CenterIce 83 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242347&...s=headlines_nhl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Burke, as usual, is a piece of s***. And so is whoever wrote that article; it is nothing more than a Burke soapbox and it's terrible journalism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kronwall55 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 wow he's still really bitter about Penner isn't he? He really needs to let go and move on what a jerk! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Burke is 100% right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 This was all I got from that article... Burke: "WAAAAAAH!! LOWE TOOK ONE OF MY BEST PLAYERS!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAH! THAT'S NOT FAIR!!! ALL THE LEAGUE'S PROBLEMS ARE HIS FAULT!!! WAAAAAAAAH!!!" What a ******* crybaby. He's just embarassing himself now. And he's one to talk about things that are "gutless". I just don't get where all the love for this man comes from. He nearly whines as much as Michel Therrien. Okay, okay, NOBODY whines as much as Michel Therrien, but you get my point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Supply and demand is primarily what is driving these high contracts. Contract sheets drive up prices too but they have been held to a few isolated cases to this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 "If I had run my team into the sewer like that I wouldn't throw a grenade at the other 29 teams and my own indirectly," Tell me Burkey, just how did your moves last season work out again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) This was all I got from that article... Burke: "WAAAAAAH!! LOWE TOOK ONE OF MY BEST PLAYERS!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAH! THAT'S NOT FAIR!!! ALL THE LEAGUE'S PROBLEMS ARE HIS FAULT!!! WAAAAAAAAH!!!" What a ******* crybaby. He's just embarassing himself now. And he's one to talk about things that are "gutless". I just don't get where all the love for this man comes from. He nearly whines as much as Michel Therrien. Okay, okay, NOBODY whines as much as Michel Therrien, but you get my point. Except for the fact that you have no idea what are you talking about. Your hatred towards Burke is ridiculous. Only a fool would pay so much for Penner. One of the best players..please. The fact is, Lowe started overpaying for players, no one says it is not legal, but if not for Lowe Vanek would never got 7 million a year et cetera. Lowe did totally stupid thing. And it has impact on each and every team. Burke is 100% right. I can't belive how biased some Wings fans are. Edited July 3, 2008 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Except for the fact that you have no idea what are you talking about. Your hatred towards Burke is ridiculous. Only a fool would pay so much for Penner. One of the best players..please. The fact is, Lowe started overpaying for players, no one says it is not legal, but if not for Lowe Vanek would never got 7 million a year et cetera. Lowe did totally stupid thing. And it has impact on each and every team. Burke is 100% right. I can't belive how some of the Wings fans are biased. Except, because of the cap, it's not a slippery-slope thing. The teams that threw money at people are finding out what a waste it was. And obviously it didn't have much impact on the Wings. We're not out there tossing silly money at Jeff Finger. Burke got burned and now he's whining about it. Lowe will realize he got burned too if Penner doesn't produce, but all in good time. Besides, it happened over a year ago. How about if Burke focuses on his own team instead of bitching all the time? P.S.: I hate Burke for other reasons besides just this. It's not Wings bias. If it were just this I wouldn't hate Burke, but there's more to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) Except, because of the cap, it's not a slippery-slope thing. The teams that threw money at people are finding out what a waste it was. And obviously it didn't have much impact on the Wings. We're not out there tossing silly money at Jeff Finger. Because we do not have to. I wonder how would you react if you were Leafs fan. What Burke says is 100% right and the fact that you said "Burke is a piece of s***" only shows how biased you are. Wings are lucky to have people like Nicklas Lidstrom. But you know, there is only one. Burke got burned and now he's whining about it. Lowe will realize he got burned too if Penner doesn't produce, but all in good time. Besides, it happened over a year ago. How about if Burke focuses on his own team instead of bitching all the time? P.S.: I hate Burke for other reasons besides just this. It's not Wings bias. If it were just this I wouldn't hate Burke, but there's more to him. Hate Burke all you want, but he says the truth. Lowe started this ridiculous overpaying. Of course Burke is bitching about