Kenny has some work left to do

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Who cares when they make the NHL. Being older does not make you a better prospect. In fact, the reverse is closer to the truth.

All our prospects have weaknesses, and Ericsson is no exception. I disagree with almost all of your post. I am excited by Ericsson but it's not like he'll be the next Kronwall. They say he'll be a top 4. Well great. Kindl and Smith are projected to be better.

Ryno and Mursak are also projected to be top 6 forwards in their prime. None of this is certain. No prospect is, but to say Ericsson is widely regarded as our top prospect couldn't be further from the truth. And that is all I'm saying.

No- it's not far from the truth. It's truth-adjacent if anything else. The only site that's updated their prospects for the Wings since season end has him first overall, Babcock and all of the brass is high on him, Ericsson was apparently a great source of interest from other teams at the deadline AND he's the best performing defenseman of all of the Wings call-ups this year as well as the only professional all-star not named Jimmy.

Kindl!?! Did you watch him this year? He was absolutely brutal. He had the worst +/- in the AHL at one point. Kindl has a great deal of talent and is very promising as a future hockey player but he's far from being NHL ready- hell, he's still struggling in the AHL. Ericsson is dominating in the AHL and it's his second season in North America. Kindl's been in NA for as long as Ericsson. The fact remains that with Ericsson the translation from prospect to NHL player is a clear one, with Kindl and the rest of our defensive prospects it's fuzzier.

A huge part of being a highly-regarded prospect is actually showing improvement and proving to your club that you can make the NHL jump. Ericsson's done that more so than any of our other prospects. The jump in performance he's made in the last two years is just incredible. Hell- he was +3 on a sub .500 hockey club as a fricking sophomore.

Smith is recovering from a bad back injury that may slow his development a tad (although he looked good in camp this month so there's no reason to think that he isn't still on track to be a great d-man in the future). He's not yet reached the AHL let-alone the NHL. Before he can jump up the depth charts and be better than Ericsson he's got to prove that he can make a smooth transition to the next level.

[norrisnick 1]

We didn't need Downey in the playoffs because we didn't play any dirty, physical teams. If we played Anaheim or Calgary, then Downey and McCarty would have been absolutely necessary, or the other team would take runs at our players all night without any retribution.

I just think it's funny how a few posters on LGW who have been taking Holland's pill for years are unwilling to realize that most of the league for decades has carried enforcers. The Wings success in the last 15 years isn't tied to enforcers one way or another.

We didn't have an enforcer in 2006 or 2007. How did those season turn out? As soon as we win the Cup, people now want to ban enforcers from hockey. Typical.

We completely obliterated Calgary in '07 without an enforcer. We went toe to toe with Anaheim as well. No way in hell dressing Downey or McCarty would have changed a damn thing.

It's not just Holland's pill. I know it's real easy to blast him, but it didn't start with him. It started with Bowman yet you all are very hesitant to tear Scotty apart. His teams have always been some of the least penalized fewest fight teams in the league. Even back in Montreal. Scotty knows what is important and everything comes before fighting ability. Everything. Come playoff time beard growing ability is just as important as fighting ability.

[Guest Crymson]

We didn't need Downey in the playoffs because we didn't play any dirty, physical teams. If we played Anaheim or Calgary, then Downey and McCarty would have been absolutely necessary, or the other team would take runs at our players all night without any retribution.

Ian Laperriere and Jordin TooToo would have taken shots against our players had it been in their hearts to do so. However, it's just not really in the gameplan of teams in the playoffs. Cheapshots and fights cause major penalties, and consistent major penalties throw games; teams don't want that in the playoffs. Teams are sometimes willing to throw games in the regular season, but they will never do so in the postseason. That's why you see few cheapshots and even fewer fights in the playoffs.

We didn't have an enforcer in 2006 or 2007. How did those season turn out?

How did those seasons turn out? In '06, we had the 5th-best record in the history of the NHL, and in '07 we were tied for the most points in the league.

We had an enforcer this season, and he did not play in the playoffs.

Your argument has holes.

I just think it's funny how a few posters on LGW who have been taking Holland's pill for years are unwilling to realize that most of the league for decades has carried enforcers. The Wings success in the last 15 years isn't tied to enforcers one way or another.

Holland's pill? Ah, yes, you mean the GM whom you ferociously bashed at the trade deadline for not making what you felt were the necessary moves. You yourself swallowed this 'pill' after the Cup, saying that Holland had done everything right. Now you're back to bashing the most successful GM of the past decade.

Edited July 17, 2008 by Crymson

[norrisnick 1]

NN - are you pro or con: Helm is on the starting lineup, first thing next season?

Ideally? Pro. I'd love it if Helm, Kopecky, and Maltby rotated in and out of the 4th line with Draper in the middle, but with Kop and Helm taking turns now and then at center.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

How did those seasons turn out? In '06, we had the 5th-best record in the history of the NHL, and in '07 we were tied for the most points in the league.

We had an enforcer this season, and he did not play in the playoffs.

Your argument has holes.

Everyone's argument has holes. At least I made one.

And McCarty did play in the playoffs. Yes, he's not a great enforcer compared to some, but fighting is still one of the reasons why he's on the roster.

Edited July 17, 2008 by GMRwings1983

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Ian Laperriere and Jordin TooToo would have taken shots against our players had it been in their hearts to do so. However, it's just not really in the gameplan of teams in the playoffs. Cheapshots and fights cause major penalties, and consistent major penalties throw games; teams don't want that in the playoffs. Teams are sometimes willing to throw games in the regular season, but they will never do so in the postseason. That's why you see few cheapshots and even fewer fights in the playoffs.

How did those seasons turn out? In '06, we had the 5th-best record in the history of the NHL, and in '07 we were tied for the most points in the league.

We had an enforcer this season, and he did not play in the playoffs.

Your argument has holes.

Holland's pill? Ah, yes, you mean the GM whom you ferociously bashed at the trade deadline for not making what you felt were the necessary moves. You yourself swallowed this 'pill' after the Cup, saying that Holland had done everything right. Now you're back to bashing the most successful GM of the past decade.

I never said Holland did everything right. We won the Cup because we were the hungriest team. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Holland is good, but he's not the God he's made out to be. I've always held true to that position. And I didn't complain about fighting in the playoffs because I realized that it wouldn't be necessary based on who we played. Also, there were more important things to worry about then. This is all regular season banter.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I don't understand how a team finishing last every year in fighting majors is not soft. The way you make it sound, no team is soft.

If every team has an enforcer and we don't, then I view that as making us a little softer than the opposition. Also, the rest of the league looks at the Wings as being somewhat of a soft team when it comes to the rough stuff. That doesn't mean the Wings don't work hard and aren't a pain in the ass to play against, but when it comes down to fisticuffs, yes I think we're soft.

I guess you have a different definition of toughness than I have. Maybe you're talkiing about "team toughness", while I'm looking at it the way other teams do.

Enforcers are fun to have and they don't hurt the team. Some posters like myself think we should have one, while many people don't. I guess it's kind of like a pissing contest.

That's a bit better.

These past two years, this team has not been soft. Again, consistently busting their butts skating hard, fighting for pucks in the corners, not being afraid to take hits and even dish a few hits out themselves. That isn't soft, and this team isn't soft. Softness is just not limited to 6'4"+ goons and enforcers and throwing fists like you are in a barfight, or lackthereof of those things in this instance.

Like I said in one of my last posts that I re-edited to be a bit nicer and civil, I have absolutely zero problem with your notion of liking enforcers and fighting over a lot of other things involved in the sport. Blasting fellow fans and an entire fan base though for not seeing your limited view of being soft though, I'm going to get on you for though. It is annoying as hell to see people in here who really, REALLY like fighting twist the words of those who might also like it but to a lesser degree and say we are absolutely against enforcers or fighters just because we do not place as heavy of an emphasis on them, whether it is for the better of a team or just entertainment value.

Enforcers are definitely fun to have, and I highly doubt anybody is saying they absolutely or a nuisance or hurt the team. I like them and I like a good fight on the ice every now and then. You are just twisting people's thoughts who aren't on your extreme side about it way out of context.

[HenryMalredo 2]

I don't understand how a team finishing last every year in fighting majors is not soft. The way you make it sound, no team is soft.

So all the guys on the Wings who play tough in corners, fight for the puck, and have no problem laying out big hits are soft because they don't want to drop the gloves? Honestly, If seeing borderline NHLers drop the gloves is what is most important to you, most cable packages have a channel that occasionaly show minor-league hockey.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

So all the guys on the Wings who play tough in corners, fight for the puck, and have no problem laying out big hits are soft because they don't want to drop the gloves? Honestly, If seeing borderline NHLers drop the gloves is what is most important to you, most cable packages have a channel that occasionaly show minor-league hockey.

Thanks for the tip.

[Guest Crymson]

I never said Holland did everything right. We won the Cup because we were the hungriest team. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Holland is good, but he's not the God he's made out to be. I've always held true to that position. And I didn't complain about fighting in the playoffs because I realized that it wouldn't be necessary based on who we played. Also, there were more important things to worry about then. This is all regular season banter.

Yes, and the team has never finished ranked lower than 1st in the league in any of the regular seasons since the lockout. If you're arguing that the team should have an enforcer because you like seeing fights, fine. If you're insinuating that lack of an enforcer will decrease the team's ability to win in the regular season, then history has already proven your point incorrect.

[Guest Crymson]

Everyone's argument has holes. At least I made one.

And McCarty did play in the playoffs. Yes, he's not a great enforcer compared to some, but fighting is still one of the reasons why he's on the roster.

McCarty was a 13th forward. When all of our players were healthy, he was a scratch.

As such, no, he was not on the roster for his pugilistic skills. He was on the roster because he was the best backup forward we had for when others were injured.

[Dabura 12,232]

At this point, Lilja's more intimidating as an enforcer than Mac is.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Fair shmair. Roberts blindsided Mule -- hardly "fair."

How is that relevant? I was mentioning a fight not a cheapshot. If you seriously belive Datsyuk would last ten seconds face to face with Gary ******* Roberts your delusional

[Guest Crymson]

How is that relevant? I was mentioning a fight not a cheapshot. If you seriously belive Datsyuk would last ten seconds face to face with Gary ******* Roberts your delusional

How would you know this, and what's the point?

[skacore 2]

With each post it becomes more apparent that the vast majority of this site has never played hockey. Enforcers are only usefull for rivalry games or entertainment value (which I do enjoy)

Funny you say that because I see it completely the other way around, those who have played COMPETITIVE hockey (AAA, Junior, not men's league) tend to value tough guys much more than those who just watch the sport on television.

[Opie 308]

GMR:

What is the point, the main goal of every team to start the season?

Have the most fights?

Have the Least fights?

Have the toughest most badass team?

Be the most Penalized?

Or....

Could it possibly be to win the cup?

I think the latter is the goal of almost every team, player, exec, owner in hockey.

Well if the Wings just won the cup with the same roster they have minus Drake, Downey, and Mac (Two of which could be back) yet added Hossa are you really going to ***** and moan that there is no heavyweight enforcer. Because having a dressed enforcer really stopped Lappy last year didn't it?

They are the odds on favorite at the cup this year, and have a better team than they just won it with!

They are a well balanced team, they are tough (just not by your narrow definition), they skate hard, and play as a team. It is great hockey to watch, if you want to see fighting and dirty play root for the flyers, or watch some old fight clips. But I just don't see why every offseason on this board there is this debate, when for the past 15 years this team has not added a big time enforcer. Even Mac in his prime wasn't a heavyweight champ, he was a guy who could play in Bowman's system, yet provide the fists if needed.

The losing to Ana argument is so weak, in the 07 playoff run the wings beat the Flames and Sharks teams that were arguably a ton tougher. Cal was supposed to steam roll Detroit physically, what happened there. The reason the Wings lost to Ana was not that Ana was tougher, it was that 2 of the top 4 D-men who also happened to be PP points were out with injuries, neither of which were caused by or could have been prevented by an enforcer.

And wasn't it you who in another thread was saying that fighting is entertaining to you and that was why you wanted to see it.

Who gives a rats ass if people call this team soft, just don't let them forget the Stanley Cup champion part of the deal.

I love a good fight, however I prefer to watch my team win as opposed to fight.

Philly is entertaining hockey, sometimes dirty but usually entertaining I will give you that, but ask their fans how many of them would trade all of that entertainment for one Cup.

You would like to see fighting fine, but state it that way, don't call others who could give two s***s about fighting, as opposed to winning, *******.

