Downey or McCarty?

[maltbyrocks18 0]

Once playoffs started and they had d mac in the line up i was thrilled. i couldn't wait to see mccarty on the ice with the team, protecting our skill players, standing up for the team. Well its about game 6 in the western conference finals now... I'm still waiting. Now i know mccarty as we all know ain't what he used to be, but come on... he cant even skate out there. I dont care how much drugs a guy does but how does a professional hockey player for get how to skate.. which leads me to thinking, what drug is babcock on to keep playing him???? now i love d mac, i always will for what he's done in the past but i think hes proven to us all he's not gonna cut it. So many cheapshots, so many oppurtunities for mccarty to stand up for the rest of team, and he has gotten in to ONE fight. And it was at a time i don't even think was very necessary. if downey was playing im SURE ott would have a fat lip or black eye by now. All season downey stuck up for The wings, he even made a new turtle on the avalanche. Why is he riding the pine for a player just signed on the team for enforcing purpose who can't even fulfill the role close to how downey has all season?? Just give downey a game, for cripes sake. i just think it is ridiculous, and i just wanted to know how others think about this.

thoughts?

[Yzermania 156]

because downey's skating ability goes as far as skating across the ice to a guy he wants to fight, then to the box ad then back to the bench. He's useless in playoff hockey.

[maltbyrocks18 0]

because downey's skating ability goes as far as skating across the ice to a guy he wants to fight, then to the box ad then back to the bench. He's useless in playoff hockey.

compared to mccarty's skating ability going as far as skating off the bench, tripping over his own skates, falling on his face, and skating back to the bench to just talk trash from his seat for the rest of the game???

i just feel if mccarty's play is good enough to play, how the hell isn't downeys?? at least downey WILL fight when hes out for his three minutes a game.

[10 Minute Misconduct 104]

lets take a slow piece of garbage out for another slow piece of garbage

gg

[seeinred 1,488]

Why put in another guy who you're only going to play for 2+ minutes a game? Someone like Abdelkader, who is capable of playing more than that and has a VASTLY superior skating ability would be a better choice to put in Mac's place I'd think.

[maltbyrocks18 0]

Why put in another guy who you're only going to play for 2+ minutes a game? Someone like Abdelkader, who is capable of playing more than that and has a VASTLY superior skating ability would be a better choice to put in Mac's place I'd think.

because i don't feel holmstrom should have to have his face sat on by otts fat ass any time ott feels like doing it. because downey is the only person on the entire roster that might actually stand these bastards and it might make the other team think twice before they pull s*** again.

although i wouldn't mind seeing abdelkader in for a game or so either to see what happens.

[10 Minute Misconduct 104]

i wouldnt put abdelkader in, not the time to be experimenting with rookies.

[maltbyrocks18 0]

i wouldnt put abdelkader in, not the time to be experimenting with rookies.

or giving recovering coke addicts roster spots.

[rick zombo 3,739]

Or here's an idea.

How about the current line-up actually playing like they give a s***?

No more mental errors.

[seeinred 1,488]

because i don't feel holmstrom should have to have his face sat on by otts fat ass any time ott feels like doing it. because downey is the only person on the entire roster that might actually stand these bastards and it might make the other team think twice before they pull s*** again.

although i wouldn't mind seeing abdelkader in for a game or so either to see what happens.

But he won't stand up to him. It's just not going to happen in these playoffs. The only fight was McCarty giving some kid a chance to make a name for himself in a series we already had wrapped up. Like MrSandMan said, a speedy kid is worth a lot against a team like Dallas.

Individual experience is overrated. He's gotta get playoff time at some point.

[maltbyrocks18 0]

But he won't stand up to him. It's just not going to happen in these playoffs. The only fight was McCarty giving some kid a chance to make a name for himself in a series we already had wrapped up. Like MrSandMan said, a speedy kid is worth a lot against a team like Dallas.

Individual experience is overrated. He's gotta get playoff time at some point.

are you saying mccarty wont or downey wont? And i feel abdelkader wouldn't be a bad idea to try either but i wouldn't mind sitting someone else for him like sammy.

[pavyaz19 1]

because downey's skating ability goes as far as skating across the ice to a guy he wants to fight, then to the box ad then back to the bench. He's useless in playoff hockey.

exactly... downey is worthless. You may not like that McCarty is older and slower, but he's still got the experience and the hockey mind that downey will never have. McCarty knows where to be and makes things happen. Yeah, he's not an all-star, never was, but even considering Downey is insane.

what's with the coke addict thing? is that abdelkader?

