LILJA - ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

[Misty Belle 0]

Just like all those hits that Lidstrom takes when he's racing to the corners? [/sarcasm]

I think people have learned enough not to critisize Lidstom for anything to avoid a total and outright flaming.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Lidstrom is in another universe.

Still there is something wrong where our D man that's 6'3" 220 lbs (Lilja) cannot take or deliver a hit as good as our finesse player (Datsyuk) at 5'11" 194 lbs.

Datsyuk gets me out of my seat normally for his incredible plays but wasn't it Malone (6'4" 224 lbs) that Datsyuk baked yesterday?.... jumped out my chair for that hit!

So because Lidstrom is "in another universe" are you telling me that it would've been acceptable for someone to start this thread about him had he been the one on the ice and the same result occured (and most likely would have) given that Lids takes as many of those hits as Lilja?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I think people have learned enough not to critisize Lidstom for anything to avoid a total and outright flaming.

I find those people to be ridiculous as well. I don't care if the name on the back is Lidstrom, Zetterberg or Stevie Y for that matter. When one of those guys makes a bad play I have no problem discussing it without worry of being flamed simply based on the reputation of the player.

This is a forum to discuss hockey, and no player is (or ever will be) bigger than the team.

[The Secret 304]

So because Lidstrom is "in another universe" are you telling me that it would've been acceptable for someone to start this thread about him had he been the one on the ice and the same result occured (and most likely would have) given that Lids takes as many of those hits as Lilja?

I will not even entertain the comparison of Lidstrom to Lilja. The outcome would most certainly have been different. Even if Lidstrom takes the hit he makes the right play 9.9 out of 10 times!

[Wing Fanatic 3]

The loss is not one persons fault as the team in general played at a lower level. IMO, when we aren't aggressively standing the opposition's fwds up at the blue line and making them pay for coming into our zone, we typically don't play as well. Kronner and Drake were not being as physical as they had been and the Pens fwds got a little confident and set up shop in our end. I want to see more aggressiveness like in games 1 & 2. I do believe that Babs is a far better coach and will correct this situation for game 4.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I've played defense all my life, that' s always been part of the job, you go in and get the puck and take the hit if you have to. I don't like it but that's what you have to do. I don't think alot on here have played the game.

:rotflmao:

You just invalidated yourself with that comment.

[The Secret 304]

I find those people to be ridiculous as well. I don't care if the name on the back is Lidstrom, Zetterberg or Stevie Y for that matter. When one of those guys makes a bad play I have no problem discussing it without worry of being flamed simply based on the reputation of the player.

This is a forum to discuss hockey, and no player is (or ever will be) bigger than the team.

No player is always perfect but there are some that make big glaring mistakes on a regular basis and there are others that don't. Silly to even compare the 2. I'm always up to discuss good and bad from all players but its alot harder to remain bitter when a 6x Norris winner makes a mistake.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I will not even entertain the comparison of Lidstrom to Lilja. The outcome would most certainly have been different. Even if Lidstrom takes the hit he makes the right play 9.9 out of 10 times!

How can anyone claim that? Has Lids never been on the ice for an opposing teams goal? Is it so inconceivable that Lids would've shied away from contact similarly to what Lilja did? I don't believe so.

I will not even entertain the comparison of Lidstrom to Lilja. The outcome would most certainly have been different. Even if Lidstrom takes the hit he makes the right play 9.9 out of 10 times!

The point is Lidstrom 9.9 times out of 10 *doesn't* take the hit.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

No player is always perfect but there are some that make big glaring mistakes on a regular basis and there are others that don't. Silly to even compare the 2. I'm always up to discuss good and bad from all players but its alot harder to remain bitter when a 6x Norris winner makes a mistake.

So you are telling me that if Lids was in that play last night and the same result occured that it would be "ok" because he's Lidstrom? To me, it doesn't matter who it is, the result is still a 3-2 loss no matter who was in the play. 15 seconds of the third period didn't decide this game.

[DatsMyWings13 4]

Lilja one of my least favorite wings but he is not the reason we lost last night.

[The Secret 304]

So you are telling me that if Lids was in that play last night and the same result occured that it would be "ok" because he's Lidstrom? To me, it doesn't matter who it is, the result is still a 3-2 loss no matter who was in the play. 15 seconds of the third period didn't decide this game.

Not going to say its ok but for the amount of bad plays Lidstrom makes I will not harp on him about it.

[betterREDthandead 58]

I have some homework for the Lilja-haters.

Go look at the blue line depth charts for all 30 teams.

Find out who's the 6th best on each one.

Tell me with a straight face that they're better than Lilja.

[The Secret 304]

How can anyone claim that? Has Lids never been on the ice for an opposing teams goal? Is it so inconceivable that Lids would've shied away from contact similarly to what Lilja did? I don't believe so.

The point is Lidstrom 9.9 times out of 10 *doesn't* take the hit.

