Barry Trotz turned into a Nancy

[Copenhagen848 58]

He also said that the refs told him on the goal didn't count because they were in the process of blowing their whistle when the net came off. Trotz said that was a "bail out". Mickey even commented negatively on the "bail out" reference by Trotz.

[Nero 20]

Like I said in the GDT, I honestly don't care. If his negligence and misplacement of blame results in Detroit winning more, then I am all for it.

[Reds4Life 51]

Just watched his post-game comments on redwings.com..it's good he's bitter it will get into their heads and they will not be able to focus on the game. Trotz's reactions are ridiculous, but why blame him? He needs some excuses to keep his job.

[Swede40 0]

If the Preds get swept, Trotz will be looking for a new job.

[Rivalred 630]

In game one the Z goal should not of counted, now in game two the goal where Homer was near the net should not of counted.

Next he will be saying the goal when Hull's skate was in the crease when the Stars won the cup should not of counted either...

Edited April 12, 2008 by Rivalred

[Rivalred 630]

In game one the Z goal should not of counted, now in game two the goal where Homer was near the net should not of counted.

Next he will be saying the goal when Hull's skate was in the crease when the Stars won the cup should not of counted either...

[Guest nutz2u]

:violin:

[RedLightGoesOn 81]

In the Trotz thought Zberg goal shouldn't have counted thread, I stated that he and fans were well within their rights/fairness of being upset that Zetterberg's goal counted when it could have gone either way (offsides, Zetterberg trip).

Today was a pretty wacky game, no goal early for the Predators et al, I don't need to explain any more as we watched.

I still stand by that anybody can complain about inconsistent officiating and the like when calls might not be obvious.

However, if all he's going to do is complain about the refs and not get on the players cases and what not, that's not good to me either. Bad breaks and inconsistent hockey calls are a part of every game, every period (as I also stated in that other thread). Again, I think it is perfectly fair for him to complain about it, but it's a part of every game and you and your team has to overcome those adversities or questionable calls. Because honestly, the only two players showing up for Nashville right now on a consistent basis are Ellis, and as much as I hate saying this, Tootoo. Their top line has barely done squat.

True, but that's what happens in playoff hockey....need I remind everyone of the "kick-in" goal by the Oilers in 06 that eliminated us? We have had our share of bad calls towards us, its actually exciting that we've had two big ones go our way, but it is what it is. I know it sucks, we've been on the short end of the stick several times and visa-versa. This is all just the price of doing business.

[Guest Mac4Life25]

Trotz is just angry because we once again dominated his team.

He should expect the trend to continue.

Wings in 4!

[BlueMonk 102]

I think it's a bad move on Trotz's part, as I said on the GDT. It only gives his team an excuse. Instead of calling them out for needing to be better, he lets them off the hook. Hopefully, it works to the Wings' advantage over the rest of the series.

Homer's goal... seriously, there were players all over Hasek in the blue ice tonight. I'm sure some of them involved pushing and shoving with Red Wings defenders, but come on. It goes both ways.

[WingNut 25 5]

Trotz and David Poile are both acting like a couple of little ******* right now. I think it is great because it means their focus is elsewhere.

[Ontario Wingsfan 0]

Homer's goal... seriously, there were players all over Hasek in the blue ice tonight. I'm sure some of them involved pushing and shoving with Red Wings defenders, but come on. It goes both ways.

Exactly. They even mentioned during the broadcast that the refs went over to the Preds bench and warned them about running Hasek during the 1st period. What goes around, comes around.

[Third Man In 2,091]

If the Preds get swept, Trotz will be looking for a new job.

I don't think so--after the year this team had (including the off season) no one even expected them to be in the playoffs. Trotz is safe.

Trotz has always struck me as a good guy, but this whining has to stop. He's succeded in making 'breaks' the story of the series so far in the AP/CP. Yes, the Preds have had some bad breaks, but so have the Wings (Dom's 'holding the stick' with his leg changing the momentum and leading to 2 quick goals come to mind). But breaks even out over the course of the series. Detroit has outshot Nashville by 31 shots this series and has outscored them 6-3 plus an empty net goal. Sounds about right.