You are a spoiled fan who isn't happy with his/her team winning the cup, TOO BAD. Grow the f*** up and learn to appreciate what you are seeing, instead of being selfish and wanting the winning and your way too, you can't have your cake and eat it too!!!!

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

GMR:

What is the point, the main goal of every team to start the season?

Have the most fights?

Have the Least fights?

Have the toughest most badass team?

Be the most Penalized?

Or....

Could it possibly be to win the cup?

I think the latter is the goal of almost every team, player, exec, owner in hockey.

Well if the Wings just won the cup with the same roster they have minus Drake, Downey, and Mac (Two of which could be back) yet added Hossa are you really going to ***** and moan that there is no heavyweight enforcer. Because having a dressed enforcer really stopped Lappy last year didn't it?

They are the odds on favorite at the cup this year, and have a better team than they just won it with!

They are a well balanced team, they are tough (just not by your narrow definition), they skate hard, and play as a team. It is great hockey to watch, if you want to see fighting and dirty play root for the flyers, or watch some old fight clips. But I just don't see why every offseason on this board there is this debate, when for the past 15 years this team has not added a big time enforcer. Even Mac in his prime wasn't a heavyweight champ, he was a guy who could play in Bowman's system, yet provide the fists if needed.

The losing to Ana argument is so weak, in the 07 playoff run the wings beat the Flames and Sharks teams that were arguably a ton tougher. Cal was supposed to steam roll Detroit physically, what happened there. The reason the Wings lost to Ana was not that Ana was tougher, it was that 2 of the top 4 D-men who also happened to be PP points were out with injuries, neither of which were caused by or could have been prevented by an enforcer.

And wasn't it you who in another thread was saying that fighting is entertaining to you and that was why you wanted to see it.

Who gives a rats ass if people call this team soft, just don't let them forget the Stanley Cup champion part of the deal.

I love a good fight, however I prefer to watch my team win as opposed to fight.

Philly is entertaining hockey, sometimes dirty but usually entertaining I will give you that, but ask their fans how many of them would trade all of that entertainment for one Cup.

You would like to see fighting fine, but state it that way, don't call others who could give two s***s about fighting, as opposed to winning, *******.

You are a spoiled fan who isn't happy with his/her team winning the cup, TOO BAD. Grow the f*** up and learn to appreciate what you are seeing, instead of being selfish and wanting the winning and your way too, you can't have your cake and eat it too!!!!

Nice rant, but you needn't have typed so much or included needless insults.

I've been called out before for wanting an enforcer, when people tell me to go root for other teams and s*** like that. Ub fact you just did it yourself. Thus, I don't see any reason why I can't call out people who don't like enforcers.

I'm glad we won the Cup, but once again I'll say this for the 100th time, it had nothing to do with not having an enforcer in the lineup. I think the players and the fans at the JLA wouldn't mind having a tough guy in there. Stop bringing the Stanley Cup into this and making it sound like I'm not happy with the Cup victory.

I've been consistent throughout in my position on this, and it never depended on this team's success in the playoffs. I'll be happy if we win the Cup every year without an enforcer, but I have to have my grumblings from time to time. It's just a part of the game I like and I want my favorite team to have that like everyone else does.

[Opie 308]

Needless insults you were the one that started calling people *******, if you want to group all of the supposed anti fighting fans together as ******* expect some one to call you out!

The reason people tell you to go root for another team is you bashed Holland, you trash the style of play because there isn't a big NA forward punching people in the face every other shift. Then when the team wins the cup do you say, man last off season or at the deadline I was wrong. NO you move and post something else.

We went through this s*** all last off season, and what happened, a team you thought wasn't gritty enough, not tough enough, too Euro, too soft won the cup. You come on here months after telling all of us we have been brain washed into wanting softer or pussier hockey.

Last preseason you had the same ******* and moans, or gripes. You said it would cost the team if they didn't have an enforcer, how did that work out.

You come one here and preach your opinion of what a team should have and should be, the moment someone disagrees with you, they want a soft team or are pussified, yet you want people to not call you out.

Pot meet Kettle!!!

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Needless insults you were the one that started calling people *******, if you want to group all of the supposed anti fighting fans together as ******* expect some one to call you out!

The reason people tell you to go root for another team is you bashed Holland, you trash the style of play because there isn't a big NA forward punching people in the face every other shift. Then when the team wins the cup do you say, man last off season or at the deadline I was wrong. NO you move and post something else.

