Opie 308 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 Hasek was brutal. Ozzie is playing great. Our team plays better with Ozzie because he is confident and our team feels it.. But Ozzie is not MVP. Anyways, if he happens to win it, I would be happy for sure! I just think we have some players who have been more valuable so far. Care to state who your MVP is, instead of just saying others are wrong!! I mean it is real easy to say others are wrong, and it is real safe to never throw your opinion out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) Care to state who your MVP is, instead of just saying others are wrong!! I mean it is real easy to say others are wrong, and it is real safe to never throw your opinion out there. I did post it in the other thread but anyways: Mule, Zata, Pav, Kronner, Lidstrom. Depends on 4th round obviously. For me, frontrunner is Zetterberg atm. Edited May 13, 2008 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 Lmao... just the fact he is 9-0 going to most likely go to the finals with better all around stats than Hasek had last season... yeah... I agree with you cdn! Do tell me all the doubters... which of the three would you rather have in net on the way to the finals? Yeah, Hasek was awesome last year. Our team was pretty average last season with all in the injuries and he gave us a great chance to win. If the skaters gave him as many 3+ leads last year as they are this year, we'd be going for our second straight. Nevermind. Right now, Ozzie is on track to get then Conn Smythe followed by Zetterberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 Yeah, Hasek was awesome last year. Our team was pretty average last season with all in the injuries and he gave us a great chance to win. If the skaters gave him as many 3+ leads last year as they are this year, we'd be going for our second straight. Nevermind. Right now, Ozzie is on track to get then Conn Smythe followed by Zetterberg. thanks Doggy... there really is an endless need here for some to trash Hasek, hoping to make Ozzie "look better," as if there's a need or a point in doing that. You can't stop it but good try... I have given up 'reasoning' with them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 If the Wings win the Cup, and Ozzie keeps up his stats, and he doesn't win the Conn Smythe? It will be because of a lack of respect, as he will be the only goaltender in recent history to post those kinds of numbers on a Cup winning team and NOT win the Smythe. Hell, his numbers from the 98 team were as good as or better than many Smythe winners who won it in more goaltender-friendly postseasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 thanks Doggy... there really is an endless need here for some to trash Hasek, hoping to make Ozzie "look better," as if there's a need or a point in doing that. You can't stop it but good try... I have given up 'reasoning' with them. I dunno. I (like you) just like both of our goalies. I don't know why one MUST be hated and everyone is split in two as a result. It feels like Northern Ireland here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 Osgood has continually made brilliant saves and instills the confidence that the Wings needed. Dare I say something a certain other goalie couldn't do, sorry, couldn't resist As for MVP. Osgood is a gear in the train that can't be stopped that is the Detroit Red Wings. There are quite a few players that can make a serious case for MVP. Ultimately the game is decided by a goalie. So Osgood should be the front runner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) No, that's just not true. It's because there was a chance we would get the Hasek we got last playoffs. That was better than Ozzie has been this playoffs. And that's pretty bloody good. That's just my opinion. Anyway, don't have such a short memory when it comes to Dom. It's not like we have watched him stink it up for years. Your obviously living in 2003, as the year before that hasek was good. Now... not so much. I may have ashort memory but long memories sure as hell dont win cups. Lmao... just the fact he is 9-0 going to most likely go to the finals with better all around stats than Hasek had last season... yeah... I agree with you cdn! Do tell me all the doubters... which of the three would you rather have in net on the way to the finals? Yeah, Hasek was awesome last year. Our team was pretty average last season with all in the injuries and he gave us a great chance to win. If the skaters gave him as many 3+ leads last year as they are this year, we'd be going for our second straight. Nevermind. Right now, Ozzie is on track to get then Conn Smythe followed by Zetterberg. Hasek was the reason we lost to anaheim imo. Game 6 was horrendous, as were several other games. thanks Doggy... there really is an endless need here for some to trash Hasek, hoping to make Ozzie "look better," as if there's a need or a point in doing that. You can't stop it but good try... I have given up 'reasoning' with them. see the problem is puckloo that your "reasoning" is compeltly biased, and filled with irrelevant material from statbooks made prior to 2005. Osgood is simply the better goalie. Get over it. Oh and if it makes you feel better i go to school with Hasek's kid and he really dosent have to many freinds. If the Wings win the Cup, and Ozzie keeps up his stats, and he doesn't win the Conn Smythe? It will be because of a lack of respect, as he will be the only goaltender in recent history to post those kinds of numbers on a Cup winning team and NOT win the Smythe. Hell, his numbers from the 98 team were as good as or better than many Smythe winners who won it in more goaltender-friendly postseasons. QFT I dunno. I (like you) just like both of our goalies. I don't know why one MUST be hated and everyone is split in two as a result. It feels like Northern Ireland here. The reason is Hasek is a douchebag. I remember he made a kid cry at this signing thing cause he rudly refused to sign a stick that he did not endorse. Also does anyone else find it funny taht Osgood has let in only 4 more goals than Hasek in 5 games? Or the fact that in a combined 60 seconds Hasek let in more goals in the Nashville series than Osgood has ALL of this series Edited May 13, 2008 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 I dunno. I (like you) just like both of our goalies. I don't know why one MUST be hated and everyone is split in two as a result. It feels like Northern Ireland here. so pointless, isn't it? I don't understand the hatred for Dom here. Never seen anything quite like it, really... esp. since Ozzie seems to actually appreciate him. I can see Oz being considered for the Conn Smythe -- but I don't see him as a shoo-in for it, as many do. Goalies generally win the CS when the team isn't capable of winning the games, so the goaltender has to. Ozzie would be (and has been) the first to say, he hasn't had to do that since the team has stepped up and played incredibly since the shaky early round one games. That takes nothing from Ozzie's efforts, but does realistically point out that Mule, Z, Datsyuk and others