ryan miller

[Guest octopusdank]

I didn't see another thred for this, but sorry if there is. Just read an article about the very small possibility of him coming here, anyone like it?? will we scrambling for a goalie when hasek is done or is howard ready for the big time? personally i like the latter, but who knows?

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2008/03/mi...oncommitta.html

Edited March 3, 2008 by octopusdank

[Opie 308]

Next year will be a big year for the goalie situation in DET.

The way I see it would shape out like this:

1) Howard wows the org next year playing back up for Ozzie and wins the starting job for the year after. NO Miller.

2) Howard looks good but the Org is unsure, Ozzie is under contract, the team stays with J-ho and Ozzie. NO miller, but there will be a goalie hunt at the Deadline or in the following offseason.

3) J-ho bombs out, the team signs Miller in the offseason before 09-10, J-ho becomes a permanent fixture in GR until the wings draft the next goallie.

4) Ozzie continues to shine and J-ho looks decent but not starter ready, the team goes for one more year of Ozzie/Howard before jumping to Howard/Ozzie. NO Miller!

Other options that the team MAY consider:

-Lehtonen RFA at season's end, would cost them a boat load, probably would only happen if they pulled a thrashers/flyers agreement. Sign and trade or trade rights to DET.

Other than that any goalie that looks like a for real starter is locked up long term, with no real great back up behind them.

Miller is the only netminder getting ready to hit UFA, most other netminders that you would want starting are locked up for at least 3 years. Maybe Vokoun asks out of Fla. Who knows, maybe SJ puts out yet another quality netminder.

But the wings are basically looking at 3 -4 options and they all have question marks:

Howard ? does he have the stuff

Ozzie ? Was this year a fluke

Miller ? what kind of coin will he look for, he will be bar none the most highly touted UFA, seeing as a good quality starting netminder is hard to find and there are a lot of teams with goaltending issues.

Hasek ?? Health, retirement

[rwfan007 18]

i think we should definitely pursue miller, he is young, good, and from MI. He is a goalie that could take us into the next 5-8 years and get us out of the older goalie phase we have been in since '01.

[Guest octopusdank]

Next year will be a big year for the goalie situation in DET.

The way I see it would shape out like this:

1) Howard wows the org next year playing back up for Ozzie and wins the starting job for the year after. NO Miller.

2) Howard looks good but the Org is unsure, Ozzie is under contract, the team stays with J-ho and Ozzie. NO miller, but there will be a goalie hunt at the Deadline or in the following offseason.

3) J-ho bombs out, the team signs Miller in the offseason before 09-10, J-ho becomes a permanent fixture in GR until the wings draft the next goallie.

4) Ozzie continues to shine and J-ho looks decent but not starter ready, the team goes for one more year of Ozzie/Howard before jumping to Howard/Ozzie. NO Miller!

Other options that the team MAY consider:

-Lehtonen RFA at season's end, would cost them a boat load, probably would only happen if they pulled a thrashers/flyers agreement. Sign and trade or trade rights to DET.

Other than that any goalie that looks like a for real starter is locked up long term, with no real great back up behind them.

Miller is the only netminder getting ready to hit UFA, most other netminders that you would want starting are locked up for at least 3 years. Maybe Vokoun asks out of Fla. Who knows, maybe SJ puts out yet another quality netminder.

But the wings are basically looking at 3 -4 options and they all have question marks:

Howard ? does he have the stuff

Ozzie ? Was this year a fluke

Miller ? what kind of coin will he look for, he will be bar none the most highly touted UFA, seeing as a good quality starting netminder is hard to find and there are a lot of teams with goaltending issues.

Hasek ?? Health, retirement

awesome, thanks for the reply im feeling number 4, but would love to see ozzie continue his good play

ps. awesome quote on the bottom!! those guys were ridiculous

Edited March 3, 2008 by octopusdank

[Rick 42]

The hockey shows on XM have been speculating about that as well.

One guy even said that Detroit will give him the 8 mil he deserves.

thats a lot.

[Opie 308]

i think we should definitely pursue miller, he is young, good, and from MI. He is a goalie that could take us into the next 5-8 years and get us out of the older goalie phase we have been in since '01.

The issue with this is that either the Wings have to trade for him this offseason which would require an absurd amount of prospects and/or roster players to get him.

Or they trade for him at next years deadline when it will be obvious what the Wing's need and then the price will go up from there, unless he is having a s***ty year!

