Avery's Screen

[Viperar 16]

Wow, I've read through a dozen pages of complete s*** and pointless arguments perpetuated mainly by you.

Especially that comment, why waste your time? You are usually a great poster here, so what crawled up your ass today?

Don't worry, the Caps will play better tomorrow. Ovechkin was invisible yesterday, he won't play that way twice.

what a brilliant post. I merely pointed out that what he posted wasn't funny thats all...chilll

and yeah ovechkin was invisible...and i hope the caps will rebound. I wasn't being sarcastic either, your post made me laugh.

[KronwallCRUNCH 5]

I love Avery and laughed my ass off when I saw that. I don't get why it should be illegal. Get a dman to clear him out if you don't like it.

[imisssergei 0]

What I find laughable about this is most of the arguments against this are based in some manner that what Avery did somehow hurt the integrity of the game.

Integrity? How about the little things that happen every game.

Too much curve on a stick.

The little crosschecks in the corners that the refs don't call.

A goalie with pads that are illegal.

It all depends on the player who is guilty of the offense. As I said before, had Crosby done this, it wouldn't be an issue. But it was that clown Avery, so now everyone has their panties in a bunch.

Anyone remember Probie using tear away sleeves on his jersey, or how quickly he would get it off during a fight? Anyone ever see one of Bobby Hulls sticks? For some reason, what these guys did was viewed as trying to get a competitive advantage, but what Avery did is seen as bush league (that's not a shot at anyone just a general statement).

The NHL now has rules as a direct result of both players. The tie-down strap on a jersey is a great example of the NHL actually changing equipment based on a single player. The limit on the curve a player can have is another.

Personally, I have no problems with what Avery did. IMO to call is bush league, or poor sportsmanship is losing sight of things. I think the reason you haven't seen someone try this at the NHL level before is there was a general fear of reprecutions. Back in the day, do any of you think Mike Milbury would have hesitated one second before dropping Avery? No, he wouldn't have.

I think we can all agree that there is, now more than ever, to a certain degree a lack of respect amongst players. This is the problem, not Avery turning around and getting in Marty's face. (BTW, Drury and the ref told him to keep his stick down, then the ref told him the play was out of the zone. So now, the refs didn't seem to take issue to it either.) If Avery knew he would pay a stiff price for doing that, he wouldn't have done it. It's what made Dino so great at what he did. He knew his role. He knew the price he had to pay, and he always took a beating that would get an L.A. cop thrown in jail. It's not that Avery doesn't respect his peers, or the game. It's that he knows that the worst case scenario is that someone on the Devils might get in his face. While the best case scenario is scoring a goal. Either way, he is inside Marty's and the rest of the Devil's heads, and that alone is worth it. If players were allowed to police themselves as they once were allowed to do, this would have never happened. But instead, Avery has no fear of having to back up his actions, so what's he got to lose?

I also think it's ridiculous, as someone else pointed out, that the NHL can rewrite the rulebook within a matter of hours after something as menial as this, yet take days to make a decision on a suspension.

[OsGOD 3]

What I find laughable about this is most of the arguments against this are based in some manner that what Avery did somehow hurt the integrity of the game.

Integrity? How about the little things that happen every game.

Too much curve on a stick.

The little crosschecks in the corners that the refs don't call.

A goalie with pads that are illegal.

It all depends on the player who is guilty of the offense. As I said before, had Crosby done this, it wouldn't be an issue. But it was that clown Avery, so now everyone has their panties in a bunch.

Anyone remember Probie using tear away sleeves on his jersey, or how quickly he would get it off during a fight? Anyone ever see one of Bobby Hulls sticks? For some reason, what these guys did was viewed as trying to get a competitive advantage, but what Avery did is seen as bush league (that's not a shot at anyone just a general statement).

The NHL now has rules as a direct result of both players. The tie-down strap on a jersey is a great example of the NHL actually changing equipment based on a single player. The limit on the curve a player can have is another.