have been just as big, if not a bigger factor in the current roll toward the finals. Anyway, Ozzie stepped in and the team took off. It's hockey, it happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 Your obviously living in 2003, as the year before that hasek was good. Now... not so much. I may have ashort memory but long memories sure as hell dont win cups. Hasek was the reason we lost to anaheim imo. Game 6 was horrendous, as were several other games. see the problem is puckloo that your "reasoning" is compeltly biased, and filled with irrelevant material from statbooks made prior to 2005. Osgood is simply the better goalie. Get over it. Oh and if it makes you feel better i go to school with Hasek's kid and he really dosent have to many freinds. QFT The reason is Hasek is a douchebag. I remember he made a kid cry at this signing thing cause he rudly refused to sign a stick that he did not endorse. I am biased.... and you're not????? You don't even know what you're talking about half the time, and bringing Dom's kid into it... is just ridiculous. Maybe he has a reason for not wanting to associate with some of you all. I don't doubt it. Grow up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) I am biased.... and you're not????? You don't even know what you're talking about half the time, and bringing Dom's kid into it... is just ridiculous. Maybe he has a reason for not wanting to associate with some of you all. I don't doubt it. Grow up. First off, im willing to bet ive played a higher level of hockey than you ever had a sniff at, and I understand a good player or goaltender when I see one. but hey, you showed me. All im saying is its clear that Dom's pompous attitude has reached to his kid, which is why hes an outcast at northville. Also, i am biased, but only because i am a comeptitor, and wish for the wings to win. Statitics prove ti is more likely to happen with Osgood. Edited May 13, 2008 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 I dunno. I (like you) just like both of our goalies. I don't know why one MUST be hated and everyone is split in two as a result. It feels like Northern Ireland here. Hasek is more hated than Ozzie because he's not North American, he hasn't spent as many years total with the Wings as Ozzie has, and he's said and done a lot more controversial things in his career than Ozzie has. Also, the way that he left the Wings in 2004 is something that people are still sore about, while Ozzie did not leave on the same terms in 2002. There's a lot of people around the league that don't like Hasek for whatever reasons. I don't think anyone feels that way about Ozzie (except for Mike Ribeiro ). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 Hasek is more hated than Ozzie because he's not North American, he hasn't spent as many years total with the Wings as Ozzie has, and he's said and done a lot more controversial things in his career than Ozzie has. Also, the way that he left the Wings in 2004 is something that people are still sore about, while Ozzie did not leave on the same terms in 2002. There's a lot of people around the league that don't like Hasek for whatever reasons. I don't think anyone feels that way about Ozzie (except for Mike Ribeiro ). What, getting injured and giving back most of his salary because he felt bad for barely playing? Yeah what a jerk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 And, per usual, Loo starts talking about how everyone bashes Hasek and blah blah blah, her usual parade, and a milestone for Osgood turns into a Hasek thread and how everyone treats him like an animal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 What, getting injured and giving back most of his salary because he felt bad for barely playing? Yeah what a jerk. The hoopla surrounding the whole situation with Cujo, plus his antics on that day when he announced his retirement are what fans can't forget. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted May 13, 2008 And, per usual, Loo starts talking about how everyone bashes Hasek and blah blah blah, her usual parade, and a milestone for Osgood turns into a Hasek thread and how everyone treats him like an animal. She really wasn't the one that brought it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 Wow, I feel kind of bad, I haven't thought about Hasek since the first couple games...it's almost like he's not even on the team anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) First off, im willing to bet ive played a higher level of hockey than you ever had a sniff at, and I understand a good player or goaltender when I see one. Ah, the I've played hockey and you haven't argument, hence I automatically know more than you. Give me a break. I don't give a damn which goaltender you or anybody else likes or hates more, save it with the bias or anti-bias bulls**t. Osgood is the goaltender that gives the Red Wings the best chance to win right now. Hasek was very integral in helping the Wings win the Cup in 2002, was very intergral in helping the Wings make it to the WCF last year when many were calling for another early round upset, and very integral in helping the Wings get the top seed for the playoffs. He unfortuantely didn't completely do his part in the playoffs but he, along with Osgood, helped the Wings this season fairly equally. This is not going to be a stupid goaltender flame war. For the love of god, please nobody make any more posts suggesting or hinting that this will be a goalie flame war so the few dips**ts in this thread who have spewed their anti-goalie vitol don't have any more ammo to use to post, please nobody make any biased posts or anti-biased posts toward either goalie. We have had the benefit of having two very solid goalies play for the same team in not one, but two straight seasons, and one of them is coming up big for the team right now. Leave it at that. As NFM#25 says more/less, Red Wings life is much more clearer when you care about the TEAM more than your favorite goalie. Edited May 14, 2008 by SouthernWingsFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) n/m Ozzie FTW ... if you are smart Edited May 14, 2008 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) This is not going to be a stupid goaltender flame war. For the love of god, please nobody make any more posts suggesting or hinting that this will be a goalie flame war so the few dips**ts in this thread who have spewed their anti-goalie vitol don't have any more ammo to use to post, please nobody make any biased posts or anti-biased posts toward either goalie. Osgood sucks. Bench him, start Dom. Nah, just kidding. To be totally honest, I couldn't give a s*** about who starts. As long as we win the Cup. Edited May 14, 2008 by Doggy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) To be totally honest, I couldn't give a s*** about who starts. As long as we win the Cup. Neither do I. It's pathetic that some feel otherwise and have to put one goaltender down to put the other up or make either or both goaltenders look like a marytr. Edited May 14, 2008 by SouthernWingsFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites