Keeping Hossa longterm

[gcom007 1,465]

Who will stay, who would have to go and how much will people be signing for if this is going to happen? I think it's quite possible that they'll find a way to make it work especially if the Cap continues to go up a bit.

Here are the bigger names that ideally they'd like to keep around...

(and this is uneducated wanna-be armchair GM material at its worst...)

Hossa - $6.7 million to match Dats, 4-5 years? $7 million if he's the team scoring leader. I could see him buying into the system and taking less to stay in Detroit and dominate. Perhaps they could work out another 1 year deal and then give him a bit of a raise once Lidstrom retires or resigns which ideally would leave more money to play with. But I get the feeling that he'll be even more willing to sacrifice money to stay after this year.

Zetterberg - $6.7 million to match Dats, 5-7 years? Remember, Dats has got the Selke's and is less injury prone as well. I don't feel Zetterberg is as consistent as Datsyuk. He does have a Conn Smythe though. That said, I think it's reasonable that Dats contract could set the bar here if Zetterberg wants to stay a Wing long-term and make it easier for the Wings to keep Hossa around.

Franzen - $2.0, $2.5 and $3.0 million for 3 years if we're lucky? Given Cleary and Holmstroms deal, I think this is reasonable. But if he waits until after next season to sign and continues in his newfound scoring ways, this will be tough whether we sign Hossa or not.

Filppula - $1.5, $1.75 and $2.0 million over 3 years. He really doesn't have the numbers to command more than that at this point on this team and thankfully, I don't think he'll push too hard for more.

Hudler - $1.5, $1.75, $2.0 million over 3 years. I don't think this one will be difficult nor hurt much.

Howard - $750k, 2 years.

McCarty/Downey - $750k, 1 year. One will stay.

Helm - He'll be on the roster with his $600k hit to fill it out.

Goodbye to...

Samuellson - if we keep Hossa, he'll be gone

Chelios - Retirement.

Lebda - He'll be the most expensive D-man they're likely willing to part with and considering how solid our top 4 is, I don't think he has enough upside to keep him here over someone we can pay $500k/yr.

Kopecky - If we keep Hudler and Flip, I've got to imagine he'll be on the out.

Conklin - Unnecessary unless we dump Howard once and for all after this year. If so then he'll stay at $750k again.

[winsgnut_19 0]

if franzen has a season like the one he just had, next year he will fetch 4.5-6 million a year over 5 years... its goingt o come down to either him or hossa staying next year

[Guest mindfly]

Just enjoy the moment Let kenny do the management

[stud_defenseman 1]

According to nhlnumbers.com

the wings total salary at the moment is 52.673 million. That leaves us with 4.027 million dollars to spend. Everyone on our backend is signed, minus ericsson, cheli, quincey. Quince is probably gone, cheli will sign on for cheap and play part time. Ericsson's salary won't count against the cap as he will be in GR for one more year. There is another $700,000 off the cap.

We are now at 3.327.

For our forwards we currently have 11 forwards signed (not including Helm who is under contract in GR).

These 11 are...

Hossa

Datsyuk

Zetterberg

Holmstrom

Franzen

Cleary

Hudler

Draper

Samuelsson

Maltby

Kopecky

I am assuming that Filppula will be the number 12 guy, but Holland would like to add some toughness as well. D-Mac will likely be the 13th guy.

I think Flip will get no more than $2 mill, but this is debatable and I'm sure many of you will disagree. D-Mac will get $650.

This leaves us with .677 mill.

Even if the cap goes up another 5 million next year, this is not enough money to sign Hank, Hossa, Franzen, Huds.

Holland would have to start today in trying to unload some players for draft picks or cheaper players.

Dan Cleary would be a likely target, they could get some good draft picks for him, and he would be easy to move because of how reasonable his contract is (for the record I would hate to see this happen).

Lebda is cheap enough, he isn't going anywhere. Lilja would be good trade bait though, and we could replace him with someone from GR for almost half the price.

Another option is that we could not sign Sammy next year when his contract is up and replace him with helm for a savings of about $600,000.

Even with this in mind I don't see us fitting Hossa in without seriously dismantling our core group. Out of Franzen, Flip, Hudler, Cleary atleast 2 of these guys would have to go.

If we could keep Hossa at the expense of Huds and Flip I would take it.

[Guest Crymson]

With all due respect, who gives a sh*t? We just signed the guy today. Be happy, enjoy this season, and let's worry about it afterward.

Edited July 2, 2008 by Crymson

[norrisnick 1]

Who will stay, who would have to go and how much will people be signing for if this is going to happen? I think it's quite possible that they'll find a way to make it work especially if the Cap continues to go up a bit.

Here are the bigger names that ideally they'd like to keep around...

(and this is uneducated wanna-be armchair GM material at its worst...)