We went through this s*** all last off season, and what happened, a team you thought wasn't gritty enough, not tough enough, too Euro, too soft won the cup. You come on here months after telling all of us we have been brain washed into wanting softer or pussier hockey.

Last preseason you had the same ******* and moans, or gripes. You said it would cost the team if they didn't have an enforcer, how did that work out.

You come one here and preach your opinion of what a team should have and should be, the moment someone disagrees with you, they want a soft team or are pussified, yet you want people to not call you out.

Pot meet Kettle!!!

Maybe I fell off the moon, but didn't we have an enforcer last year by the name of Downey, and one more by the name of McCarty in the playoffs?

This year, I'm worried that we'll have neither. Stop treating Downey like he wasn't even part of the team last year.

Edited July 17, 2008 by GMRwings1983

[Opie 308]

Maybe I fell off the moon, but didn't we have an enforcer last year by the name of Downey, and one more by the name of McCarty in the playoffs?

This year, I'm worried that we'll have neither. Stop treating Downey like he wasn't even part of the team last year.

I never treated Downey like he wasn't a part of the team, in fact I said this season he would be the perfect fighter for this team a part time player, what you stated (last offseason) was he should be a full time player, and even during the year there were threads where people (yourself included) were asking why he wasn't playing instead of Sammy, Hudler, Flip at times.

Mac and Downey are at best Part time fighters, Mac had one sort of fight, and Downey had none in the post season. And as far as regular season goes, wasn't it you a couple of posts ago complaining that you didn't want the team to finish last in fights every year, but now, Downey being on the ice for 5 minutes a game 56 games a year is enough.

Make up my mind, stop flip flopping.

Are you entertained by enforcers, do you think they are necessary to win (last year that was your stance)? What exactly is it you want from an enforcer on this team or from this team in regards to an enforcer.

Notice the places I choose to use the words fighters and enforcers, the Red Wings had 0 count them 0 enforcers last year, they had 2 guys who would fight in Mac and Downey.

[Nightfall 871]

Needless insults you were the one that started calling people *******, if you want to group all of the supposed anti fighting fans together as ******* expect some one to call you out!

Last time I checked, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

The insults on this board fly around a little too often IMHO. I am as guilty of it as well at times and am trying to change my ways. Still, are insults really necessary? In a word....no.

Now kiss and make up and continue the discussion at hand.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I never treated Downey like he wasn't a part of the team, in fact I said this season he would be the perfect fighter for this team a part time player, what you stated (last offseason) was he should be a full time player, and even during the year there were threads where people (yourself included) were asking why he wasn't playing instead of Sammy, Hudler, Flip at times.

Mac and Downey are at best Part time fighters, Mac had one sort of fight, and Downey had none in the post season. And as far as regular season goes, wasn't it you a couple of posts ago complaining that you didn't want the team to finish last in fights every year, but now, Downey being on the ice for 5 minutes a game 56 games a year is enough.

Make up my mind, stop flip flopping.

Are you entertained by enforcers, do you think they are necessary to win (last year that was your stance)? What exactly is it you want from an enforcer on this team or from this team in regards to an enforcer.

Notice the places I choose to use the words fighters and enforcers, the Red Wings had 0 count them 0 enforcers last year, they had 2 guys who would fight in Mac and Downey.

I wasn't flip-flopping.

I'm content with Downey, but I'm worried that he won't be a part of this team at all next year. I'd rather have him over nothing. At the same time, Downey isn't exactly my ideal enforcer, and yes he is an enforcer despite what you might think. However, there are other enforcers I'd rather have and I've constantly mentioned their names on here.

As I've said all along, I want fighting for entertainment purposes, and because it's good to have someone for retribution when the other team starts something. It's not necessary for winning, but it does deter cheapshots somewhat, which is why teams have had enforcers for decades. Certain posters here disregard that, and behave as if teams throughout history have only dressed enforcers for the hell of it. In my opinion, that's not giving those teams enough credit. No one would dress an enforcer if they didn't feel it was necessary.

The fact that we finish last in fights is disturbing, but that's because Downey, Lija and Drake were the only ones fighting and at least 2 of those 3 will probably not be a part of this team. I'd like it if more of our guys fought, but what the hell. Maybe an elite enforcer would give us around 15-20 fights a year by himself.

