Datsyuk/Zetterberg Selke candidates

[egroen 384]

Yup... clearly have not watched them play.

If they can produce offensively, they are automatically no better than "average" at defense.

[Kira 451]

So now what about all of the posters who said he wouldn't even get nominated??

Bueller anyone Bueller!!!!!

And for those of you who think it is childish that I point out others posts like this, good, I am trying to make a point to those people that they aren't the all knowing hockey gods they think they are!!!!!

Now, see, if I had said something like this, I would have had my head handed to me on a platter. I'm glad you said it so I didn't.

I've been wanting Pasha to get this nomination for the last two months, and I am thrilled that both he and Henrik have been nominated. I honestly believe it's gonna be Pasha's. No disrespect to Henrik, but Pasha played all 82 games this year, and his stats show that.

Would it not be great to see him walk off with the Selke, the Byng, the Conn Smythe and the Cup??? Talk about the piece de resistance!

[Kira 451]

Sorry for the double post - I didn't mean for that to happen.

The fact that this is the first time both of them have gotten the nod, or even considered, is kind of surprising, after the things they have done over time. I'm just tickled to see them both getting some recognition for their work.

Edited April 25, 2008 by Kira

[RedArmy 4]

Out of the 3 it has to be Datsyuk hands down. Most take aways and + - rating is the best in the league. how many times this season we saw Datsyuk make opposition look like asses by slipping the pack away, or by coming back and ruining scoring chances for rushing forwards...

Edited April 25, 2008 by RedArmy

[Guest drwings1]

Z had 666 faceoff wins

[McCartyFanForLife 17]

I was just wondering: can there be a tie? I mean is it mathematically possible to have both Dats and Z win the award?

Edited April 25, 2008 by McCartyFanForLife

[rick zombo 3,739]

I was just wondering: can there be a tie? I mean is it mathematically possible to have both Dats and Z win the award.

That would be radical. And somewhat appropriate.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

BOTH OF THEM? That is AMAZING. Talk about a win-win!

[union drone 0]

Coffey and Lids in 94/95?

Actually, Lids and Cheli in 01/02.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I was just wondering: can there be a tie? I mean is it mathematically possible to have both Dats and Z win the award?

Datsyuk and Zetterberg are not tied. Although its statiscally possible, there would be four nominees if two players were tied. That was the case last year when Kiprusoff, Brodeur, Lundqvist, AND Luongo were all nominated for the Vezina.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I believe it was Kipper and Lundqvist who ended up tied for third.

Edit: wrong tender

Edited April 25, 2008 by YoungGuns1340

[eva unit zero 271]

It should be Zetterberg's award.

Madden and Datsyuk should be a close competition for second place.

Glad to see Rod Brind'Amour won't be getting any more 'lifetime achievement' Selke awards anymore...He was more deserving of the Selke in the mid 90s than in the years he won, and against tougher competition. Brind'Amour has always been a good defensive forward, but he has never once been the best in the league.

I am surprised to see Dats nominated, honestly. I don't think his defense is any better than about five or six other guys who have a reputation as top defensive players, and Datsyuk came into the year carrying a reputation as a liability that I expected to deprive him of some votes. He probably won't win, but that's due more to Z's total dominance than anything else.

[Frozen-Man 144]

I think both of them are such excellent and deserving candidates. Its funny because it seems that you notice Zets defense more than Dat's but the article is correct about him just subtly taking care of business and getting the take aways without all the obvious actions.

[BeeRYCE 2]

This is excellent news, totally unexpected too. I knew they were deserving, but didn't expect them to get recognition.

I thought I'd see Sharp, M. Richards, and maybe Dats or Z at the other candidate. Not both.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

It should be Zetterberg's award.

Madden and Datsyuk should be a close competition for second place.

Glad to see Rod Brind'Amour won't be getting any more 'lifetime achievement' Selke awards anymore...He was more deserving of the Selke in the mid 90s than in the years he won, and against tougher competition. Brind'Amour has always been a good defensive forward, but he has never once been the best in the league.

