Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted July 31, 2008 http://www.behindthejersey.com/2008/07/08/...-trading-block/ found the interview if this link works. http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/...y_and_Wojo_Show Excellent - Thanks very much!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dump-N-Thump Report post Posted July 31, 2008 If Hall Gill can warrant a 3rd rounder, WE should be able to get a 3rd rounder out of lily pad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted July 31, 2008 I'm happy about Flip, and am confident that financially this deal looks like Zetterberg's by year 4. I was thrilled when we signed Stuart and shocked when we signed Marion.*******.Hossa. This one I'm less thrilled with, but very satisfied, nonetheless. What a core Kenny has kept together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted July 31, 2008 It's not other teams looking for him, it's him looking for other teams. If this year he is able to stack his stats and get one big offer, that makes him a high risk player, and I don't want to pull a Pittsburgh and get rid of key players (Franzen included) to keep a guy who probably leaves to make a large amount of cash. In the cap world Hossa will have a hard time fitting in when we have big stars like Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Rafalski, and Stuart. If KH can get to keep both then I'm all for it but I would rather have a more humble player who can make a good amount of points for the team (this is all depending on what happens this season obviously) and gives us good cap space for our stars and other decent players. Essentially my opinion means jack squat in the long run depending on many factors, so its really just an opinion thing that you can't really be proven wrong on. We will see come july. Where do you get that Mule is more humble than Hossa? Hossa just turned down $70-80M in order to play for the Wings and will likely play on the second line, it doesn't sound like he is that arrogant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 31, 2008 Yes they would. Lilja at the time of signing his contract had bargaining power. Quincey and Meech do not. I would think you would be one to note how comparing RFA and UFA signings is apples and oranges because of that. I completely understand and know that's a huge factor in determining player salary. My point is not about the amount of money that Lilja got based on his veteran status or the fact that he was an UFA. The point is if the Wings felt they had an equal in Meech/Quincey/etc., why bother ponying up twice that amount for UFA Lilja. I know players like Meech and Quincey don't have the bargaining power, but the Wings management has the vision to know when a player that would make half as much would be able to *completely* fill the shoes of one they should walk away from. That's my point. It has nothing to do with Lilja and his bargaining power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted July 31, 2008 Great to see Filppula signing a long term deal with us, and though it does look like an overpayment right now, in the long turn it will most likely become a steal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted July 31, 2008 I am sure if you had to ask Holland would he rather keep Hossa or Flip the answer would be Hossa, but you can't bank on Hossa signing next year. It was very nice of him to take the one year contract to come here but it's not like he signed for 5 million. It's the classic a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Holland had to sign Flip to this contract because if he didn't he might end up with neither one in two years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinRedWing 172 Report post Posted July 31, 2008 Knew it. But with that salary comes big responsibility to put up huge points (at least in here),so I think he has to score 25+35 next season or he'll be the next LGW whipping boy. Meh. Too long, and too much for right now. But Kenny knows what he's doing, and if Filpula is playing with Hossa next year, he better put up points. Anyways, if Filppula does not capitalize on this, this year, I hope he is traded at the end of the season so we can keep some other cogs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted July 31, 2008 He's never lacked for linemates, and there is a good chance he will not be playing with Zetterberg or Datsyuk most of the time, so in fact, his linemates in Detroit will be worse than what he has had in the past. The big difference will be defense -- he will have better checking support from the other forwards, and he will have defensemen more capable of joining in as well as sending the outlet pass fast and accurate. Hossa is not going to shock and amaze anyone (that has watched him play before) by being on this Detroit team. Fortunately, he could not suprise me and put up close to a hundred points... it's just that some here seem to think Hossa, on the Wings, is all of a sudden going to put up 120+ points and win a Selke. He is not as good as Datsyuk and Zetterberg defensively. Not even close. He is as good or slightly better than Filppula defensively. Anyways, if Filppula does not capitalize on this, this year, I hope he is traded at the end of the season so we can keep some other cogs. , what exactly is capitalizing, 50, 60, 70 points? And by trading away him, you honestly think that an extra 3 million bucks will be able to account for the pay raises of Hank and Franzen? Get real. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 31, 2008 Knew it. Sorry Fin, but Filpula is no Belak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 31, 2008 , what exactly is capitalizing, 50, 60, 70 points? And by trading away him, you honestly think that an extra 3 million bucks will be able to account for the pay raises of Hank and Franzen? Get real. $3 million? That very well could be the difference between keeping Franzen *and* Hossa. If he is not putting up at least 50 pts I will be disappointed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted July 31, 2008 $3 million? That very well could be the difference between keeping Franzen *and* Hossa. If he is not putting up at least 50 pts I will be disappointed. Unless someone gets injured prepare to be disappointed this year. Filppula isn't going to get 50 points in ES and short handed situations, there's no room for him on the PP. Filppula is a kind of guy who's getting paid for things that don't show up on the stat sheet. 3m is about 500k more than we all would've liked, Holland included, but I'd rather have the risk taken now instead of having to pay more in 2 years if his progession continues at a high pace. Even with Filppula signing a 1.5m contract the odds that Hossa would re-sign were slim. Say 16m to re-sign Samuelsson, Hudler, Kopecky, Franzen, Zetterberg and Hossa. We also have to get a backup goalie if Howard is still not ready. Let's say Holland wants to re-sign everyone like he usually does (these will be on the high side) - Samuelsson gets a raise to 2m, Hudler gets a raise to ~2.5m, Kopecky at around 800k, Franzen gets 4m, Zetterberg at 7.3m and Hossa at 7.3m. Even subtracting Samuelsson and maybe rounding down a bit, it was going to be tight no matter what. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinRedWing 172 Report post Posted July 31, 2008 Sorry Fin, but Filpula is no Belak We'll always have Wade. Unless someone gets injured prepare to be disappointed this year. Filppula isn't going to get 50 points in ES and short handed situations, there's no room for him on the PP. Filppula is a kind of guy who's getting paid for things that don't show up on the stat sheet. QFT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 31, 2008 I agree it was going to be tight, but there was at least a chance before. I really would have prefered him on a 2 year contract at around $2 million... just for the flexibility. If he pans out, he gets his raise in two years, if not... no loss. Arbitration would not have given him any more than that and I am sure his agent knew it. The kind of guy who is "getting paid for things that don't show up on the stat sheet" do not make $3 million a year. Especially when the Wings already have a ton of that. He needs to produce, IMO, to justify that kind of salary on a team where 80% of the players are making less than their worth. Hudler, IMO, could produce enough to justify that number... not sure if Filppula can. And I could very well be wrong here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