Personally, I have no problems with what Avery did. IMO to call is bush league, or poor sportsmanship is losing sight of things. I think the reason you haven't seen someone try this at the NHL level before is there was a general fear of reprecutions. Back in the day, do any of you think Mike Milbury would have hesitated one second before dropping Avery? No, he wouldn't have.

I think we can all agree that there is, now more than ever, to a certain degree a lack of respect amongst players. This is the problem, not Avery turning around and getting in Marty's face. (BTW, Drury and the ref told him to keep his stick down, then the ref told him the play was out of the zone. So now, the refs didn't seem to take issue to it either.) If Avery knew he would pay a stiff price for doing that, he wouldn't have done it. It's what made Dino so great at what he did. He knew his role. He knew the price he had to pay, and he always took a beating that would get an L.A. cop thrown in jail. It's not that Avery doesn't respect his peers, or the game. It's that he knows that the worst case scenario is that someone on the Devils might get in his face. While the best case scenario is scoring a goal. Either way, he is inside Marty's and the rest of the Devil's heads, and that alone is worth it. If players were allowed to police themselves as they once were allowed to do, this would have never happened. But instead, Avery has no fear of having to back up his actions, so what's he got to lose?

I also think it's ridiculous, as someone else pointed out, that the NHL can rewrite the rulebook within a matter of hours after something as menial as this, yet take days to make a decision on a suspension.

[cboth686 0]

Discussion between Avery and Brodeur:

"WHO ARE YOU?"

"SEAN AVERY"

"WHO?!"

"SEAN AVERY"

"WHO?!"

"SEAN AVERY"

"OH, A NOBODY COMPARED TO ME, NOW GET OUT OF MY WAY, I HAVE RECORDS TO BREAK, NO TIME TO MAKE A LIVING OFF BEING ANNOYING."

Puck slapped from the point, hitting Avery in the back of the neck crushing his 3rd vertabrae, ending his joke of a career!

[interminded 1]

Truly great players don't have to resort to such actions.

Once more Sean Avery proves he's nothing more than a mediocre player and a even more mediocre human being.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

What I find laughable about this is most of the arguments against this are based in some manner that what Avery did somehow hurt the integrity of the game.

Integrity? How about the little things that happen every game.

Too much curve on a stick.

The little crosschecks in the corners that the refs don't call.

A goalie with pads that are illegal.

It all depends on the player who is guilty of the offense. As I said before, had Crosby done this, it wouldn't be an issue. But it was that clown Avery, so now everyone has their panties in a bunch.

Anyone remember Probie using tear away sleeves on his jersey, or how quickly he would get it off during a fight? Anyone ever see one of Bobby Hulls sticks? For some reason, what these guys did was viewed as trying to get a competitive advantage, but what Avery did is seen as bush league (that's not a shot at anyone just a general statement).

The NHL now has rules as a direct result of both players. The tie-down strap on a jersey is a great example of the NHL actually changing equipment based on a single player. The limit on the curve a player can have is another.

Personally, I have no problems with what Avery did. IMO to call is bush league, or poor sportsmanship is losing sight of things. I think the reason you haven't seen someone try this at the NHL level before is there was a general fear of reprecutions. Back in the day, do any of you think Mike Milbury would have hesitated one second before dropping Avery? No, he wouldn't have.

I think we can all agree that there is, now more than ever, to a certain degree a lack of respect amongst players. This is the problem, not Avery turning around and getting in Marty's face. (BTW, Drury and the ref told him to keep his stick down, then the ref told him the play was out of the zone. So now, the refs didn't seem to take issue to it either.) If Avery knew he would pay a stiff price for doing that, he wouldn't have done it. It's what made Dino so great at what he did. He knew his role. He knew the price he had to pay, and he always took a beating that would get an L.A. cop thrown in jail. It's not that Avery doesn't respect his peers, or the game. It's that he knows that the worst case scenario is that someone on the Devils might get in his face. While the best case scenario is scoring a goal. Either way, he is inside Marty's and the rest of the Devil's heads, and that alone is worth it. If players were allowed to police themselves as they once were allowed to do, this would have never happened. But instead, Avery has no fear of having to back up his actions, so what's he got to lose?

I also think it's ridiculous, as someone else pointed out, that the NHL can rewrite the rulebook within a matter of hours after something as menial as this, yet take days to make a decision on a suspension.

Yes, players skirt the rules when they use oversized pads or an illegal curve. However, those things aren't flagrantly flaunted in front of the viewing audience for all the world to see. Until a goalie's pads are found to be too big, you have no clue that they are. Until a guy's stick is measured to have too much curve you have no idea that it is. Until a baseball player's bat is found to be corked or a pitcher is scuffing up a ball you have no idea its going on. It's not in your face. It's not in the public's face. What Avery did is so different. From a standpoint of cheating the integrity of the game these things are all the same, yes. But on another level there is so much difference between having an illegal curve, which nobody can tell until they check it and what Avery was doing for all the world to see. IMO, making a mockery of yourself and the game in full view of the world has far worse repercussions for the game and how its viewed versus an illegal stick or an oversized pad.

[TrueBlueblood 0]

What I find laughable about this is most of the arguments against this are based in some manner that what Avery did somehow hurt the integrity of the game.

Integrity? How about the little things that happen every game.

Too much curve on a stick.

The little crosschecks in the corners that the refs don't call.

A goalie with pads that are illegal.

It all depends on the player who is guilty of the offense. As I said before, had Crosby done this, it wouldn't be an issue. But it was that clown Avery, so now everyone has their panties in a bunch.

Anyone remember Probie using tear away sleeves on his jersey, or how quickly he would get it off during a fight? Anyone ever see one of Bobby Hulls sticks? For some reason, what these guys did was viewed as trying to get a competitive advantage, but what Avery did is seen as bush league (that's not a shot at anyone just a general statement).

The NHL now has rules as a direct result of both players. The tie-down strap on a jersey is a great example of the NHL actually changing equipment based on a single player. The limit on the curve a player can have is another.

Personally, I have no problems with what Avery did. IMO to call is bush league, or poor sportsmanship is losing sight of things. I think the reason you haven't seen someone try this at the NHL level before is there was a general fear of reprecutions. Back in the day, do any of you think Mike Milbury would have hesitated one second before dropping Avery? No, he wouldn't have.

I think we can all agree that there is, now more than ever, to a certain degree a lack of respect amongst players. This is the problem, not Avery turning around and getting in Marty's face. (BTW, Drury and the ref told him to keep his stick down, then the ref told him the play was out of the zone. So now, the refs didn't seem to take issue to it either.) If Avery knew he would pay a stiff price for doing that, he wouldn't have done it. It's what made Dino so great at what he did. He knew his role. He knew the price he had to pay, and he always took a beating that would get an L.A. cop thrown in jail. It's not that Avery doesn't respect his peers, or the game. It's that he knows that the worst case scenario is that someone on the Devils might get in his face. While the best case scenario is scoring a goal. Either way, he is inside Marty's and the rest of the Devil's heads, and that alone is worth it. If players were allowed to police themselves as they once were allowed to do, this would have never happened. But instead, Avery has no fear of having to back up his actions, so what's he got to lose?

I also think it's ridiculous, as someone else pointed out, that the NHL can rewrite the rulebook within a matter of hours after something as menial as this, yet take days to make a decision on a suspension.

Excellent post.

[OsGOD 3]

Baseball seems to be doing just fine right now... even after A-rods antics and then all the doping issues.

People are making way to big of a deal about Avery dancing in front of Brody... as evidenced by an emergancy amendment to the NHL official rules to include the silly verbage.

[Opie 308]

Melrose was just on ESPN comparing this to what Homer does and said something to the effect that Homer is making a hockey play and trying to score. He said Avery embarrassed Broduer, his teammates, the game, any one involved in the game, and anyone who loves the game.

He did say he couldn't be happier that this happened and he wished Avery would stick to playing hockey instead of the other stuff he does, which he ended by saying, "Because he has the skill to play hockey without all of the antics".

But I usually completely disagree with Melrose so take that for what it is worth.

BTW OsGod again you are comparing the act of running by a guy yelling something once, to standing in the guys field of vision, waving you arms around, swinging his stick at Broduer's head for a good 20 or more seconds.