I just got on you because your post made it sound like we didn't have an enforcer at all next year, and that isn't true. We did have one and it turned out well in the end. Nothing wrong with the team having another one slightly better and still getting the same result in the end.

[Dabura 12,232]

How is that relevant? I was mentioning a fight not a cheapshot. If you seriously belive Datsyuk would last ten seconds face to face with Gary ******* Roberts your delusional

1. *You're. If you're going to insult my intellect, make sure you at least know the difference between "your" and "you're" first.

2. It's relevant because it shows how epically idiotic this argument can get. "Dude, Roberts was at a total disadvantage!" Who gives a flying f***?! The guy took a shot to the back of Mule's head, knowing full well that Mule was having head problems and that one shot like that could have potentially ended his playoff run, maybe even his career. You guys want "enforcement"? Well, that's exactly what Datsyuk delivered. It doesn't matter if Robers "totally would have kicked his ass," because he didn't, and instead got his own ass handed to him. That he was "at a disadvantage" was poetic justice. If that's too much for you hardened fight fans to stomach, I've got news for you: that's enforcing.

If we're going to talk about being at a "disadvantage," I'd like to see Roberts try that s*** on Mule head-on.

Edited July 17, 2008 by Dabura

[Dabura 12,232]

Also, can we please shut up about fights? I mean really. What solid proof is there that we TOTALLY NEED MORE FIGHTERS?

We just won the Cup without a legitimate enforcer.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

1. *You're. If you're going to insult my intellect, make sure you at least know the difference between "your" and "you're" first.

2. It's relevant because it shows how epically idiotic this argument can get. "Dude, Roberts was at a total disadvantage!" Who gives a flying f***?! The guy took a shot to the back of Mule's head, knowing full well that Mule was having head problems and that one shot like that could have potentially ended his playoff run, maybe even his career. You guys want "enforcement"? Well, that's exactly what Datsyuk delivered. It doesn't matter if Robers "totally would have kicked his ass," because he didn't, and instead got his own ass handed to him. That he was "at a disadvantage" was poetic justice. If that's too much for you hardened fight fans to stomach, I've got news for you: that's enforcing.

If we're going to talk about being at a "disadvantage," I'd like to see Roberts try that s*** on Mule head-on.

The fact that I don't take the time to put an apostrophe obviously makes my point moot. how could i have forgotten. I left I and how uncaptilized, and had a period instead of a question mark, judge me!!! There, Their, They're. OMFG YOU WIN (except when I mention the fact that I 1) don't proofread my post, 2) Don't really care at all if you have to resort to my mistypes to win an arguement. Seriosuly not one person has ever been scorned by the fact that you correct peoples grammer. If you're (OMFG DABURA I LEARNED A NEW TRICK THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!) inplying low intelligence, go ahead, I am more than secure where I'm going to college, and of my IQ, and of my wealthy background.

2. It is not relevant at all. Datsyuk punched Roberts a whopping two times, while Roberts was being tackled by a ref for Pavel's sake. I seriously doubt after that Robert's train of thought was something like, "OMFG DATSYUK JUST PWNEDZORD ME I BETTER PLAY CLEAN." It dosen't work like that, generally you only get madder and more adrenilined fuled. If it was a "REAL FIGHT" than you'd be dejected but that dosent happen from two love taps.

Maybe you see that as "Redemption" or something but It really had no affect at all. The only statement made was that Pavel was not scared, which is good, but it defiantly didnt deter Roberts the rest of the Series.

You want to know who in my opinion the best enforcer ever was? Scott Stevens. Fought rarely, but if you f***ed with him, he wouldnt fight you... he would just flat knock your ass out.

Career ending hitters are far more useful and scary than a feared fighter, espically since a Hitter can target anyone, while "ENFORCERS" are grounded my the instigator rule. Contray to popular belief, Boogard will not fight Hudler this season, ending his career. Contray to popular belief, Downey beating up Lapeierre didnt make Lidstrom heal faster, and it didnt help us at all after the games done, as by then the momenntum and andreniline rush had faded. It certainly didnt help us the next few games.

A fearsome hitter however, would have made some diffirence. Seeing as you've most probably never played hockey before though I'll allow you to be delusional and think an having an Enforcer is going to stop pests from being pests.