An idea so this doesnt happen again

[Doggy 130]

How do you determine if the goalie moved into the player or the player moved into the goalie? Homer's feet are 6 inches outside of the crease. Are you going to look to see if there is conclusive evidence his big ass is over the blue line?

By looking to see if the goalie moved into the player or the player moved into the goalie. It's really not hard.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Why can't you just take away the refs responsibility to decide what is and isn't a goal, and replace it with just blowing the whistle when the play would be dead, and let the guys upstairs determine if its a goal? That way you don't have the no goal call/no review bullcrap, you don't have the potential mess of coach's reviews, and the all powerful, often opinionated refs loose a powerful notch on their direct influence over the course of the actual game.

Or better yet; any time the ref negates a goal despite the fact that the puck went in the net, its reviewable anyway.

Edited May 15, 2008 by Echolalia

[Graybeard 0]

You're kidding me right? Like all reviewable plays, if it is too difficult the original call will stand. Of course it has to be clear cut to overrule a call.

You cannot sit there and say this is harder to judge than kicking motions, high sticks and pucks crossing the line. None of it is easy. No offense, but I really see no validity to your point. That's my opinion anyway.

Exactly. Saying that this is somehow harder to review than anything else that is already reviewable is nuts. Like you say, sometimes it will be too hard to tell and a bad call will remain a bad call just because it's not irrefutable. Just like the Pens goal that was left as the same wrong call the ref made because it wasn't irrefutable. Don't use review for every interference call, but only when a goal is involved. This isn't basketball when a score doesn't mean much, a single blown call like this could decide the Stanley Cup champion. *cough* Brett Hull *cough*

[Graybeard 0]

I think every single call that any official makes during a game should be reviewed afterwards. Obviously not to affect that game as it's too late but their performance should be evaluated and made public record. Post the results at the end of the regular season, and again at the end of the playoffs. Hold them accountable for the disgraceful quality of work that has been going on. If I performed half as bad as the refs have this post season at my job I would have been fired a long time ago.

[esteef 2,679]

f*** the pace of the game! Get the damned call right! If that means using replay for every play that results or could've resulted in a goal then do it!

"Hey that non-call cost us the WCF but at least we got done in time for bowling to come on!"

Gimmie a f***in' break!

esteef

[jdog19 0]

I like the challenge idea, but I'd prefer to throw octopi on the ice as opposed to the flag. Kindof looks the same anyway.

[Graybeard 0]

f*** the pace of the game! Get the damned call right! If that means using replay for every play that results or could've resulted in a goal then do it!

"Hey that non-call cost us the WCF but at least we got done in time for bowling to come on!"

Gimmie a f***in' break!

esteef

Amen brother. Anyone who has been to see one single damn game live and got to set with their thumb in their ass waiting for a tv timeout knows exactly how much the league really cares about the "pace of the game".

[NHLrules? 32]

Ok not every goal is reviewable which imo is a absolute joke so my buddy and me were having this discussion after the game and i came up with the idea like in football coaches can challenge calls. For example the holmer goal yes its non reviewable but if you allow a coach 1 or 2 challanges a game and have the refs review the video of that play. Yes it would slow the game down but i think everyone on this board would rather put up with a 10 minute delay and have the refs get the call right then not even reviewing the play and having the play change the series.

Now im not saying dallas is going to win in fact im pretty sure we are going to wrap it up saturday.

So what do you guys think?

I thought EVERY goal was looked at by the "War room" in Toronto.

This league is a joke.

[MabusIncarnate 5,359]

A 3-2 loss instead of a 3-1 loss is what it comes down to... it was a win for Dallas, you could sense that after the 1st period. It's one game, it wasn't a series determining game, nor was it a game changing non-goal. If it was called off in OT that would have been different, or if it was game 6 or 7. It doesn't bother me personally, we will more than likely take game 5 and this will all be an afterthought. Challenges and in-depth goal reviews will just make for more stoppages and a slower game, not necessary IMO.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Dallas outplayed us last night - plain and simple. They deserved the win and probably would have won with or without the Datsyuk goal counting.

Playing with momentum is everything, esspecially in this situation. You cannot tell me that anyone would continue playing 100% if they were down 3 games to nothing and trailing in elimanation game 4.

Edited May 15, 2008 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Playing with momentum is everything, esspecially in this situation. You cannot tell me that anyone would continue playing 100% if they were down 3 games to nothing and trailing in elimanation game 4.

Exactly. Dallas is a weak minded team that wouldn't need any reasons to fold the tent. Instead, they scored first, and played hard the rest of the game.

My proposal is that all goals waved off due to Holmstrom should be reviewed. That's at least 2 games we've lost this year because of that.

[swedishseven 9]

Yup. And if you're overruled you lose your only timeout.

But people need to stop bitching about that Homer non-goal. We got away with one earlier and this one didn't swing our way so it's even.

I like the human aspect of games and that means mistakes are going to be made.

As soon as you start reviewing every goal, the game slows down and you drain the game of any momentum or spontenaity. Pretty soon players will stop celebrating and simply skate to the bench to see if it's a goal or not.

I know NHL officiating can be frustrating at times but these are the best refs in the world. Watch any IIHF World Championship games and you'll see what I mean. The officiating internationally is atrocious.

Dallas outplayed us last night - plain and simple. They deserved the win and probably would have won with or without the Datsyuk goal counting.

i agree with this...i like the fact that i can scream and shout at the refs when they blow calls..you should have seen me hollering at my t.v. when it was disallowed...it's part of hockey.i think its one of the more entertaining things at the rink when the fans start calling out the ref's...i think you take the good with the bad...

[RoninJai 5]

The rule we have for interference is fine. What we need are refs that actually have read it.

As far as reviewing...ANY time a puck is in the net, regardless of how it got there, it should be reviewable. Take the authority away from these idiots who feel it's their job to interpret the rules as they see fit.

[pavyaz19 1]

this is a hard one because the reviewable calls / coaches challenges are for black and white plays. i.e. whether a foot was out of bounds... if the ball left the shooter's hands before time ran out. all of that is black and white. what you're asking for is a challenge on a judgement call. remember, the old rule which is now gone was black and white, and that was a goal being waved off if a skate was in the crease (think, the Brett Hull controversy in 1999).

With today's rules about the crease, it's just like pass interference in football... strictly judgement and the ruling stands without the opportunity to challenge the call.

I, for one, think the NHLs rules are in a good place right now (except for the accidental clearing of the puck out of play from the defensive zone in a non-pressured situation). I think the rule book shouldn't change on the goalie interference rule...

However! I think the refs must do a better job and MUST NOT be prejudiced.

[pavyaz19 1]

Change the crease rule. If a player's SKATES are in the crease, no goal. Clear cut. If his skates are outside the crease then there is no interference, then it is reviewable also.

That goal was waved off because of Homer's ass in the crease.

Yeah, we all hated that rule before, we don't want it back... however, that would have cancelled one of Dallas' goals in game 4, which would have been helpful.