[Mikeal 60]

Or here's an idea.

How about the current line-up actually playing like they give a s***?

No more mental errors.

qft.

We don't need change we need some heart and some 'I believe'

[DYags 0]

Once playoffs started and they had d mac in the line up i was thrilled. i couldn't wait to see mccarty on the ice with the team, protecting our skill players, standing up for the team. Well its about game 6 in the western conference finals now... I'm still waiting. Now i know mccarty as we all know ain't what he used to be, but come on... he cant even skate out there. I dont care how much drugs a guy does but how does a professional hockey player for get how to skate.. which leads me to thinking, what drug is babcock on to keep playing him???? now i love d mac, i always will for what he's done in the past but i think hes proven to us all he's not gonna cut it. So many cheapshots, so many oppurtunities for mccarty to stand up for the rest of team, and he has gotten in to ONE fight. And it was at a time i don't even think was very necessary. if downey was playing im SURE ott would have a fat lip or black eye by now. All season downey stuck up for The wings, he even made a new turtle on the avalanche. Why is he riding the pine for a player just signed on the team for enforcing purpose who can't even fulfill the role close to how downey has all season?? Just give downey a game, for cripes sake. i just think it is ridiculous, and i just wanted to know how others think about this.

thoughts?

I agree completely. I don't know why all of a sudden everyone is knocking Downey. He can outskate Mac any day! and won't make the bone-headed passes Mac tries to make either. You're replacing a "fighter" for a fighter and with the 3 minutes Mac has been getting it wouldn't be a drastic F'ing swap! I'm shocked he's still on the 4th line.. he IS what's slowing them down. Add a KADER to that line and you got something potent

I have a large and in charge man-crush on Abdelkader, but its never going to happen so I'll stop there..

[DYags 0]

exactly... downey is worthless. You may not like that McCarty is older and slower, but he's still got the experience and the hockey mind that downey will never have. McCarty knows where to be and makes things happen. Yeah, he's not an all-star, never was, but even considering Downey is insane.

what's with the coke addict thing? is that abdelkader?

WHAT MAKES McCARTY SO MUCH BETTER THAN DOWNEY BESIDES THE FACT THAT HE PLAYED WITH US BEFORE!

You Downey downers are upsetting me

(not directed directly at you)

[seeinred 1,488]

are you saying mccarty wont or downey wont? And i feel abdelkader wouldn't be a bad idea to try either but i wouldn't mind sitting someone else for him like sammy.

I'm saying nobody will because it's not something that'll happen because of what's at stake right now. I love Downey and D-Mac for what they bring to the team, I just think Abdelkader could be a little more useful at this point.

[skacore 2]

I loved Downey during the regular season but he would look far more out of place than McCarty has... Mac has actaully managed a goal and an assist, we could use any extra offense we can get even if the upgrade is as slight as McCarty > Downey... whatever he's doing seems to be working because Hudler (and Helm) has been on fire as of late, they create some good opportunities together and are working swell as a 4th line. McCarty is slow there's no doubt about it, but he has much better hockey sense than Downey so he is able to make up for it and he's great when it comes to man on man coverage in his own end, he makes the game simple and that's why he is still somewhat useful out there.

I think the biggest liability on our current roster is and has been Chelios for the majority of the year.... just.... too... weak....

I wouldn't mind Abdelkader in for Mac just because he was so impressive in his couple of games in the reg. season and obviously from his days in college hockey he's proved to be a clutch, goto guy.

edit: take a look around the playoffs if you feel McCarty isn't doing his job "enforcing"... this is the '08 playoffs we're talking about, you don't go after a guy at will (Downey on Laperriere) unless it's a blow out game... Ott won't mutually agree to fight anyone and Barch doesn't get enough ice time for McCarty to bother with him, what do you want him to do? take an instigator and put the team on the PK?