IF Arod had stood in front of the guy waving his arms around, yelling, swinging a bat at the Blue Jay third baseman, for an extended period of time, you know longer than say a half second then maybe your comparison would be valid.

However in that case, Arod would have been out before he got to first base on his hit because he would have carried the bat out of the batters box, but other than the technicalities you are right.

Orange meet Apple, Apple, Orange!

[OsGOD 3]

BTW OsGod again you are comparing the act of running by a guy yelling something once, to standing in the guys field of vision, waving you arms around, swinging his stick at Broduer's head for a good 20 or more seconds.

Well of course i am... A-rod was disctracting the 3rd baseman at the KEY moment of the play... when the ball was coming down... So what if Avery spent more time there ... its not like they really fired any shots at brody...

[Opie 308]

OK seriously, I agree with you, only for the following two reasons:

1. Melrose shared my original opinion!

2. The MJ icon in that last post, ******* hilarious, and I have reserved using the F word due to the forum rules, but that icon deserves the use of vulgarity!!!!!!

[McCartyFanForLife 17]

Comparing A-Rod's action with Avery's antics is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

In baseball, when pop up occurs, any fielder can catch the ball. A fielder calls off the others to let them know that he has the ball, even though, any other fielder can make the play. Your looking at the ball in the sky, not the players around you. When someone says I got it, you vacate the area. A-Rod took advantage of a fielder in that position.

In hockey, when a shot is coming to the goal, the goalie has the play. No defenseman is going to call the goalie off. Even if someone is trying to distract him, he still knows that it's his job to stop the puck. Not his defensemen; not the player in front of him trying to screen him. It's still his job to stop the puck. In hockey you can deflect the puck past a goalie; in baseball a player cannot deflect a ball past another fielder (he'd be out by the way).

Comparing apples to oranges is right...

[OsGOD 3]

Comparing A-Rod's action with Avery's antics is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

In baseball, when pop up occurs, any fielder can catch the ball. A fielder calls off the others to let them know that he has the ball, even though, any other fielder can make the play. Your looking at the ball in the sky, not the players around you. When someone says I got it, you vacate the area. A-Rod took advantage of a fielder in that position.

In hockey, when a shot is coming to the goal, the goalie has the play. No defenseman is going to call the goalie off. Even if someone is trying to distract him, he still knows that it's his job to stop the puck. Not his defensemen; not the player in front of him trying to screen him. It's still his job to stop the puck. In hockey you can deflect the puck past a goalie; in baseball a player cannot deflect a ball past another fielder (he'd be out by the way).

Comparing apples to oranges is right...

a Disctraction by a member of the opposing team is a distraction by a member of the opposing team whether it is red delicious or orange

having a runner behind an in-fielder trying to call them off the ball... seems like a distraction to me.. a ploy to get the fielder to miss his assignment (catching the ball). Same as Avery was distracting Brody...trying to get him to miss his assignment (stopping the puck)

Edited April 15, 2008 by OsGOD

[McCartyFanForLife 17]

a Disctraction by a member of the opposing team is a distraction by a member of the opposing team whether it is red delicious or orange

having a runner behind an in-fielder trying to call them off the ball... seems like a distraction to me.. a ploy to get the fielder to miss his assignment (catching the ball). Same as Avery was distracting Brody...trying to get him to miss his assignment (stopping the puck)

The distraction is different because a fielder knows he other players on the field that can also field the ball. A goalie knows he is the only one. Totally different set of circumstances

[OsGOD 3]

The distraction is different because a fielder knows he other players on the field that can also field the ball. A goalie knows he is the only one. Totally different set of circumstances

Thats not the point... the point is there was no other fielders to make the catch because A-Rod (opposite) team was the one calling him off the ball... ergo ball would fall to the ground...

but anyways i think what Avery did was funny as hell... that will never change soooooo with that...

Edited April 15, 2008 by OsGOD

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

a Disctraction by a member of the opposing team is a distraction by a member of the opposing team whether it is red delicious or orange

having a runner behind an in-fielder trying to call them off the ball... seems like a distraction to me.. a ploy to get the fielder to miss his assignment (catching the ball). Same as Avery was distracting Brody...trying to get him to miss his assignment (stopping the puck)

What is your point? That they are both bush league antics?

