Pavel Datsyuk Top 5 in Trade Value?

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Thought this article was pretty interesting: http://tsn.ca/columnists/scott_cullen/?id=...os=topStory_nhl . It lists the NHL's top 25 players by trade value (according to Scott Cullen), and the one Red Wing to make the list is Pavel Datsyuk, at #5. If Holland can follow up with a similar contract for Zetterberg, I can imagine he would rank similiarly.

#5

Player: Pavel Datsyuk

Position: C

Team: Detroit Red Wings

Age: 30

Contract Expires: 2014

Salary Cap Hit: $6.7M

Comment: More than just a magician with the puck, Datsyuk has proven he can get the job done in the playoffs and he's improved dramatically as an all-around player.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I laughed when I saw Getzlaf's name in there, let alone in the top 4.

....and Crosby is overrated, yet again! I respect Toews or Kane more than I do of Crosby and Malkin.

I do agree with Ovechkin being #1.

I hate the guy too, but Getzlaf has all the things people look for. Size, heart, skill, talent. He's top 10 easily. Crosby overrated? Please, he's a whiney little baby, yepp, but he is one hell of a hockey player, and I'd take him over Ovechkin in a heartbeat. These selections are not based on opinion, there based on what the player brings to the table, and for the most part there accurate.

[seeinred 1,488]

Well what are we waiting for then? Let's trade him!

[Duck Guy 86]

Well what are we waiting for then? Let's trade him!

straight up trade Parros for Dats whats that saying....? MAKE IT HAPPEN KENNY

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I hate the guy too, but Getzlaf has all the things people look for. Size, heart, skill, talent. He's top 10 easily. Crosby overrated? Please, he's a whiney little baby, yepp, but he is one hell of a hockey player, and I'd take him over Ovechkin in a heartbeat. These selections are not based on opinion, there based on what the player brings to the table, and for the most part there accurate.

While the Crosby vs. Ovechkin preference is debatable (and endless right now because anybody can make a valid case for either to be the best player in the league and I do not want to get into endless debates), what you quoted just shows the ridiculous bias a lot of people in here have against Crosby and Malkin because (1) they are talked about so much by media outlets in the NHL and (2) Detroit recently playing them in a playoff series.

Same thing with Getzlaf and the Ducks to a smaller degree.

Datsyuk's value is that high? Well hot damn, what are we waiting for?! Trade him now for 17 enforcers from Anaheim and Calgary? Get in done Kenny! No wait...

Edited August 26, 2008 by SouthernWingsFan

[Guest DetroitBoy313]

Zetterberg should of been on that list.Not only on the list but in the top 10 in my opinion.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

I would have thought Luongo would have cracked the top 10 on that list. Lids and Hank should definately be top 15 at the least, and answer this question - what player would you rather have? Anze Kopitar or Rick Nash? The latter replaces the former at no. 13 if it's my list, despite Kopitar being a center and Nash a winger. And Backstrom ahead of Kipper? Again, who would you rather have?

Edited August 26, 2008 by Hockeytown0001

[b.shanafan14 733]

Yeah, some one the selections are a bit suspect. Getzlaf was a HUGE surprise, definately shouldn't be in the Top 10, and how he is in front of Datsyuk is beyond me. Also, Lidstrom was in #28 for a sure fire Norris winner/contender for 2 full seasons while there are top 15-20 forwards with one or two years of contract left in the top 20 or so on the trade value list.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Zetterberg should of been on that list.Not only on the list but in the top 10 in my opinion.

No he shouldn't have. The author stated in the parameters that the list was based on having a contract in place that guarantees the traded player will be a part of his new team for years to come. Z's contract is up after this season. If Z signs a contract even remotely similar to Dats' he'd be right around Datsyuk on this list.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Zetterberg should of been on that list.Not only on the list but in the top 10 in my opinion.

Do you understand how the list was compiled?

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I laughed when I saw Getzlaf's name in there, let alone in the top 4.

....and Crosby is overrated, yet again! I respect Toews or Kane more than I do of Crosby and Malkin.

I do agree with Ovechkin being #1.

What does "respecting" Toews and Kane more have to do with the author's point or the list at all? It's about trade value. It' s not about who you personally want to hang out with or make babies with, okay.

It's interesting, your bias, that is, in that you have AO right where he needs to be yet Crosby and Malkin are overrated? I'm not sure you understand how the list was compiled. Or you do but you just don't like the other 2 so they're overrated. You have arguably the 3 most talented offensive weapons in the league yet 2 of them are overrated but AO is spot on at #1?

sure, ok

[Booster313 138]

I am not saying that Crosby doesn't deserve his praise, and he is "one hell of a hockey player" but an arguement can be made that he's overrated. People treat him like he is the second coming of Gretzky, just like they do with Labron and Jordan. The fact is Crosby hasn't done anything to deserve that type of comparison yet, well except play really good hockey and be a marketable face for the NHL. He hasn't won a cup, he isn't shattering records.