the fact that he just had to pay 5+ million to Perry who has yet to score 60 points. How about you try to actually think about what he said instead of just posting Burke is piece of s*** and everything he says is bulls***. Edited July 3, 2008 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 i don't really have a problem with what he says either, although it's pretty funny how much he hates lowe ... most of it is true, but i'm not sure about the whole grenade thing though, i don't think the change really damages the league, just adds a bit more danger to free agency ... instead of waiting and paying free agents what they've earned (i.e. the second step) gms are now trying to lock players up to longer terms and paying more than what they've earned now but less then what they could be earning in the future ... it's not a bad strategy, but the obvious risk is that players won't end up earning their contracts, so it tends to reward teams with good scouts and talent evaluators ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Except for the fact that you have no idea what are you talking about. Your hatred towards Burke is ridiculous. Only a fool would pay so much for Penner. One of the best players..please. The fact is, Lowe started overpaying for players, no one says it is not legal, but if not for Lowe Vanek would never got 7 million a year et cetera. Lowe did totally stupid thing. And it has impact on each and every team. Burke is 100% right. I can't belive how biased some Wings fans are. RE: Bolded part You do realize the season before the offer sheet Penner was ranked 2 or 3 for almost every skater statistic on the team, if he wasn't #2 behind Teemu he was #3 behind Teemu and Neids, so I think saying he was one of their best players would be a fair assumption, Burke could have easily matched the offer and given the Bert money to Penner. However, I think Burke used the situation to try and see if Bert had anything left, but he had Lowe as a scape goat. And as it appears that he has not managed his team very well he is now playing that ace up his sleeve, so to speak, and is blaming Lowe for his salary cap woes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jawbreaker 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 I dislike Burke, and I do think that he is overrated. But on this matter I have to agree. These contracts are stupid: Green, Carter, Perry, Getzlaf, Penner. They are getting payed only for their potential. Actually Philly has been nasty also: they signed Richards, then Carter. These players don't get 3M contracts anymore... they get 5M+ straight up. If these guys make so much, then proven NHLers (Campbell, Hossa) are asking even more. This might lead to another lockout. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Burke got burned and now he's whining about it. Lowe will realize he got burned too if Penner doesn't produce, but all in good time. Besides, it happened over a year ago. How about if Burke focuses on his own team instead of bitching all the time? Yeah, it's strange...Burke really seems to do an inordinate amount of bitching about other teams and not enough concentrating on his own. Okay, yeah, we do a fair amount of bitching about Burke too, but we're not NHL GMs now, are we? In addition to him constantly railing on Lowe, remember during our round against Dallas how he started pissing and moaning about Holmstrom and suddenly, Holmstrom started getting called for goaltender interference any time he dared to breathe on Turco? He started complaining about a series in which he had no vested interest! Except, perhaps, that he didn't want the Stars to get swept by us, because that would make his Ducks look even worse - "Haw haw! The team that eliminated the Ducks got swept out of the Conference Finals! The Ducks must be REALLY horrible!" As for Lowe starting the ridiculous overpaying...maybe with the two offer sheets. That's IT, though. It didn't affect the whole league. During this whole free agent frenzy, I've seen ONE offer sheet and it was matched. You want to see overpaid? Look at that failed Bertuzzi experiment. Look at Finger. And, what a coincidence - a team that Burke is currently linked to and a team that Burke will likely be connected to in the future. Burke is, simply put, an attention *****. He just HAS to get his face in the media every week or so and unfortunately, TSN or XM Home Ice always seem more than happy to oblige. Is he a skilled GM? Sure, although there are clearly GMs in the league that are better than him. But that doesn't change the fact that he's a whiny rat bastard. He was a whiny rat bastard in Vancouver and he's the same in Anaheim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jvxp 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 This was all I got from that article... Burke: "WAAAAAAH!! LOWE TOOK ONE OF MY BEST PLAYERS!