Avery's Screen

[Opie 308]

Oddly enough I think Avery hitting Broduer was ok because of the situation, I think his goaltender interference call was BS and the make up call 10 seconds later depicted that.

However I still think this act was BS. He is having a great series, yet this is what he gets noticed for. Had he just played hard, screen him (without fake swinging at Broduer's head) he probably would be talked about because of his Offensive production, but alas, Avery's ass does more of his thinking than his brain I think!

Edited April 14, 2008 by Opie

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Once again... What is this integrity you speak of? Certainly NOT in the NHL... they have none

So because the game already lacks credibility, we should just allow anything that further demeans it? Wow thats a great attitude man! I sure hope you don't approach all aspects of your life like that.

[Turretin 0]

How about that to me it makes the game of hockey look stupid. Is there a rule that says the 3rd baseman in baseball can't move up within 10 feet of the batter and start jumping up and down and hooting and hollering and waiving his arms around to distract the hitter? Probably not. But it looks pretty goddamned stupid and completely unsportsmanlike. And by unsportsmanlike I mean play the game with some damned integrity, don't make a clown out of yourself and the sport.

I was embarassed to see this. I didn't see it as funny. I can just picture the non hockey sports broadcasters and non hockey fans looking at this and laughing at how stupid it looks. Yeah, hockey's a real tough, man's game, played by the most honorable of athletes.

This makes us look like idiots.

QFT. Best comment in this entire thread.

[Redwingsfan18 1]

lmao too funny Avery

[OsGOD 3]

So because the game already lacks credibility, we should just allow anything that further demeans it? Wow thats a great attitude man! I sure hope you don't approach all aspects of your life like that.

I see nothing wrong with what Avery did...

Holmer should try that... as i said it would distract from the goal he gets taken away because he is in the crease

Not to mention this is an effing sport... not life... Perhaps people need to lighten up a bit on the non-life threatening things...

Edited April 14, 2008 by OsGOD

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

I see nothing wrong with what Avery did...

Holmer should try that... as i said it would distract from the goal he gets taken away because he is in the crease

Not to mention this is an effing sport... not life... Perhaps people need to lighten up a bit on the non-life threatening things...

Dude you're the one being all doom and gloom about the "integrity" of the nhl. We need to lighten up?

[OsGOD 3]

Dude you're the one being all doom and gloom about the "integrity" of the nhl. We need to lighten up?

I am just saying pick your battles....

Dancing or HEAD BREAKING.... which do you whine or care more about... Sadly the NHL tries way to hard the curb the dancy side cause that causes people to giggle at the NHL.

Before THIS incident it was BITCHING about the JLA not being Sold out?!?! wtf?

Edited April 14, 2008 by OsGOD

[Dawgs 0]

just curious where in the rule book it states that being a distraction on the ice is against the rules of hockey. Its to the ranger's disadvantage that hes not skating around trying to keep himself open, but if he deems it more important to get inside brodeur's head, then so be it. No one says you have to skate around and chase the puck. Its what youre supposed to do but when someone does something creative like this, its up to the NJ players to handle it, we dont need the NHL implementing more rules. We have enough already.

This was the rule Maclean was citing last night:

Rule 41 Abuse of Officals and other misconduct

(g) A misconduct penalty shall be imposed on any player who persists in any course of conduct (including threatening or abusive language or gestures or similar actions) designed to incite an opponent into incurring a penalty.

If, after the assessment of a misconduct penalty, a player persists in any course of conduct for which he was previously assessed a misconduct penalty, he shall be assessed a game misconduct penalty.

Is what Avery was doing designed to incite Broduer into commiting a penalty? Well ya cant read into Avery's mind but it sure looked to me like thats exactly what he was doing and according to the rule he could be assesed a 10 minute misconduct. He went outside of normal game action for the specific purpose of goading Broduer. Id rather see the opposing team handle this and am surprised NJ didnt whack him. The refs will have a memo today not to allow this to happen again Im sure.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

This was the rule Maclean was citing last night:

Is what Avery was doing designed to incite Broduer into commiting a penalty? Well ya cant read into Avery's mind but it sure looked to me like thats exactly what he was doing and according to the rule he could be assesed a 10 minute misconduct. He went outside of normal game action for the specific purpose of goading Broduer. Id rather see the opposing team handle this and am surprised NJ didnt whack him. The refs will have a memo today not to allow this to happen again Im sure.