Maybe I grew up in a strange town, city, state and went to a strange university but when I played baseball we did not mouth off and harrass the opposing guy trying to snag a pop up. That's the fans job. IMO, as a base runner or opposing player, its bush league to holler out and try to distract a guy from making a play if you are anywhere in the vicinity. Saying something from the dugout isn't the same thing.

I don't know about the Arod thing, I just know he's a total dickhead. Remember when he slapped the ball out of the Red Sox's pitcher's hand. Bush league yet again so I wouldn't be surprised.

edit: I'm not trying to get in the middle of your debate, just saying that doing this in baseball is the same thing as Avery was doing. No integrity or respect for your opponent or the game.

Edited April 15, 2008 by GordieSid&Ted

[Opie 308]

What is your point? That they are both bush league antics?

Maybe I grew up in a strange town, city, state and went to a strange university but when I played baseball we did not mouth off and harrass the opposing guy trying to snag a pop up. That's the fans job. IMO, as a base runner or opposing player, its bush league to holler out and try to distract a guy from making a play if you are anywhere in the vicinity. Saying something from the dugout isn't the same thing.

I don't know about the Arod thing, I just know he's a total dickhead. Remember when he slapped the ball out of the Red Sox's pitcher's hand. Bush league yet again so I wouldn't be surprised.

A-rod vs Arroyo

[OsGOD 3]

What is your point? That they are both bush league antics?

Maybe I grew up in a strange town, city, state and went to a strange university but when I played baseball we did not mouth off and harrass the opposing guy trying to snag a pop up. That's the fans job. IMO, as a base runner or opposing player, its bush league to holler out and try to distract a guy from making a play if you are anywhere in the vicinity. Saying something from the dugout isn't the same thing.

I don't know about the Arod thing, I just know he's a total dickhead. Remember when he slapped the ball out of the Red Sox's pitcher's hand. Bush league yet again so I wouldn't be surprised.

edit: I'm not trying to get in the middle of your debate, just saying that doing this in baseball is the same thing as Avery was doing. No integrity or respect for your opponent or the game.

My point was people got over it... it didn't taint Baseball in any way shape of form... ergo Hockey too will live to play another game... its all good we can move this out of our mind... and only discuss when some poor unfortuante goal is called back due to the Avery Rule!

THIS was my original statement leading to the A-rod discussion:

Baseball seems to be doing just fine right now... even after A-rods antics and then all the doping issues.

People are making way to big of a deal about Avery dancing in front of Brody... as evidenced by an emergancy amendment to the NHL official rules to include the silly verbage.

Edited April 15, 2008 by OsGOD

[McCartyFanForLife 17]

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Those pictures are hilarious

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

My point was people got over it... it didn't taint Baseball in any way shape of form... ergo Hockey too will live to play another game... its all good we can move this out of our mind... and only discuss when some poor unfortuante goal is called back due to the Avery Rule!

Not going to happen b/c the 18,000 players or whatever before him and the thousands that will follow won't do something as ridiculous as what Avery was doing. There's a reason this has never happened before and there's a reason why we've never seen anybody act like that in front of an NHL goalie and there's a reason why Sean Avery did act like that. There's only one person stupid enough to act like Sean Avery and that's Sean Avery.

[McCartyFanForLife 17]

My point was people got over it... it didn't taint Baseball in any way shape of form... ergo Hockey too will live to play another game... its all good we can move this out of our mind... and only discuss when some poor unfortuante goal is called back due to the Avery Rule!

It didn't really taint the game because I believe they were playing the Blue Jays and also it wasn't in the playoffs. If he had done in the ALCS or World Series, I guarantee you people would still be talking about it if MLB didn't do anything about it.

[Opie 308]

My point was people got over it... it didn't taint Baseball in any way shape of form... ergo Hockey too will live to play another game... its all good we can move this out of our mind... and only discuss when some poor unfortuante goal is called back due to the Avery Rule!