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAH! THAT'S NOT FAIR!!! ALL THE LEAGUE'S PROBLEMS ARE HIS FAULT!!! WAAAAAAAAH!!!" What a ******* crybaby. He's just embarassing himself now. And he's one to talk about things that are "gutless". I just don't get where all the love for this man comes from. He nearly whines as much as Michel Therrien. Okay, okay, NOBODY whines as much as Michel Therrien, but you get my point. :thumbup: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Because we do not have to. I wonder how would you react if you were Leafs fan. What Burke says is 100% right and the fact that you said "Burke is a piece of s***" only shows how biased you are. Wings are lucky to have people like Nicklas Lidstrom. But you know, there is only one. What the hell does me being a Wings fan have to do with Burke? Just because he's on the Ducks and you assume I hate everything Duckish? I hate Burke because he runs dirty teams. He was a useless disciplinarian who handed out unbelievably light penalties, and his Vancouver Canucks were one of the dirtiest teams, if not the dirtiest, in the league. Bertuzzi on Moore, Marc Crawford who's just a dirty coach, Bryan Allen and his knee-on-knee hits....while Burke was the Canucks GM, they were a bush-league outfit. Now Anaheim is the same way. I don't hate Burke because he's a Duck and Wings fans hate the Ducks. I hate the Ducks because of Burke. I think it's funny that you blame one person for "overpaying". If Lowe really was a terrible GM and overpaying players, don't you think the rest of the league would agree rather than playing follow-the-leader? Also there's this: "I was not notified of this until an agent faxed it into us," Burke told Canadian Press in July. "I thought Kevin would have called me and told me it was coming. I thought that was gutless." That's whining, pure and simple. What right does he have to get a warning? Think anyone's going to give Ken Holland fair warning if they sign Flip to an offer sheet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Except for the fact that you have no idea what are you talking about. Your hatred towards Burke is ridiculous. Only a fool would pay so much for Penner. One of the best players..please. The fact is, Lowe started overpaying for players, no one says it is not legal, but if not for Lowe Vanek would never got 7 million a year et cetera. Lowe did totally stupid thing. And it has impact on each and every team. Burke is 100% right. I can't belive how biased some Wings fans are. Uhh, sorry. Burke whining about inflating salaries doesn't mean a lot to me coming from a guy who signed Bertuzzi for $8 million over two years. And some players, defenseman in particular, were already going for what I think is overpayment even before Lowe poached Penner. For a GM to whine to the press about something like that is totally unprofessional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) What the hell does me being a Wings fan have to do with Burke? Just because he's on the Ducks and you assume I hate everything Duckish? I hate Burke because he runs dirty teams. He was a useless disciplinarian who handed out unbelievably light penalties, and his Vancouver Canucks were one of the dirtiest teams, if not the dirtiest, in the league. Bertuzzi on Moore, Marc Crawford who's just a dirty coach, Bryan Allen and his knee-on-knee hits....while Burke was the Canucks GM, they were a bush-league outfit. Now Anaheim is the same way. I don't hate Burke because he's a Duck and Wings fans hate the Ducks. I hate the Ducks because of Burke. I think it's funny that you blame one person for "overpaying". If Lowe really was a terrible GM and overpaying players, don't you think the rest of the league would agree rather than playing follow-the-leader? Also there's this: That's whining, pure and simple. What right does he have to get a warning? Think anyone's going to give Ken Holland fair warning if they sign Flip to an offer sheet? You totally miss the point. Burke simply stated that Lowe started overpaying for player. That is correct. Vanek, average player, is making 7 million a year. Do you think that is normal? While I try to point out that Burke is right, all you do is to pick this bs: "That's whining, pure and simple. What right does he have to get a warning? Think anyone's going to give Ken Holland fair warning if they sign Flip to an offer sheet?" Newsflash: I am not talking about this. I am talking about rididculous overpaying for average players. Burke is 100% correct when he said Lowe started this s***. Burke is pissed that he had to pay big bucks to Perry. That's all. I never said Lowe is bad GM, only that he started this crazy overpaying. Your post only proves that your hatred towards Burke (not Ducks) makes you posting totally biased stuff without any thinking. Edited July 3, 2008 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 As much as I don't like Burke he's right 100%... but Burke did the same thing with