Excellent Hockey Player: YES

The Second Coming: Remains to be seen.

[Konnan511 1,736]

I am not saying that Crosby doesn't deserve his praise, and he is "one hell of a hockey player" but an arguement can be made that he's overrated. People treat him like he is the second coming of Gretzky, just like they do with Labron and Jordan. The fact is Crosby hasn't done anything to deserve that type of comparison yet, well except play really good hockey and be a marketable face for the NHL. He hasn't won a cup, he isn't shattering records.

Excellent Hockey Player: YES

The Second Coming: Remains to be seen.

Didn't he break most points scored before 20 and most points in first 2 seasons, most assists by a rookie by like 10 or something? Youngest player ever to reach 100 points in a season? Wasn't he the youngest captain to ever be in a Stanley Cup final and youngest player in Team Canada's history? And youngest player ever to win a World Championship scoring title? I just remmeber hearing a bunch of this stuff and don't know exactly if it's all true. I can't stand Crosby as much as the next person, but like most, the reason we hate him so much shows how much respect we have for the guy. Admit it if you want, or keep living in denial about it.

But back on topic, Datsyuk with his skills and contract easily puts him top five and the reason hank isn't on the list is because no one would trade for him since his contract will be up after this season and it'd take a lot to get him, and they'd have to be prepared to offer in the 8 to 11 million range to retain him per season.

Edited August 26, 2008 by Konnan511

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

It is a top 50 list, you saw the top 25. Kronner, Lidstrom, Z, and Dats are on the list. Dats is the only one in the top 25.

[Booster313 138]

Didn't he break most points scored before 20 and most points in first 2 seasons, most assists by a rookie by like 10 or something? Youngest player ever to reach 100 points in a season? Wasn't he the youngest captain to ever be in a Stanley Cup final and youngest player in Team Canada's history? And youngest player ever to win a World Championship scoring title? I just remmeber hearing a bunch of this stuff and don't know exactly if it's all true. I can't stand Crosby as much as the next person, but like most, the reason we hate him so much shows how much respect we have for the guy. Admit it if you want, or keep living in denial about it.

But back on topic, Datsyuk with his skills and contract easily puts him top five and the reason hank isn't on the list is because no one would trade for him since his contract will be up after this season and it'd take a lot to get him, and they'd have to be prepared to offer in the 8 to 11 million range to retain him per season.

I like Crosby...I have no issue at all with him, I just don't know if he is that much better than say AO, or Datsyuk, or Zetterberg, or Malkin, or Lacavailer...etc.

It's just my opinion that Mr. Crosby has a LONG way to go before we can fairly call him the best ever or even the second best ever. I was simply making an argument that he can be considered overrated in that respect.

As the the records, I can't speak to that. sorry

[ben_usmc 253]

I am not saying that Crosby doesn't deserve his praise, and he is "one hell of a hockey player" but an arguement can be made that he's overrated. People treat him like he is the second coming of Gretzky, just like they do with Labron and Jordan. The fact is Crosby hasn't done anything to deserve that type of comparison yet, well except play really good hockey and be a marketable face for the NHL. He hasn't won a cup, he isn't shattering records.

Excellent Hockey Player: YES

The Second Coming: Remains to be seen.

Best way to say Ovie is better, when Crosby went down they still made the playoffs. What would happen if Ovie went down in D.C.?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Best way to say Ovie is better, when Crosby went down they still made the playoffs. What would happen if Ovie went down in D.C.?

Not that I'm arguing that Crosby is better than AO, but you're comparing apples to oranges here. Pittsburgh was much more stacked last year than Washington.

[Vladiator 116]

Actually there is a Top 50 Trade Value List. Hossa is #46, Lidstom is #28 and Zetts is #27 with Kronwall getting an honorable mention.

http://www.tsn.ca./columnists/scott_cullen/?id=246911

[Doc Holiday 0]

Didn't he break most points scored before 20 and most points in first 2 seasons, most assists by a rookie by like 10 or something? Youngest player ever to reach 100 points in a season? Wasn't he the youngest captain to ever be in a Stanley Cup final and youngest player in Team Canada's history? And youngest player ever to win a World Championship scoring title? I just remmeber hearing a bunch of this stuff and don't know exactly if it's all true. I can't stand Crosby as much as the next person, but like most, the reason we hate him so much shows how much respect we have for the guy. Admit it if you want, or keep living in denial about it.

Well the thing is I don't believe his point getting will continue to go up from here on out, which makes me only think he will be a great, not "Great" forward in the years to come.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

I laughed when I saw Getzlaf's name in there, let alone in the top 4.

....and Crosby is overrated, yet again! I respect Toews or Kane more than I do of Crosby and Malkin.

I do agree with Ovechkin being #1.

Too bad your 'respect' has no bearing on anyones trade value.

