just to hammer this point home, DATSYUK WAS INVISIBLE IN THE POSTSEASON UP UNTIL THIS PAST RUN. Rejecting Hossa because of a shaky postseason record would be ridiculous on Kenny's part, and I'm sure he's well aware of this. Motown has a way of changing careers, often for the better. Just ask Larry Murphy. Hell, ask Daniel Cleary! Lets say he turns out just to be a rental If he signs here, we will get least two seasons of service from him, guaranteed. Holland has said he won't add a rental and it's widely accepted that Hossa wants a long-term deal. We need some guys who have offensive abilities and can play the body well too. Then Hossa's our man. He's a big guy and has been described as being practically unstoppable when he puts his mind to it (see his hat trick against us). His combination of speed, strength and puck wizardry could easily make a guy like Pronger look downright silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 I'm not predicting the future, I'm going with what has been proven in the past. So Datsyuk is going to do nothing in the playoffs as well, based on what he has done in the past? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 True - however God forbid we have a few injuries to our top 6 forwards - the talent level drops off considerably...Guess we can't have everything Truth. However, what I offered is a worst-case scenario. We'd almost certainly keep one of Hudler and Samuelsson, if not both. While I don't care much for either of those guys, they would give us some depth within the top 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SnipeShow 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 Sorry, but the Senators aren't the Wings. I mean that in a lot of different ways. For one, chemistry is always a concern. For example, Vinny Lecavalier is every bit as good as Henrik Zetterberg, if not altogether better. But there's nothing to say he would connect with Datsyuk the way Hank does. He's an affordable upgrade over Flip. Hell, an upgrade over Flip and Hudler combined. He offers something no one in the Wings' system outside of Hank can offer: explosive scoring ability. Not even Datsyuk can offer that, as he's a playmaker by trade, not a goal-scorer. And just to hammer this point home, DATSYUK WAS INVISIBLE IN THE POSTSEASON UP UNTIL THIS PAST RUN. Rejecting Hossa because of a shaky postseason record would be ridiculous on Kenny's part, and I'm sure he's well aware of this. Motown has a way of changing careers, often for the better. Just ask Larry Murphy. Hell, ask Daniel Cleary! If he signs here, we will get least two seasons of service from him, guaranteed. Holland has said he won't add a rental and it's widely accepted that Hossa wants a long-term deal. Then Hossa's our man. He's a big guy and has been described as being practically unstoppable when he puts his mind to it (see his hat trick against us). His combination of speed, strength and puck wizardry could easily make a guy like Pronger look downright silly. Great arguments. Very true on the last playoff run, Datsyuk wasn't so great at the beginning of the playoffs but he really turned it around and played great. The next point I bolded, I hope it really happens. I hope we get Hossa and I hope he makes Pronger look downright silly. My fingers are crossed. My toes are crossed. My eyes are crossed. Everything is crossed, but I highly doubt its going to happen. Pronger would most likely head shot him or something filthy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SnipeShow 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 (edited) So Datsyuk is going to do nothing in the playoffs as well, based on what he has done in the past? Going off of what he has shown us over the past couple years I would think he will score maybe 10-15 points this playoff run. He always takes a couple games to get into the groove of playoff hockey doesn't he? He never really tears it up like he does some games in the regular season. I hope he scores 20 or 30 points though The 10-15 range is assuming he plays 2 or 3 rounds of hockey, we can't be too cocky on going the whole way Edited February 23, 2008 by SnipeShow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 Datsyuk alone made Pronger look like a fool on at least two occasions in that series. Now imagine Datsyuk barreling down with Hossa on the wing. I dare say Chrissy would s*** himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SnipeShow 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 It seems apparent to me that a lot of people aren't seeing it the same way I'm seeing it, which is fine. I really hope I'm wrong and that we get Hossa and we destroy everyone with our offensive wizardry. I am just trying to be realistic and not hyping myself up for dissappointment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 Trust me, I'm about as pessimistic a Wings fan as you're likely to find; I don't like the way the roster was managed this season, and I'm not crazy about its chances against the Ducks, even with Hossa on the team. Ideally, I'd like the Wings to land a Thornton-type player -- someone who can not only light the lamp, but also play a physical, mean, nasty game. But they won't be seeing a player like that in their ranks for quite some time. Hossa is the next-best thing. And that's a pretty damn good next-best thing, imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 What credentials did Datsyuk have before this past postseason? And keep in mind, Datsyuk has had the luxury of playing in lights-out lineups his entire postseason career. Hossa has not. Bring on the complaints, folks. I'll keep knocking them down. Hossa did have lights out line ups. Playing with Spezza, Havlat, Alfredsson, etc. Just because the Sens always choked didnt mean they didnt have a good line-up. Hossa choked with them. If the deal is Filpula and Hudler for Hossa, I wont complain, but folks he is not the answer, just because you think he is, doesnt mean he is. People will still tell us we're too soft and small, and by trading for Hossa, you only get a bigger body. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 Hossa did have lights out line ups. Playing with Spezza, Havlat, Alfredsson, etc. Just because the Sens always choked didnt mean they didnt have a good line-up. Hossa choked with them. I'd take the corresponding Wings team over each of those Sens teams. he is not the answer, just because you think he is, doesnt mean he is. He may not be The Answer (whatever that is), but damn if he won't help this team a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 He may not be The Answer (whatever that is), but damn if he won't help this team a lot. I can agree with that. He couldnt hurt, and for such a cheap price (If Filpula+Hudler+pick were the deal) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 23, 2008 Hossa would be able to do anything he wants out there on the Wings. He's also lazy and confessed earlier this year that he hasn't been as into the game as he was earlier in his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 He's also lazy and confessed earlier this year that he hasn't been as into the game as he was earlier in his career. But is he lazy and does he suck? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 He's also lazy and confessed earlier this year that he hasn't been as into the game as he was earlier in his career. That tends to happen when you find yourself stuck on the Atlanta Thrashers. Thrashersitis is the medical term, I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinbin 3 Report post Posted February 23, 2008 Sundin's not coming here. I wouldn't mind eating crow in this case, but look at the facts: - Holland has made it known he doesn't want a rental, but rather, someone who's going to be with the Wings for the long haul. - Every sign points to Sundin being a postseason rental. He doesn't even want to commit to the Leafs for more than a season. - Sundin is nearing the end of his career. - Sundin is a Leaf. The Wings are the Wings. Not coming here, imo. AMEN, Brotha! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