Schneider and Bertuzzi... overpaid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 You totally miss the point. This is not about Ducks. Burke simply stated that Lowe started overpaying for player. That is correct. Vanek, average player, is making 7 million a year. Do you think that is normal? While I try to point out that Burke is right, all you do is to pick this bs: "That's whining, pure and simple. What right does he have to get a warning? Think anyone's going to give Ken Holland fair warning if they sign Flip to an offer sheet?" Newsflash: I am not talking about this. I am talking about rididculous overpaying for average players. And Lowe started this. Burke is 100% correct when he said Lowe started this s***. Burke is pissed that he had to pay big bucks to Perry. That's all. Your post only proves that your hatred towards Burke (not Ducks) makes you posting totally biased stuff without any thinking. Then what the hell does being a Leafs fan have anything to do with it? "I wonder how you'd react if you were Leafs fan...", what is that nonsense? Yep, I'd still hate Burke. Again, for possible comprehension: If what Lowe did was truly that ridiculous, then the rest of the league would have agreed, and not signed players to higher salaries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) If Lowe didn't do it someone else would have eventually. And only an idiot would pay that much for Penner? Penner got pretty much the same per year as Burke gave Bertuzzi so Burke was the idiot first going and bringing in his boy Bert. And Penner had a slightly better year and has more upside than Bert does right now. If Penner wasn't worth 4.3mil to score 47 points Bert wasn't worth 4mil to score 40pts. If Burke doesn't sign Bert he has the money to match if he felt the need and if he didn't match it he would have the money to keep McDonald when Neidermeyer came back. And I remember Burke saying something like I don't mind the offer sheet but it's the salary. Well if it was what Penner was "worth" Penner probably doesn't sign it and if he does Burker can match it so when you go after RFA's you have to overspend. While I don't really like what Lowe did it was all within his rights to do so and all Burke does is look like a cry baby right now. Edited July 3, 2008 by StevieY9802 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 Lowe definately overpaid for Penner. And maybe Burke's pissed because that inflated the salary of, say, a guy like Perry. But come on, blaming the money that was thrown around by the league on July 1 on Lowe is pretty, well, Low.......... As Harold stated, Burke signed Bertuzzi to an 8M/2year contract before Lowe poached Penner. And look how that signing ended up. To reiterate: Childish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 If anyone's to blame for ridiculous signings and outrageous contracts...it's the New York Islanders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) You totally miss the point. Burke simply stated that Lowe started overpaying for player. That is correct. Vanek, average player, is making 7 million a year. Do you think that is normal? While I try to point out that Burke is right, all you do is to pick this bs: "That's whining, pure and simple. What right does he have to get a warning? Think anyone's going to give Ken Holland fair warning if they sign Flip to an offer sheet?" Newsflash: I am not talking about this. I am talking about rididculous overpaying for average players. Burke is 100% correct when he said Lowe started this s***. Burke is pissed that he had to pay big bucks to Perry. That's all. I never said Lowe is bad GM, only that he started this crazy overpaying. Your post only proves that your hatred towards Burke (not Ducks) makes you posting totally biased stuff without any thinking. If you're going to try and sign someone's RFA and make an offer sheet, you HAVE to overpay. Otherwise their team will simply match and that'll be the end of it. With the draft picks you have to give up, there's already punitive aspects to making offer sheets on RFAs. I don't hear Burke whining about the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks he got for Penner. And if he had made a better offer earlier to Penner, say the $4 million he threw at Bertuzzi, he likely wouldn't have had that problem. Lowe's offers on RFA's are not leading to increased salaries. Those are a very specific and isolated situation. GM's as a whole get out of hand with the UFAs. It's Lowe's fault Vancouver offered Sundin $20 mill for 2 years? Lowe didn't start this. The GM's couldn't control themselves before the lockout. Now even with the new CBA, many still can't resist overpaying for players, especially UFA's. Besides, Burke should still be thanking Lowe for letting Pronger fall into his lap and putting Anaheim over the top for the Cup. Edited July 3, 2008 by haroldsnepsts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