For the record, you can hate Crosby and think he is overrated - but if you think Toews or Kane -who are going to be great players, don't get me wrong - are better then Crosby, well...you must not watch a lot of hockey.

[CrossoverThrash 0]

that was the dumbest list ever, means absoultely nothing

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Nope.

Dats and Zetter are the two best 1-2 punch in the NHL and have trophy's to prove it. While Crosby played well in the SCF, Hossa was their best player. Malkin who?

I agree Zetter doesn't fit on this *** list due to contracts, Dats should be #3, Malkin; #5 or #6, Crosby; #4. AO is right where he should be.

Oh, and you are wrong there champ. Getzlaf doesn't have more trade value than Dats. Atleast not by any sane GM.

My 'respect' comment was based on Toews and Kane played against the best 1-2 punch in NHL stronger than Crosby and Mr. Invisible. Zats and Dats as a duo totally outclassed those two penguin wankers, when we played chi-town, I was simply impressed with the Toews kane duo. And I'm looking forward to seeing their chemistry again soon.

So would you trade Dats (or) Zetter even up for Crosby (or) Malkin? I know I wouldn't!

How can you compare Kane and Toews in a regular season Red Wings slack-off match against the Hawks to Malkin and Crosby in the playoffs against a determined Red Wings squad vying for the ultimate prize? Its one thing to like Kane and Toews over Malkin and Crosby - I sure as hell do. But its another entirely to let your bias get in the way of intelligent hockey debate.

And if you're calling Malkin Mr. Invisible, I hope you were calling Datsyuk the same thing every season prior to this past one when his playoff performances were enough to earn him the choker labels.

[Guest MrSandMan]

How can you compare Kane and Toews in a regular season Red Wings slack-off match against the Hawks to Malkin and Crosby in the playoffs against a determined Red Wings squad vying for the ultimate prize? Its one thing to like Kane and Toews over Malkin and Crosby - I sure as hell do. But its another entirely to let your bias get in the way of intelligent hockey debate.

And if you're calling Malkin Mr. Invisible, I hope you were calling Datsyuk the same thing every season prior to this past one when his playoff performances were enough to earn him the choker labels.

I guess I can compare them like you are comparing a 'stacked' 07-08 Pens team to a young / developing Hawks team. Dats may had some playoffs run where he was invisible, but Malkin was a straight up liability. Big difference little lady.

I know I'm debating duo-to-duo, but throw Kane / Toews in lieu of Crosby / Malkin and you'll see an entirely different game.

Bottom line Malkin hasn't earned his 'value', and quite frankly, I'm not so sure Crosby has either. Good players? Sure. O'ye Hocky-God almighty himself, hardly.

Put Crosby on a crappy team and see if he is still god-almighty.

Would you trade Dats for Malkin? I know I wouldn't.

Edited August 27, 2008 by MrSandMan

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I guess I can compare them like you are comparing a 'stacked' 07-08 Pens team to a young / developing Hawks team. Dats may had some playoffs run where he was invisible, but Malkin was a straight up liability. Big difference little lady.

I know I'm debating duo-to-duo, but throw Kane / Toews in lieu of Crosby / Malkin and you'll see an entirely different game.

Bottom line Malkin hasn't earned his 'value', and quite frankly, I'm not so sure Crosby has either. Good players? Sure. O'ye Hocky-God almighty himself, hardly.

Put Crosby on a crappy team and see if he is still god-almighty.

Would you trade Dats for Malkin? I know I wouldn't.

Yeah, Sidney hasnt earned his value, good one. Please, is Gretzky also not the best player of all time because he was a wuss?

Put Crosby on a team like Columbus and they make the playoffs. He's that good. You say Datsyuk or Malkin, how about Datsyuk or Crosby? As much as I love Dats and his feistyness, I'm taking Crosby, he's the best player in the NHL. Your comment about Toews and Kane is just stupid, do you watch the players? Toews is not flash, he's good hockey yes, but not flash. Kane has speed and skill, but he doesnt wow you all the time. When Crosby is healthy, he does, and Malkin helps. (BTW, before you say I'm a Sid Slappie or something along those lines, Im not a huge Crosby fan, and I hate Malkin.)

Edited August 29, 2008 by Detroit # 1 Fan

[eva unit zero 271]

Yeah, Sidney hasnt earned his value, good one. Please, is Gretzky also not the best player of all time because he was a wuss?

Put Crosby on a team like Columbus and they make the playoffs. He's that good. You say Datsyuk for Malkin, how about Datsyuk for Crosby? As much as I love Dats and his feistyness, I'm taking Crosby, he's the best player in the NHL.

Crosby is not the best player in the NHL. Lidstrom is the best. Based on last season, I probably would say Zetterberg and Dats outplayed Crosby also. So a ranking of players who played in the finals would have Crosby no higher than fourth; and that's just from those two teams. Admittedly, those two teams have five of the ten best players in the NHL...so it's no slight to Crosby there. But the best in the world, Crosby is not.