Hossa - $6.7 million to match Dats, 4-5 years? $7 million if he's the team scoring leader. I could see him buying into the system and taking less to stay in Detroit and dominate. Perhaps they could work out another 1 year deal and then give him a bit of a raise once Lidstrom retires or resigns which ideally would leave more money to play with. But I get the feeling that he'll be even more willing to sacrifice money to stay after this year.

Zetterberg - $6.7 million to match Dats, 5-7 years? Remember, Dats has got the Selke's and is less injury prone as well. I don't feel Zetterberg is as consistent as Datsyuk. He does have a Conn Smythe though. That said, I think it's reasonable that Dats contract could set the bar here if Zetterberg wants to stay a Wing long-term and make it easier for the Wings to keep Hossa around.

Franzen - $2.0, $2.5 and $3.0 million for 3 years if we're lucky? Given Cleary and Holmstroms deal, I think this is reasonable. But if he waits until after next season to sign and continues in his newfound scoring ways, this will be tough whether we sign Hossa or not.

Filppula - $1.5, $1.75 and $2.0 million over 3 years. He really doesn't have the numbers to command more than that at this point on this team and thankfully, I don't think he'll push too hard for more.

Hudler - $1.5, $1.75, $2.0 million over 3 years. I don't think this one will be difficult nor hurt much.

Howard - $750k, 2 years.

McCarty/Downey - $750k, 1 year. One will stay.

Helm - He'll be on the roster with his $600k hit to fill it out.

Goodbye to...

Samuellson - if we keep Hossa, he'll be gone

Chelios - Retirement.

Lebda - He'll be the most expensive D-man they're likely willing to part with and considering how solid our top 4 is, I don't think he has enough upside to keep him here over someone we can pay $500k/yr.

Kopecky - If we keep Hudler and Flip, I've got to imagine he'll be on the out.

Conklin - Unnecessary unless we dump Howard once and for all after this year. If so then he'll stay at $750k again.

Read the articles, man. It was Kop's sales pitch that helped us land his good buddy Marian. He's a lifer now. Can take Kirk's spot.

[MabusIncarnate 5,359]

Not gonna lie that it already hasn't crossed my mind about wanting to keep Hossa long term and who we'd have to sacrifice, but I agree that this can be held off until the end of next season and see who does what this year. That's going to determine who stays, who goes, and who can be traded.

[Dabura 12,232]

With all due respect, who gives a sh*t? We just signed the guy today. Be happy, enjoy this season, and let's worry about it afterward.

We might as well delete 90% of all the threads that have ever been made here.

[SuperCalaFilppulastic! 34]

I have faith in Holland that he'll find a way, if there is one. I'm pretty sure on the Toronto interview with him, he already said they were going to do what they can to secure him longterm. Because of our "team salary distribution system" (aka get your money while helping field a competitive team) that everyone is buying into, he wants to talk with Hank and Mule to see if it is possible basically.

Maybe I misheard it though.

[Guest Dump-N-Thump]

he is 365 days long term

[stillwater 186]

Another redundant thread, but look at it this way and do the math:

They have $38.2 million spent toward the 2009/2010 cap. Let's say for s***'s and giggles the cap rises to $60 million. That means they have roughly $22 million to pay Hank, Hossa, Franzen, Flip, Hudler, Samuelsson, Kopecky and a back-up goalie.

Edited July 3, 2008 by stillwater

[lidstromfan5 3]

I would much rather have Hossa than Franzen. Keep in mind it wasn't exactly easy to get Franzen signed in his last contract renewal, he may stii want to cash in. If thats the case let him walk and keep Hossa.

[Hank Dats 'N Homer 81]

I like Hossa as much as the next guy, but i havent seen him play in a wings uniform yet. He might not do so well here. Although history shows that he can play just about anywhere. But i dot like the idea of having to lose Flip in order to keep him long term. I like Flip and i think that he could be a Hossa type player in a few years and if we can get him locked up longterm before he hits that stardom for a cheap rate, than to me that makes sense. But Flip is far from being Hossa right now, i would just hate to see us lose Flip and than have him turn out to be an allstar when he gets a little more expereince.

[Majsheppard 203]

I got an idea, how about we just enjoy this year first.

Why worry now.

[VM1138 1,921]

I don't know how much cap space it'd free up, but I really don't see Samuellson, Lebda, Kopecky, Chelios here for season after next. In fact, I don't really see Kopecky and Lebda finishing up this year with the Wings. That's bound to free up some cash.

Add to that that we don't know how much Z could be making. He deserves a lot but for all we know he could match Datsyuk instead of the 7.5 or whatever we're expecting him to go for. I mean, to a team player like him, I can't imagine 6 million is that much different than 7. Or 6.5 to 7.5 or whatever.

So there's another million opened up maybe.

Add to that any unexpected retirements or trades, and I think it's way too early to be saying we absolutely cannot have Hossa and Franzen. For all we know FIlpulla could suck it up this year, or Hudler, and continue to sort of flat line development wise. Then one of them will be gone, too.