I am surprised to see Dats nominated, honestly. I don't think his defense is any better than about five or six other guys who have a reputation as top defensive players, and Datsyuk came into the year carrying a reputation as a liability that I expected to deprive him of some votes. He probably won't win, but that's due more to Z's total dominance than anything else.

Usually I agree with your posts, but not this one. The take-aways and +/- will give him some votes. Z may be a better all around player, but Dats is a more dangerous player. He is someone you don't want to have the puck at either end of the ice if you are playing against him. I think it will be close. I picked Dats over Z and Pahlsson for the Selke earlier in the season.

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

I am surprised to see Dats nominated, honestly. I don't think his defense is any better than about five or six other guys who have a reputation as top defensive players, and Datsyuk came into the year carrying a reputation as a liability that I expected to deprive him of some votes. He probably won't win, but that's due more to Z's total dominance than anything else.

I think two years ago that was the case. Dats came into this year as a solid defensive player. Z works harder to pressure opposing forwards (at least it seems this way to me). But if a puck gets within Pavel's reach in most cases it means an end to the other teams offensive opportunity (and he knows how to place himself in the zone to make it happen).

Anyway, I like Lady Bing better - more finesse and less grit.

[wingslogo19 281]

Nice to see 2 Wings as the candidates.. Doesn't matter to me who wins, I'll be happy with either Dats, or Hank

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I don't think anyone, including the voters know what they're looking for in this award. Whether it's plus/minus, or shorthanded goals, or whether a candidate is a star or a checking forward. It's a very hard award to judge, unless you focus on that player alone each time he's on the ice, even if he doesn't have the puck. Only coaches watch the game that way, or you have to be in person to watch it, since you can't look for that on TV.

Also, speaking of shortanded goals, I don't believe either Pavel or Hank had very many, and I'm not sure how many Madden had, but that could factor into the voters minds.

[David 2]

This may not be particularly relevant as far as Selke consideration, but I was really impressed by Pavel's ability to win battles along the boards all season long. He consistently won a TON of battles every game. At times it seemed that if he was involved along the boards, you just knew he'd come up with the puck.

[Kira 451]

It should be Zetterberg's award.

Madden and Datsyuk should be a close competition for second place.

Glad to see Rod Brind'Amour won't be getting any more 'lifetime achievement' Selke awards anymore...He was more deserving of the Selke in the mid 90s than in the years he won, and against tougher competition. Brind'Amour has always been a good defensive forward, but he has never once been the best in the league.

I am surprised to see Dats nominated, honestly. I don't think his defense is any better than about five or six other guys who have a reputation as top defensive players, and Datsyuk came into the year carrying a reputation as a liability that I expected to deprive him of some votes. He probably won't win, but that's due more to Z's total dominance than anything else.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong again. It's Pavel's.

[eva unit zero 271]

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong again. It's Pavel's.

While I rank Pavel in the top five defensive forwards, he is not better defensively than Z. He's just not. Contention, sure. But there's no way Dats is better defensively than Z. It's just not the case.

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

While I rank Pavel in the top five defensive forwards, he is not better defensively than Z. He's just not. Contention, sure. But there's no way Dats is better defensively than Z. It's just not the case.

how so?

[Doggy 130]

I'm really glad both Pav and Hank have been nominated. They as well as Madden are all very worthy candidates however I have no doubt one of our boys will get it. Which one I don't know. I'll be really happy with either one. Winning the Selke is an awesome achievement - I hope one day they both can get the honour.

To be honest, I don't understand how anyone sit and argue that one will get it over the other. Stats just don't cut it, this award is very hard to judge and both D and Z's defensive skills are exceptional. I don't care who wins out of them - they both deserve it.

[GiantRobot 0]

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong again. It's Pavel's.

What a surprise coming from you. At least you finally called him Pavel.

[Nev 1,085]

Congrats to them both, thoroughly deserved. My great fear is that they will split the vote and neither will end up winning it

For me, Datsyuk deserves it this year. Last year Zetterberg was definately the better defensive player, but this year Pav has taken it to a whole new level. To his already hard-working back check, and cunning puck-stripping, he has improved his physical play and become stronger along the boards.

And right now he is the Wings playoff MVP as well - go Datsyuk!