Good teams find a way to win games this time of year. Teams that go home complain about goaltending, officiating, and/or bad breaks. Let's hope Trotz really believes these are why his team is down 2-0, because if so they'll be home soon enough.

[Ally6729 0]

I'm a Preds season ticketholder, and I'm actually starting to agree with you guys. I think Trotz was well within his rights to question the non-offsides call in Game 1, and our disallowed goal in Game 2 was ridiculous. Even the complaints about Holmstrom maybe interfering with Ellis are legit. It's not that I don't think what he's saying is legitimate...but at this point, I don't want to hear it.

The refs made (or didn't make) the calls, and that's it. It's over. There's no point in bellyaching about it now. He should be focusing on the fact that Weber cleared the puck right into the linesman and Zanon misplayed the 2-on-1 in Game 1, and the fact that if our D had moved Holmstrom the hell out of Ellis' face instead of letting him stand there all alone we wouldn't have to worry about goalie interference. The Preds have MUCH bigger problems than the refs, and I'm annoyed that Trotz is wasting time on things that aren't within his control.

And whoever said Trotz will be gone at the end of this series, I wish. He's here at least for next year b/c we made the playoffs with a much worse team than last year. The time to fire him would've been at the end of last season, when we couldn't win a series with the most stacked roster we've ever had. I still think that if Leipold hadn't been selling the team, Trotz would be long gone by now. But Leipold didn't want to deal with getting a new coach...why would he? Ugh.

Don't worry guys, Trotz will give you the best chance to win this series. He'll make our players get permission to fight, not allow Toots to be as physical as he wants, not allow Rads to be as offensive as he wants, continue to put worthless Arnott and Dumont on the first line together, and not adjust our strategy whatsoever no matter how much it's not working. Lucky.

[Ally6729 0]

Here's TSN's take...interesting:

http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip45126#clip45126

I wish the officials would own up to their crap. In Game 1, the linesman said the puck didn't even hit him. Ridiculous!

In Game 2, the ref CLEARLY says "the net was off" and that's why it didn't count...well, obviously the net was on, and the NHL's reason for the goal not counting was that it had been blown dead b/c the ref "intended to blow the whistle". WTF? If he blew it dead, fine, but why didn't he say so on the ice?

If you mess up, own up to it! You didn't intend to blow the whistle...you insisted the net was off and you were wrong and the NHL is covering your ass. Geez.

[OsGOD 3]

Trotz is using blood money to bribe

[edicius 3,269]

I mentioned this in another thread, but it bears repeating.

Trotz said (of Holmstrom), "When I really watched it in review, his feet were in the blue," Predators coach Barry Trotz said. "According to the rules, you can't be in the blue."

Trotz really needs to brush up on his NHL rules...

From the current NHL rulebook:

69.1 Interference on the Goalkeeper - This rule is based on the premise that an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed. In other words, goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed.

It ain't illegal to be in the blue anymore, Barry. Hasn't been for almost a decade. Not since the infamous Hull goal.

[barabbas16 499]

I mentioned this in another thread, but it bears repeating.

Trotz said (of Holmstrom), "When I really watched it in review, his feet were in the blue," Predators coach Barry Trotz said. "According to the rules, you can't be in the blue."

Trotz really needs to brush up on his NHL rules...

From the current NHL rulebook:

69.1 Interference on the Goalkeeper - This rule is based on the premise that an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed. In other words, goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed.

It ain't illegal to be in the blue anymore, Barry. Hasn't been for almost a decade. Not since the infamous Hull goal.

Aaaand that would be a wrap on this argument.

Besides, his whining is inconsistent....he whines about Homer being 'in the blue' on Lidstrom's goal....but also whines that the goal that was waived off in the 1st should have counted for them...maybe I wasn't watching closely enough, but I'm pretty sure at least 75% of Radek Bonk was 'in the blue' when that puck got through.

[2probert4 8]

Fair enough, they got robbed on that first goal, but to whine about Holmstrom "being in the blue", sorry but get a life mate.

And then to complain about our 3rd goal being "lucky" after they scored on freaky bounces......