It was a 5-on-3 at the time, and they really couldn't afford to take another penalty. Besides, once Avery scored they were down by a goal and needed to play catch-up. Taking a retaliation penalty wouldn't have been the smartest thing in the world seeing as that you essentially take 2 minutes off the clock with little chance to score and tie the game up.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

I am just saying pick your battles....

Dancing or HEAD BREAKING.... which do you whine or care more about... Sadly the NHL tries way to hard the curb the dancy side cause that causes people to giggle at the NHL.

Before THIS incident it was BITCHING about the JLA not being Sold out?!?! wtf?

Well since they are both problems they should both be discussed. Just because one is a bigger problem doesn't mean the other should be ignored. "Dancing" as you call it, is the issue now, which is why people are discussing it. Again, yes the JLA not being sold out is an issue..which is why it has been discussed.

Frankly I'm still waiting for your response to NFM.

I can embrace players that show creativity and are pioneers to a sport, but I could never embrace players that show no respect for the game or their fellow colleagues.

That being said, I'm not referring to the game itself, I'm talking about the NHL. If you are as upset with it as your posts make you sound, why don't you key in on other hockey leagues that better suit your interest? If you still want to continue watching the NHL you obviously don't have as big of a problem with it or the way its being run.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be critical of the NHL, because I am plenty, but from you it comes off like you absolutely hate the NHL and everything to do with it. Please don't be offended because I'm certainly not trying to attack you, that's just the way I've come to know you from your posting.

I'm not quite sure either why you support something you're so obviously against.

Edited April 14, 2008 by Son of a Wing

[cirov19 1]

Both TSN and CBC analysts were crucifying Avery for screening Brodeur the way he did. If you didn't see it, check out this clip and see how you feel about it.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with what he was doing. If you want to take yourself out of a play like that to distract the goalie, then go for it. It wasn't dirty, and I really don't see anything unsportsmanlike about it. The only difference between this and a normal screen is the way that Avery was facing.

Because both CBC and TSN are Canadian networks. FSN was laughing at it how it was ridiculous, but effective.. which is really all that matters. There was no contact so CBC and TSN don't have an argument.

Personally, I love Avery and I love what he did to Brodeur. Plus, I can't stand Brodeur.

Edited April 14, 2008 by cirov19

[Yemack 1]

In 5-5, I think anyone should be allowed to do that because chances are, shots are coming at you 90mph and you have no idea it is coming. Very dangerous play.

However, I think it is worthy of game misconduct if your team is already on powerplay. (Esp 5-3)

Edited April 14, 2008 by Yemack

[Dano33 41]

I am just saying pick your battles....

Dancing or HEAD BREAKING.... which do you whine or care more about... Sadly the NHL tries way to hard the curb the dancy side cause that causes people to giggle at the NHL.

Before THIS incident it was BITCHING about the JLA not being Sold out?!?! wtf?

Unfortunately, if crap like this continues, dancing will turn into head breaking. everyone wanted someone from NJ to do something about it. If something like this happens again maybe an opposing player wont be so nice to him to let him off, we might see someone get leveled and suspensions handed out.

And it annoys me that many people here thinks this is funny and for that matter they like it. Hockey is supposed to be entertaining but not in a funny or comedic way, if you want to laugh at hockey, go watch slapshot.

Edited April 14, 2008 by Dano33

[Opie 308]

He was trying to and was successful at trying to get Broduer to take a penalty.

He faked a swing at Marty's head multiple times, why wouldn't Marty flinch. I don't care how much experience you have, how much protection you have, if a guy swings his stick towards your head you are going to flinch, if a shot happens when Broduer thinks he is about to get hit in the head what then, do you think it is a legit goal and move still?

[C-Dub 0]

Avery had to lift his hands and dance around because he is so damn short, he knew Brodeur could otherwise look straight over his head.

Other than that, it looked damn funny and while I would be screaming bloody murder if he did it to the Wings, I found it within the legal limits. I doubt it will catch on though, since you are effectively taking one player out of the PP. The reason you screen is not just to distract, but also to see the puck being shot and having a chance at a deflection. If someone shoots Avery in the back a few times, he'll likley a reconsider.

Still, it was f-ing awesome that he did that!

[cirov19 1]

And it annoys me that many people here thinks this is funny and for that matter they like it. Hockey isn't supposed to be entertaining but not in a funny or comedic way, if you want to laugh at hockey, go watch slapshot.