[norrisnick 1]

I like Hossa as much as the next guy, but i havent seen him play in a wings uniform yet. He might not do so well here. Although history shows that he can play just about anywhere. But i dot like the idea of having to lose Flip in order to keep him long term. I like Flip and i think that he could be a Hossa type player in a few years and if we can get him locked up longterm before he hits that stardom for a cheap rate, than to me that makes sense. But Flip is far from being Hossa right now, i would just hate to see us lose Flip and than have him turn out to be an allstar when he gets a little more expereince.

There is no way Fil becomes anything close to Hossa. No way.

[stillwater 186]

I don't know how much cap space it'd free up, but I really don't see Samuellson, Lebda, Kopecky, Chelios here for season after next. In fact, I don't really see Kopecky and Lebda finishing up this year with the Wings. That's bound to free up some cash.

Lebda's $850,000 ... the others are all unsigned for the season after next, therefore no cap space is freed up for them.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Cleary is not going anywhere. Call me crazy, but I would rather keep Cleary and Franzen long term then Hossa...but lets not get ahead of ourselves cause I doubt that will happen.

It will be interesting to see what happens after this year. I bet if the Wings win and Hossa gets his cup, he goes on the market and cashes in on the huge contracts he passed up this year. Heck even if they don't win he might do that. This whole 1 year deal thing makes me think he is taking one shot at glory, after which he goes after the money bags.

In a year, Flip will be better and maybe even Ville Leino turns into another top 6 fwd. The need for Hossa AFTER this year may be gone. After all, we didn't need him last year - did we?

Point is, I don't think we should expect Hossa to stay in Detroit after next year, but lets enjoy having him now and knowing that we have a glorious chance at repeating as cup champs. No doubt in my mind Holland will keep the Zetterberg over Hossa by the time next summer roles around.

[norrisnick 1]

I don't know how much cap space it'd free up, but I really don't see Samuellson, Lebda, Kopecky, Chelios here for season after next. In fact, I don't really see Kopecky and Lebda finishing up this year with the Wings. That's bound to free up some cash.

Add to that that we don't know how much Z could be making. He deserves a lot but for all we know he could match Datsyuk instead of the 7.5 or whatever we're expecting him to go for. I mean, to a team player like him, I can't imagine 6 million is that much different than 7. Or 6.5 to 7.5 or whatever.

So there's another million opened up maybe.

Add to that any unexpected retirements or trades, and I think it's way too early to be saying we absolutely cannot have Hossa and Franzen. For all we know FIlpulla could suck it up this year, or Hudler, and continue to sort of flat line development wise. Then one of them will be gone, too.

Kopecky is friends with Hossa and a very big reason, Marian wanted to come here. He gets a sweetheart deal and a permanent spot in our bottom 6. .

[#18 the _Hoss_ 2]

"Next year the cap raises drastically and we get Hossa+Gaborik" + 70 wins

[dallas27 7]

For the love of God please, please, please, please, please please don't even mention Flip's name next to Hossa.

Flip will never make it past the second line nor score more than 50 points. It just won't happen. *edit* To put it in real good perspective, Hossa will have just as many, if not more, goals than Flip will have POINTS this season.

If you have Hossa, you need to do your best to try to keep him. He is a franchise player. If it's too tough so be it, but you need to try and keep him.

Just like people saying we didn't need Hossa to begin with. Luckily Mr. Holland doesn't read this board because he obviously thought otherwise.

Edited July 3, 2008 by dallas27

[stillwater 186]

"Next year the cap raises drastically and we get Hossa+Gaborik" + 70 wins

You're quoting yourself?

[#18 the _Hoss_ 2]

You're quoting yourself?

Yes, I'm beyond happy

[gcom007 1,465]

"Hopefully, the salary cap will grow and we can find a way to keep everybody (in 2009)," Holland said. "We've gotten a great player. It's a great opportunity for everybody involved, and that's always been something that we've strived for. We want deals that provide a mutual benefit for both sides."

- http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID.../807030351/1053

And the topic is inevitable and blatantly ahead of itself, just like it says in the title, but so is 99% of the rest of the drivel on any DISCUSSION board. I'm super excited about Hossa and umm, would like to keep him around. But you know, we don't need to have a *******-fest on a message board over anything for 108 days before we can consider and 'discuss' the future.

Edited July 3, 2008 by gcom007

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

As much as I'd love to see Hossa stay on the Wings, I question whether he'll end up here if the Wings are fortunate enough to win it all again next year. This move of his was completely selfless and all about his need to win a Cup. I applaud him for his decision, but I also don't think its realistic to assume he'll continue to take 1-year deal or massive breaks, especially if the Wings win the Cup.

Here's hoping he loves it here and decides to go the Lidstrom approach and take less money to keep the Wings very competitive.