Instead of bitching about the refs, how about you complain about your captain having 1 SOG after 2 games? Or maybe how the 2nd 30mins the Wings totally dominated the game with no help from the refs?

Hasek paid them back with his open net goal for Radulov, and NBC said that Homer wasn't in the crease, even punk azz McGuire. They also had a goal against us at Nashville during the season, scored by Gelinas, Legwand had driven the net, the shot rebounded out of the blue area, but Legwand acts like he can't get out of the crease, so Gelinas gets the puck and puts it in the net, refs count the goal. What goes around, comes around. Apparently David Poile had a nice temper fit after the game about the refs also, all these guys are doing is trying to set up something for Game 3 and get some sort of an advantage. Trotz is a whiney beyatch though no doubt.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Here's TSN's take...interesting:

http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip45126#clip45126

I wish the officials would own up to their crap. In Game 1, the linesman said the puck didn't even hit him. Ridiculous!

In Game 2, the ref CLEARLY says "the net was off" and that's why it didn't count...well, obviously the net was on, and the NHL's reason for the goal not counting was that it had been blown dead b/c the ref "intended to blow the whistle". WTF? If he blew it dead, fine, but why didn't he say so on the ice?

If you mess up, own up to it! You didn't intend to blow the whistle...you insisted the net was off and you were wrong and the NHL is covering your ass. Geez.

You're preaching to the choir here. The Red Wings have been burned by "intent to blow the whistle" calls before, too. Unfortunately, its part of the rule book.

[thedisappearer 291]

*waiting for GST to call you all Homers.

Homers!!!! All of you !!!!

[Echolalia 2,961]

In regards to the offsides- the play was definitely on sides. You can see this pretty easily with the right replay, and you think the linesman would've called it if it hit him while he was offsides. He was right there.

In regards to the Homer goal- nobody can argue that against anyone in LGW after all the calls we've seen this year. We know that part of the rulebook inside out, and interference wasn't made.

However, I think they did get robbed on that first goal with the preemptive whistle or whatever excuse the refs are going to use. I also think this is another perfect example of why replays should be allowed in goal/no goal situations regardless of the refs call on the ice. Especially in playoff games.

Overall, though, if all these calls were against the wings, I would be livid, although only so much blame can be given to the refs when on consecutive nights your team has blown power play opportunities, been held without a decent amounts of shots for large margins of the game, and are generally outplayed.

In any event, with the series in Nashville now, the game should get a little more interesting.

[2probert4 8]

In regards to the offsides- the play was definitely on sides. You can see this pretty easily with the right replay, and you think the linesman would've called it if it hit him while he was offsides. He was right there.

In regards to the Homer goal- nobody can argue that against anyone in LGW after all the calls we've seen this year. We know that part of the rulebook inside out, and interference wasn't made.

However, I think they did get robbed on that first goal with the preemptive whistle or whatever excuse the refs are going to use. I also think this is another perfect example of why replays should be allowed in goal/no goal situations regardless of the refs call on the ice. Especially in playoff games.

Overall, though, if all these calls were against the wings, I would be livid, although only so much blame can be given to the refs when on consecutive nights your team has blown power play opportunities, been held without a decent amounts of shots for large margins of the game, and are generally outplayed.

In any event, with the series in Nashville now, the game should get a little more interesting.

THey mentioned during the game that the play was reviewed ?????

[Superman54 91]

wowzers!

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Nashville can whine all they want, but I doubt they have any complaints about that absurd penalty call on Hasek that led to the first goal. Holding the stick with Hasek's leg? What the hell kind of call is that? For all the crap about Z's goal in game one being "lucky", you could easily classify both of the Predators goals today as the same.

My favorite quote post-game was minus-100 Radek Bonk saying the Preds were good enough to win, except for some "lucky bounces". I guess perspective is in the eye of the beholder, because to me both Nashville goals were pretty flukey. They can continue to make excuses and placing blame on the refs, but it hardly matters. The Red Wings won both games, and deservedly so.

On to Nashville, and some of the best chants in all of sports.

Edited April 13, 2008 by GoWings1905