No... hockey is a game. Avery didn't do it intending to make people laugh. Things happen that amuse people and several people here love Sean Avery anyways and will choose to side with him on the majority of things he does.

We all understand already that Avery is going to do stupid things, honestly... nobody expects Avery to be above this stuff. I guess that's why it doesn't bother me...

EDIT: I sounded like an *******.

Edited April 14, 2008 by cirov19

[cirov19 1]

He was trying to and was successful at trying to get Broduer to take a penalty.

He faked a swing at Marty's head multiple times, why wouldn't Marty flinch. I don't care how much experience you have, how much protection you have, if a guy swings his stick towards your head you are going to flinch, if a shot happens when Broduer thinks he is about to get hit in the head what then, do you think it is a legit goal and move still?

Although, from this point of view it is an unnecessary action.

Edited April 14, 2008 by cirov19

[SnipeShow 0]

All of you people who are fine with this need to give your head a shake. Imagine a clown like Tootoo did this to Dom in game 3, I think you might change your minds about this. Avery really has no place in the NHL. The guy is a joke.

[McCartyFanForLife 17]

I don't think the NHL will create a new rule on this; they'll just the use the rule they already have: unsportsmanlike conduct. Avery was not trying to block Brodeur's vision so they could score a goal (although that was probably a secondary action); he was trying to incite Brodeur into a penalty. Inciting a player into a penalty is already in the rule book. If Avery was trying to block Brodeur's vision, he can use his fat arse. That blocks more of Brodeur's vision than a shaft of a stick.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I can still criticize the game... it would be foolish to say that everything is peachy keen with the league.

But... i like the sport... i can look past the non-sense for most part.. (aka players dancing, empty seats) and like the game itself... I don't really get all worked up about the idiocracies that go on all the time... SOme players are just made that way... learn to embrace them.

Os, I agree the league has so many more important issues facing it. However, those take a bit more effort to resolve. This could and should be squashed instantaneously. Might as well solve all the piddly s*** quickly if you can rather than just add it to the heaping pile of problems, no?

[Viperar 16]

All of you people who are fine with this need to give your head a shake. Imagine a clown like Tootoo did this to Dom in game 3, I think you might change your minds about this. Avery really has no place in the NHL. The guy is a joke.

oh right...no place in the nhl, maybe the rangers would love to forfeit his 3 goals he has scored for them in the playoffs so far, more so than any of our players have scored.

Disagree with his actions, thats fine, but he is far from a joke and provides passion for the Rangers every time he steps on the ice.

[Tr!PoD#19 524]

All of you people who are fine with this need to give your head a shake. Imagine a clown like Tootoo did this to Dom in game 3, I think you might change your minds about this. Avery really has no place in the NHL. The guy is a joke.

I agree. There was nothing funny about it at all, the guy is a god damned douchebag.

[OsGOD 3]

All of you people who are fine with this need to give your head a shake. Imagine a clown like Tootoo did this to Dom in game 3, I think you might change your minds about this. Avery really has no place in the NHL. The guy is a joke.

I would imagine i would get to witness a swift ass kicking by someone later in the game or in game 4... nothing wrong with that.

TooToo doesn't do that though to dom... he actually is the one of the two preds that can score on Dom this series.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

oh right...no place in the nhl, maybe the rangers would love to forfeit his 3 goals he has scored for them in the playoffs so far, more so than any of our players have scored.

Disagree with his actions, thats fine, but he is far from a joke and provides passion for the Rangers every time he steps on the ice.

Agreed. Avery and Ott are arguably the two best agitators in the league.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

No... hockey is a game. Avery didn't do it intending to make people laugh. Things happen that amuse people and several people here love Sean Avery anyways and will choose to side with him on the majority of things he does.

What are you supposed to be... the hockey God who chooses what's right and wrong? Who decides what we should find funny or not? Things are going to happen. It's a game.

Funny or not it's still stupid. Would you act like that? If so, I would question your character. As a matter of fact, this is not that surprising coming from Avery. He is a character.

Bottom line on this is that people don't do it. If this was a part of the game we wouldn't be having this discussion. I understand Avery's intent, but it's still Bush League no matter how you shake it.

That's the problem with the modern NHL player. He no longer respects himself, his opponent or the game. This is a generalization of course.

Edited April 14, 2008 by GordieSid&Ted