brutus 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2008 sour were were have had Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 13, 2008 it may not be a big deal but it is an incorrect statement. The term 'hired gun' holds connotations of someone coming in for a short term and leaving to do the same thing somewhere else...it is simply factually incorrect to label Shanahan's time with Detroit as a 'hired gun'...no big deal...perhaps you are too lazy to realize your error, but that does not make it a correct assessment. brutus ps. like another poster before I was so glad to find that this was not a bring Shanny back thread....soooooo glad! Not according to the dictionary American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This hired gun (hīrd) n. Slang One, especially a professional killer, who is hired to kill another person. One hired to fight for or protect another. One who is proficient at obtaining power for others. One with special knowledge or expertise, as in business, law, or government, who is hired to resolve particularly difficult or complex problems. There is no mention as to the length of time. So yea, Shanahan was a hired gun but you could also argue that lots of other people are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 13, 2008 Wayne didn't leave Edmonton he was also traded. He didn't want to leave. Wayne's wife wanted to go to L.A. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted July 13, 2008 Wayne's wife wanted to go to L.A. Wayne just won a Cup and found out he was going to be shopped. From what I understand he was initially upset by the news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brutus 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2008 (edited) Not according to the dictionary American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This hired gun (hīrd) n. Slang One, especially a professional killer, who is hired to kill another person. One hired to fight for or protect another. One who is proficient at obtaining power for others. One with special knowledge or expertise, as in business, law, or government, who is hired to resolve particularly difficult or complex problems. There is no mention as to the length of time. So yea, Shanahan was a hired gun but you could also argue that lots of other people are. Hey Chris nice to see you can use dictionary.com...however not to burst your savvy internet research bubble but you seemed to focus on the wrong word in your searching...'connotations' to be specific...as is plainly evidenced by previous posters in this thread, there is a common association that is missed in the bare dictionary.com definition of the phrase 'hired gun' and that is that it is generally associated with a short duration. Let’s have some fun and look at your specific points attempting to refute my argument: Point 1. We will call it the professional killer argument. Your assertion is that a professional killer assumes a role that would be considered by the average person as taking or requiring a long duration. I think not! Point 2. We will call it fight or protect. Again, I do not view this as an argument indication a lengthy duration of time. I would view this as a short term assignment Point 3. We will call it power for others. Once the power has been obtained does the person in power need the presence of the 'hired gun' to maintain power...clearly not or the definition would include maintaining power as opposed to just obtaining power...again I think you miss on this one too. Point 4. We will call it the specialist argument. This is perhaps the only definition from dictionary.com where you may be able to find some legs to stand on...but I would say the part about resolving particularly specific complex problems renders in to the same interpretation. The duration of time service is required to perform the activity of 'hired gun' is certainly tilted for the shorter duration of time than the longer. When you juxtapose these against the average term of service of a typical NHL player I believe you will find it is still inappropriate to call Shanahan a 'hired gun'. brutus Edited July 13, 2008 by brutus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted July 13, 2008 Ultimately, Shanny should become a legitimate, high-ranking official in the NHL. He might even be the first of his kind to bring some integrity back to what's become an ass-kissing, misdirected, unorganized, self-destructing, impotent, laughable, uncontrolled piece of crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted July 13, 2008 Hopefully the "bring back former Wings" cries will die down because we are out of cap space. God I hope so.... ...give McCarty the boot and that'll give us that much more... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted July 13, 2008 Not according to the dictionary American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This hired gun (hīrd) n. Slang One, especially a professional killer, who is hired to kill another person. One hired to fight for or protect another. One who is proficient at obtaining power for others. One with special knowledge or expertise, as in business, law, or government, who is hired to resolve particularly difficult or complex problems. There is no mention as to the length of time. So yea, Shanahan was a hired gun but you could also argue that lots of other people are. ...so using this logic, Yzerman was also a hired gun... ...As a matter of fact, the entire league are ALL hired guns! ...wow... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brutus 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2008 ...so using this logic, Yzerman was also a hired gun... ...As a matter of fact, the entire league are ALL hired guns! ...wow... not fail brutus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted July 13, 2008 Ultimately, Shanny should become a legitimate, high-ranking official in the NHL. He might even be the first of his kind to bring some integrity back to what's become an ass-kissing, misdirected, unorganized, self-destructing, impotent, laughable, uncontrolled piece of crap. Shanny for Commissioner! I could go for that. I wonder where he stands on the octopus matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2008 .... and after completely and utterly choking in the '06 playoffs? So you feel the same sort of animosity towards Yzerman too, or...? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 13, 2008 So you feel the same sort of animosity towards Yzerman too, or...? Yzerman was quite possibly our best player in those playoffs after Zetterberg. Shanahan did nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaKineMaui 8 Report post Posted July 13, 2008 Yzerman was quite possibly our best player in those playoffs after Zetterberg. Shanahan did nothing. Stevie was EASILY our best player after Hank in that run. And in fairness to Stevie - Hank had 2(two) legs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted July 13, 2008 Your right Shanahan did leave Detroit on a SOAR note, as in on a high, as a hero, on good terms. He didn't however leave the team on a SOUR note. If I'm not mistaken he said that he and Stevie sat down together and had a long conversation about it. His other reason for leaving was being closer to home. Shanahan lives in NJ. If he lives where I think he does, he might damn well be a mere 12 minutes away from me without me realizing it. Of course, I'd never stalk him, that ain't right. Still neat to be THAT close to my fave player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
