Opie 308 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 (edited) I have an idea, why not let the coach, who just happened to win his first WCF (for the wings) in his second straight trip there and has won 50+ games 3 years in a row and HAS HIS TEAM IN THE SCF, make the calls, or why not have a little faith in him. I have a question for all of you line changers, Babs doubters, whatever you want to call yourself, what more does the man have to do before you show a little faith. You are questioning the lines of a man who just took your (supposed) favorite team to the Stanley cup finals. If the Wings win the cup are you still going to come on here and ***** about Sammy on the PP point, Mac in not Downey, starting benching so and so. Or will you finally shut your traps and stop questioning Babs, you know the one who is actually behind the bench and has a hockey coaching resume that goes beyond Bantums! Edited May 20, 2008 by Opie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyoski 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 Hopefully Franzen is healthy and ready to go Saturday. After last night's performance there's no doubt that Mac needs to come out. Every shift on the ice either resulted in a penalty or giveaway. He also looks like he's shying away from giving out or taking a hit. The Pens will skate circles around him...even big Laraque will make him look like he's standing in quicksand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 replace D-Mac with a Mule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 I have an idea, why not let the coach, who just happened to win his first WCF (for the wings) in his second straight trip there and has won 50+ games 3 years in a row and HAS HIS TEAM IN THE SCF, make the calls, or why not have a little faith in him. I have a question for all of you line changers, Babs doubters, whatever you want to call yourself, what more does the man have to do before you show a little faith. You are questioning the lines of a man who just took your (supposed) favorite team to the Stanley cup finals. If the Wings win the cup are you still going to come on here and ***** about Sammy on the PP point, Mac in not Downey, starting benching so and so. Or will you finally shut your traps and stop questioning Babs, you know the one who is actually behind the bench and has a hockey coaching resume that goes beyond Bantums! As much as I like Downey and am dissapointed with Mac's careless penalties I give this post a Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted May 20, 2008 how has mccartys??? The point im trying to make is that if were going to have an enforcer that plays 3 minutes a game on the 4th line why not have one that will actually fulfill the role?? And everyone is saying he would only hurt the team but he even has points this season against dallas, he has an even plus minus, and he brings energy to the team with his hitting, not to mention he actually sticks up for his teammates which i haven't seen almost at all from the whole wings roster, MCCARTY included. the wings are playing like a bullied team that just are not in to it right now, and as a hockey player my self nothing gets you and your team pumped up more than to see some dick like ott get his ass handed to him. Darcy Hordichuk was a real factor for Nashville wasn't he? How about Laperierre, McCleod and McCormick? How'd they help out the Aves? How great was Krys Barch the last couple of games? His impact was ginormous! With a trip to the Cup Finals on the line your concern about fighting or sticking up for teammates, which isn't an issue at all is almost cause for me to ask you to seek help from a medical professional. Get your head out of your ass and focus on what matters. Did you catch the game last night? We got back to crowding the net, ramping up the shots, getting the damned shots on goal, maintaining the lion's share of puck possession and we made the Stars look ordinary. That's what the Wings need to do to win games. Where would Downey have helped last night? It didn't look great that Mac got 3 penalties but that doesn't change the fact that Downey is still the worst skater on the team, with the worst hands on the team and can not be expected to fulfill a meaningful role in this year's playoffs. As much as I like Downey, its the truth. He can't help us right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 Hey, Downey dressed for the warm-up, gave Morrow a nice snow shower, hit Ribeiro with his stick (gently, calm down people), and did some other stuff. He didnt play, but 99% of the time when Downey hits the ice we end up winning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gnredwing 10 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 I am a huge McCarty fan and was thrilled when we got him back. But after watching game 6 last night and seeing Mac take 3 penaltys, I really think Downey should be given the nod to start in his spot. Hopefully Franzen will be good to go, so it wont be an issue, but if Franzen doesnt play I believe Downey should get the nod instead of Mac. Downey has more grit and I think would be a great agiatator vs the pens. Downey has showed heart all year long and I think he has earned the right to play for the cup. You guys agree, disagree? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 Oh yeah because the thread with this exact same topic just wasn't good enough for you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NHLrules? 32 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 Id bring up Abedalker or Meech before Downey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan75 2 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 Sorry. I'll still take 3 Cups worth of experience any day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greatness=PavelDatsyuk 65 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 You have to look at the ref's too, those were some very week calls that they goth him on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 McCarty was awulf in game 6 against Stars. So many penalties. We can't afford to do this against Pens. Downey is smarter in this aspect of the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RainingBlood 8 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 go away with the Downey bs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyoski 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 If Franzen comes back then this is all a moot point. They will keep Helm in the lineup over DMac. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted May 20, 2008 McCarty was awulf in game 6 against Stars. So many penalties. We can't afford to do this against Pens. Downey is smarter in this aspect of the game. Uhh... Downey not taking penalties has nothing to do with him being 'much smarter' in any way, shape or form. It has everything to do with the fact that he's on the ice for a bare few shifts per game. He goes out and hits and does nothing else. McCarty and the current 4th line spend a substantial amount of time on the ice, and they can handle the ice time (though not against the opposition's top line, as we saw in this series... though that's hardly unreasonable) and produce opportunities and goals. McCarty's experience does count for a lot on that line; take, for example, the play he made that allowed Hudler's goal in game six against Nashville. Downey can't fill a productive role on any line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 Uhh... Downey not taking penalties has nothing to do with him being 'much smarter' in any way, shape or form. It has everything to do with the fact that he's on the ice for a bare few shifts per game. He goes out and hits and does nothing else. McCarty and the current 4th line spend a substantial amount of time on the ice, and they can handle the ice time (though not against the opposition's top line, as we saw in this series... though that's hardly unreasonable) and produce opportunities and goals. McCarty's experience does count for a lot on that line; take, for example, the play he made that allowed Hudler's goal in game six against Nashville. Downey can't fill a productive role on any line. Mac took 3! Interference calls. That's 6mins, 10% of the game. No excuses. We can't afford that against Pittsburgh. I do hope Mule is back so neither of them will play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 The pens have the no.1 heavyweight Georges Laraque... think hes not a threat? Think Dmac handle him? McCarty got destroyed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing Fanatic 3 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 Mac took 3! Interference calls. That's 6mins, 10% of the game. No excuses. We can't afford that against Pittsburgh. I do hope Mule is back so neither of them will play. I admit that DMac did take some bad penalities but at the same time, he had played very well in the previous games. I don't think he should be replace because of one bad game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 I admit that DMac did take some bad penalities but at the same time, he had played very well in the previous games. I don't think he should be replace because of one bad game. When Mule's back..who would you play? Maltby or Mac? Drake or Mac? Helm? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted May 20, 2008 Mac took 3! Interference calls. That's 6mins, 10% of the game. No excuses. We can't afford that against Pittsburgh. I do hope Mule is back so neither of them will play. Gee, what a surprise, it's the typical 'OMFG SOMEONE HAD A BAD GAME WE ARE RUINED HE SUCKS HE SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO PLAY ANYMORE IT WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN' knee-jerk reaction every time someone has a bad game. Haven't we seen enough of this already? Aren't we headed to the finals? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 (edited) Gee, what a surprise, it's the typical 'OMFG SOMEONE HAD A BAD GAME WE ARE RUINED HE SUCKS HE SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO PLAY ANYMORE IT WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN' knee-jerk reaction every time someone has a bad game. Haven't we seen enough of this already? Aren't we headed to the finals? Yeah. Of course you are right, Sir. I was never negative about Wings. Never. Did I like Macs play last night? hell no. Sorry for the fact that I want Mule instead of Mac in the lineup. And if Mule is not ready, Downey would not be worse either. Edited May 20, 2008 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 When Mule's back..who would you play? Maltby or Mac? Drake or Mac? Helm? Who I or anyone other than Babs would play is a moot point, but if I were to guess what Babs would do I think he will play the lines he has all playoffs. INCLUDING WHEN MALTBY WAS HEALTHY! ZDH Mule Flip Sammy Cleary draper Drake Huds Helm Mac Regardless of penalties that 4th line has brought a ton of energy to the team. BTW what in the hell is Downey going to do in the post season, anyone notice that the fighting minutes in the post season are almost none!!! George Laraque the one guy everyone on this board thinks needs to be dealt with has all of 4 minutes of penalties the entire post season!! What makes you think all of the sudden he is going to start fighting, with the wings of all teams. If he was going to start throwing down with a team Philly or NYR would have been the two teams to do it with not the Wings! Downey was a great addition to the regular season roster, stepped up and did what he does when it was needed of him. But the post season is not the time to put a guy in for an enforcer role, now if the guy can actually be something other than a liability, like the above mentioned Laraque and Mac then that is a different story. Some of you act like Det is the first team to bench this guy, this year was the most games he has ever played in the NHL!!! There is a reason for that, if Det is the softest (some of your words not mine) teams in the league, yet Downey can still only manage 56 games in the regular season, what is it that makes you guys think he belongs on the ice in the playoffs. Now if the series is 3-0 and it has been a bunch of blowouts then sure give the guy a game, but don't put him out there when in the regular season, when games mean significantly less than in the SCF, he is only trusted with 4-6 minutes. That my friend is the definition of the word LIABILITY! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 Who I or anyone other than Babs would play is a moot point, but if I were to guess what Babs would do I think he will play the lines he has all playoffs. Yeah. Thats news. I had no idea before. Thanks a lot. INCLUDING WHEN MALTBY WAS HEALTHY! ZDH Mule Flip Sammy Cleary draper Drake Huds Helm Mac Maltby then played and Mac did not. When Mule's back one of them will not play. Most likely Mac. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 The pens have the no.1 heavyweight Georges Laraque... think hes not a threat? Think Dmac handle him? McCarty got destroyed... Lilja will drop Laraque in this series with a brutal, bloody KO. Afterwards, he'll do something never before seen in league history, as he'll lick Laraque's blood off the ice, and skate by the Pens bench showing them his bloody tongue. How's that for your no. 1 heavyweight? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 When was Laraque's last Post season fight? Go ahead I will give you time to look it up! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