Edited May 18, 2008 by skacore

[Bluedevils_13 0]

You know what F**k it. I am all for sitting McCarty, but maybe thats not the message this team needs right now. They need a kick in the ass. As much as I love him Cleary should sit a game. That should send the message of urgency to the team and lite a fire under Dan's ass for the next game.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Once playoffs started and they had d mac in the line up i was thrilled. i couldn't wait to see mccarty on the ice with the team, protecting our skill players, standing up for the team. Well its about game 6 in the western conference finals now... I'm still waiting. Now i know mccarty as we all know ain't what he used to be, but come on... he cant even skate out there. I dont care how much drugs a guy does but how does a professional hockey player for get how to skate.. which leads me to thinking, what drug is babcock on to keep playing him???? now i love d mac, i always will for what he's done in the past but i think hes proven to us all he's not gonna cut it. So many cheapshots, so many oppurtunities for mccarty to stand up for the rest of team, and he has gotten in to ONE fight. And it was at a time i don't even think was very necessary. if downey was playing im SURE ott would have a fat lip or black eye by now. All season downey stuck up for The wings, he even made a new turtle on the avalanche. Why is he riding the pine for a player just signed on the team for enforcing purpose who can't even fulfill the role close to how downey has all season?? Just give downey a game, for cripes sake. i just think it is ridiculous, and i just wanted to know how others think about this.

thoughts?

It might be worth I shot I think, but also consider, and the result of this post is probably me feeling 50/50 on them subbing for each other at their current points in their careers but...

I think we've come to experience that Downey brings extremely limited offensive potential out there. Not that McCarty bring a whole lot more at the current part of his career.

Fighting is almost null and void in the playoffs. It happened once this year for the Red Wings (in the game I acutally took a road trip and attended live vs. Colorado ), and as much as I like "sending a message" out to a team, you want to keep those selfish sending a message-type penalties to an absolute minimum.

I certainly like Aaron Downey, I just don't know how much better he'd be over McCarty to make that much of a significant difference in the game to where we say something more than, "Oh look there's Aaron Downey out there" and nothing else.

And it's not like the Red Wings are getting completely mauled out there physically to warrant such a change immediately IMO.

Again, would be open to try it, just not sure how effective such a change would be.

[russianswede919293 95]

WHAT MAKES McCARTY SO MUCH BETTER THAN DOWNEY BESIDES THE FACT THAT HE PLAYED WITH US BEFORE!

You Downey downers are upsetting me

(not directed directly at you)

I don't want either in the line-up right now. This has been a fast paced series and neither of them have the skating ability to keep up with it Wither Abdelkader or Hartigan, or possibly even Meech back up front though I would pick the other two over Meech.

[russianswede919293 95]

You know what F**k it. I am all for sitting McCarty, but maybe thats not the message this team needs right now. They need a kick in the ass. As much as I love him Cleary should sit a game. That should send the message of urgency to the team and lite a fire under Dan's ass for the next game.

Sitting Cleary will only hurt the team defensively. He has not been bad on defense, but his offense has been wretched. It looks like he is afraid to go to the net lately and that is bad news, since that is how he scores.

[uk_redwing 495]

Who was it who said earlier Downey is a defensive liability?

In 56 games in the regular season he had a even +/- ... so hes a defensive reliability why?

And people seem to forget the energy that Downey creates. Dmac seems to have lost the ability or will to hit, and we all know Downey goes aggressive on the forecheck. Drake created a huge buzz with the hits hes made, why not let Downey create some more?

I dont see it as such a huge risk to put Downey in over Mac. People are saying Aaron will be useless, at least give him a chance!

[russianswede919293 95]

Who was it who said earlier Downey is a defensive liability?

In 56 games in the regular season he had a even +/- ... so hes a defensive reliability why?

And people seem to forget the energy that Downey creates. Dmac seems to have lost the ability or will to hit, and we all know Downey goes aggressive on the forecheck. Drake created a huge buzz with the hits hes made, why not let Downey create some more?

I dont see it as such a huge risk to put Downey in over Mac. People are saying Aaron will be useless, at least give him a chance!

He won't be useless, but he won't be able to keep up with the pace of the games since he doesn't skate well which is why D-Mac has struggled as well.

Downey=McCarty=Neither should be in for this series.

[jvxp 0]

Mac has looked bad the last few games. I think I would put Downey in. He will be more physical and I think has more speed then Mac.

[eva unit zero 271]

I we are bringing Mac out of the lineup because he isn't playing well...why is Downey's name even in the discussion?

Mac isn't playing well because of his lack of speed and defensive responsibility...Downey is no better in either area. Downey would play just as little and look just as bad.

Swap Mac fo Abdelkader or Hartigan and get someone who can actually play hockey in the lineup.