BINGO! Due to Lidstroms atheltic ability, knowledge of the game and over-all talent 9.9 out 10 times he doesn't take that hit... why get hit if you don't need to?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Not going to say its ok but for the amount of bad plays Lidstrom makes I will not harp on him about it.

Even though, according to some, it was the "back-breaking play" that cost the Wings Game 3 of the SCF's?

I guess my point is that people are putting way too much emphasis on this play, when it wasn't the reason why the Wings lost.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

BINGO! Due to Lidstroms atheltic ability, knowledge of the game and over-all talent 9.9 out 10 times he doesn't take that hit... why get hit if you don't need to?

Of course not, but how would he magically evade that hit and still come up with the play, yet Lilja doesn't have enough common sense to figure out the same? I know Lids is probably the most intelligent mind in the game but that doesn't automatically equate to a guaranteed clear in this situation. Some people seem to not be realizing that.

[WizardofOz 0]

You can't blame this loss on just one player. The entire team didn't show up to play for most of last night. They weren't nearly as physical or aggressive as they were in the first two games and they gave the pens way too much time and space to work with.

Lilja wasn't our worst player last night, Stewart was. It seemed like almost every time he was on the ice instead of just putting the puck up the boards and clearing the zone he tried to pass up the middle and the pens would end up holding the puck in and get a scoring chance.

[The Secret 304]

Even though, according to some, it was the "back-breaking play" that cost the Wings Game 3 of the SCF's?

I guess my point is that people are putting way too much emphasis on this play, when it wasn't the reason why the Wings lost.

Agree'd, that play wasn't the reason we lost but this thread was a discussion thread on Lilja's play not why his poor play lost us the game.

I've enjoyed having this debate with you though... good stuff!

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Agree'd, that play wasn't the reason we lost but this thread was a discussion thread on Lilja's play not why his poor play lost us the game.

I've enjoyed having this debate with you though... good stuff!

Agreed

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Before I rid myself of this thread, why not rip on Homer for not scoring on the wide-open net? Combined that with Sammy's goal and all of a sudden its 3-3. Before anyone comes back with the "puck was rolling arguments" Homer needs to square his stick up in that situation and aim for the center of the net, which he didn't really do. Now doesn't that sound ridiculous? About as much (to me) as Lilja not clearing the zone equating to a lucky goalie bank-shot goal that 999 times out of 1,000 isn't going to happen given the than millions of other factors that can take place within the timespan of this play.

Is an even better scoring chance than the one that was created on the Penguins 3rd goal not as (if not more) important than the Lilja play?

[Superman54 91]

Im actually questioning whether some people actually watched the damn game last night. The whole team played bad, and to just pin point Lilja for last nights loss shows the lack of hockey knowledge some of you have. Chelios has played like s*** these playoffs, so to suggest alternating him with Lilja is, well, stupid. Some people only look for the bad plays Lilja does, and doesn't really see what he bring to the table. The man is our 6th D-men for god sakes

[vangvace 12]

This is a forum to discuss hockey, and no player is (or ever will be) bigger than the team.

*Cough* Gretzky *Cough**Cough* Crosby *Cough* and *Cough* Chelios *Cough*

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Lilja reminds me of Dandenault, Except makes less errors and I kinda like him.

[uk_redwing 495]

I only read the first page but it seems a select few people are blaming Lilja for our loss.

Hmm...so...he had a bad giveaway which led to nothing. Ok...He got checked by the biggest guy on the ice who would have knocked anyone to the ice (which he did throughout the game) and they scored a while, NOT DIRECTLY afterwards.

So...whats Lilja done wrong? He hasnt cost us a goal. Stuart cost us a goal. Chelios cost us a GAME.

Ah well. We lost didnt we? The "OH NOES" crew have to find some reason.

[betterREDthandead 58]

I only read the first page but it seems a select few people are blaming Lilja for our loss.

Hmm...so...he had a bad giveaway which led to nothing. Ok...He got checked by the biggest guy on the ice who would have knocked anyone to the ice (which he did throughout the game) and they scored a while, NOT DIRECTLY afterwards.

So...whats Lilja done wrong? He hasnt cost us a goal. Stuart cost us a goal. Chelios cost us a GAME.

Ah well. We lost didnt we? The "OH NOES" crew have to find some reason.

Obviously, LGW wouldn't function without a whipping boy. It's not even as bad with Lilja as it was with Devereaux.

Problem is this: People expect all six defensemen to play about as well as the #2 or #3 guy. But nobody's ever taken me up on my "Lilja Challenge", which is to find a better sixth defenseman in the league.

[dicksmack 33]

Because he is a good penalty killer and good shot blocker.

You don't have a clue...just like Andreas...

[wingsdiehard13 33]

You don't have a clue...just like Andreas...

So your saying you can find a better penalty killer on the roster, that doesn't already kill penalties?