I have conceded victory to you at this point, but so that you know, people in Red Sox nation still bring this up a lot, mainly because we hate A-Rod and anything Yankees, but he has a history of doing Bush League s***!

[OsGOD 3]

It didn't really taint the game because I believe they were playing the Blue Jays and also it wasn't in the playoffs. If he had done in the ALCS or World Series, I guarantee you people would still be talking about it if MLB didn't do anything about it.

So is the Avery Rule only in effect for Post Season play?

The MLB should have done something about it... regardless

[KillerB14 2]

What I find laughable about this is most of the arguments against this are based in some manner that what Avery did somehow hurt the integrity of the game.

Integrity? How about the little things that happen every game.

Too much curve on a stick.

The little crosschecks in the corners that the refs don't call.

A goalie with pads that are illegal.

It all depends on the player who is guilty of the offense. As I said before, had Crosby done this, it wouldn't be an issue. But it was that clown Avery, so now everyone has their panties in a bunch.

Anyone remember Probie using tear away sleeves on his jersey, or how quickly he would get it off during a fight? Anyone ever see one of Bobby Hulls sticks? For some reason, what these guys did was viewed as trying to get a competitive advantage, but what Avery did is seen as bush league (that's not a shot at anyone just a general statement).

The NHL now has rules as a direct result of both players. The tie-down strap on a jersey is a great example of the NHL actually changing equipment based on a single player. The limit on the curve a player can have is another.

Personally, I have no problems with what Avery did. IMO to call is bush league, or poor sportsmanship is losing sight of things. I think the reason you haven't seen someone try this at the NHL level before is there was a general fear of reprecutions. Back in the day, do any of you think Mike Milbury would have hesitated one second before dropping Avery? No, he wouldn't have.

I think we can all agree that there is, now more than ever, to a certain degree a lack of respect amongst players. This is the problem, not Avery turning around and getting in Marty's face. (BTW, Drury and the ref told him to keep his stick down, then the ref told him the play was out of the zone. So now, the refs didn't seem to take issue to it either.) If Avery knew he would pay a stiff price for doing that, he wouldn't have done it. It's what made Dino so great at what he did. He knew his role. He knew the price he had to pay, and he always took a beating that would get an L.A. cop thrown in jail. It's not that Avery doesn't respect his peers, or the game. It's that he knows that the worst case scenario is that someone on the Devils might get in his face. While the best case scenario is scoring a goal. Either way, he is inside Marty's and the rest of the Devil's heads, and that alone is worth it. If players were allowed to police themselves as they once were allowed to do, this would have never happened. But instead, Avery has no fear of having to back up his actions, so what's he got to lose?

I also think it's ridiculous, as someone else pointed out, that the NHL can rewrite the rulebook within a matter of hours after something as menial as this, yet take days to make a decision on a suspension.

I think the point is entirely missed.

Every single thing you listed happens when players are actually PLAYING the sport of hockey. Avery stopped playing hockey the moment he focused on Broduer's sightline and followed that around instead of anything else.

Curve of the stick is to shoot the puck.

Tear away jerseys were to fight an opponent.

Crosschecking depending on the severity (and yes there is a penalty for an excessive amount) is used to fight the opponent for the puck.

I guess we will never know what would have happened if Crosby did that, cuz he didn't and that's an asinine point to try and make cuz he didnt do it. In the reference to star treatment look no further to the skate stomping incident to complain about that, because both a lower-tier and all-star player did the same thing. Look what happened. You can't argue star treatment here because there is nothing to compare it too. The point holds no weight.

I would say the NHL took a matter of hours to settle this because it was that simple. If a player stops playing hockey to try distracting a goalie instead of making a play simple as that...penalty. Now with suspensions, there is a lot more thought that needs to go into it. It's a more important process and I can't fathom why anyone would criticize them for not rushing through it.

If you can make a point to how Avery's actions contributed him to playing hockey, himself making a hockey play, I'd love to hear it and then I might just have to agree with you but for now I think I'll have to agree with the NHL rules.

somebody give me one of those cheesy thumbs up!!!