Or they sign him off of UFA, which means about 16 of the 30 teams will be also looking for a franchise goalie and he will be the only one out there. He will cost some where in the 6 mil for 8-10 year range. Dipietro got 4.5 when the market was low, Luongo got 6-7.5 per year for 5. With salary cap going up and Miller being the premier goaltender available he will probably garner Luongo-esque numbers as far as the 6-6.5 goes not the tail end of it at 7.5.

Assuming Dats, Z, Lids, Ralf are still all with the team in a season you will have the following damages already on the cap:

Dats 6.7

Lids 7.4

Ralf 6

Z 7+ (assuming that he signs for a home town discount)

Miller 6+

That would be well over 30 mil in those 5 alone (33.1) and those last two are just guesses, could they be lower, sure, but odds are it would be higher if anything!

Where as the Ozzie/J-ho option looks more like

Ozzie 1.4

Howard 1

Obviously Miller is a proven netminder, but skill is no longer the only requirement the Wings look at, thank you very much Mr. Salary Cap, screw you. Sorry about that last part!!

Edited March 3, 2008 by Opie

[Guest octopusdank]

The hockey shows on XM have been speculating about that as well.

One guy even said that Detroit will give him the 8 mil he deserves.

thats a lot.

ouch seems like itd be a hard bargain, i dunno if im willing to deal that!! thatd mean filp or hudler going right?? both??? AHHHH!!!

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

even after our 3rd and 4th line guys scored on him last night? hahahah. nah hes ok b ut i really don't see us giving up on howard after all this.

[2probert4 8]

Next year will be a big year for the goalie situation in DET.

The way I see it would shape out like this:

1) Howard wows the org next year playing back up for Ozzie and wins the starting job for the year after. NO Miller.

2) Howard looks good but the Org is unsure, Ozzie is under contract, the team stays with J-ho and Ozzie. NO miller, but there will be a goalie hunt at the Deadline or in the following offseason.

3) J-ho bombs out, the team signs Miller in the offseason before 09-10, J-ho becomes a permanent fixture in GR until the wings draft the next goallie.

4) Ozzie continues to shine and J-ho looks decent but not starter ready, the team goes for one more year of Ozzie/Howard before jumping to Howard/Ozzie. NO Miller!

Other options that the team MAY consider:

-Lehtonen RFA at season's end, would cost them a boat load, probably would only happen if they pulled a thrashers/flyers agreement. Sign and trade or trade rights to DET.

Other than that any goalie that looks like a for real starter is locked up long term, with no real great back up behind them.

Miller is the only netminder getting ready to hit UFA, most other netminders that you would want starting are locked up for at least 3 years. Maybe Vokoun asks out of Fla. Who knows, maybe SJ puts out yet another quality netminder.

But the wings are basically looking at 3 -4 options and they all have question marks:

Howard ? does he have the stuff

Ozzie ? Was this year a fluke

Miller ? what kind of coin will he look for, he will be bar none the most highly touted UFA, seeing as a good quality starting netminder is hard to find and there are a lot of teams with goaltending issues.

Hasek ?? Health, retirement

Lehtonen -- Atlanta wants too much, Lehtonen is injury prone and inconsistent.

Vokoun - getting up there in age, would demand more than he's worth.

If Miller is there, I think they go for him

[irishtemper14+25 11]

if we have a shot at signing miller, pick him up in a heatbeat...keep j-ho in the minors til he can be millers backup and ozzie retires

[SweWings 45]

We also have a darkhorse in Daniel Larsson. And he'll likely also be ready at the end of the '09 season. Hopefully he'll be the go-to Swe goalie for international tournaments by then and will have won SEL with Djurgården (not sure if I like this but hey if it gives Detroit a good goalie...). Other than that I'd prefer Howard to pan out but if that doesn't happen then...

[Swede40 0]

if we have a shot at signing miller, pick him up in a heatbeat...keep j-ho in the minors til he can be millers backup and ozzie retires

Howard only has 1 more season where he can be sent to the minors. After next season he'd have to clear waivers.

[dallas27 7]

I'd rather have Hossa + Howard than just Miller.

[RedFX 48]

I don't see us making a big run at Miller, unless the market for him is cold. Vokoun still has 3 years left on his contract and Florida is unlikely to buy him out. I only see Lehtonen coming in as a backup for Osgood (if they don't feel like Howard is ready). The most likely scenario I see is Osgood starting with Howard backing him up.