Chelios, McCarty to return

[swiss_fan 3]

WRONG! if mc is down and meech also +quicey transferred everything is ok (it s not necessary that they will bring in 23 players isn t it?)... SO THAT MEANS LILJA WILL NOT AUTOMATICALLY BE TRADED.

anyway.. i know it s summer time but how many times have you stated this opinion in different topic? becomes boring. We all don t know if Lilja will be traded or not and that s a fact! You can repeat it as many times as you want we will discuss about that in september

Edited August 31, 2008 by swiss_fan

[Herr Hockey 0]

it might not be idiotic since we have really strong prospects coming up through the ranks.

If we trade, for instance, Lilja for 1st round picks or a solid offensive prospect, we'd be getting deeper for the class coming after the Quincys and Ericssons.

Thereby we're good today, good tomorrow and might be better the day after that, so to speak.

I agree with everything in the post except for the part about 1st round picks. Lilja wouldn't even bring in a 2nd unless we had more going the other way. Think of it this way: Lilja is not nearly as good of a defenseman as Huet is a goaltender.

[miller76 463]

Please stop wasting bandwidth by forcing me to re-explain this to you over and over.

You should be the one to talk! Talk about wasting bandwidth with re-explaining everything for us.

Edited August 31, 2008 by miller76

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Why in the world would you trade a cheap young defenceman, instead of Lilja, who is comparable to Chelios, just costs more. It makes sense to deal him even if people dont want to believe it, just because we're the classy Red Wings doesnt mean we wouldnt do a sign and trade, and it isnt really one anyways, since we'd likely deal him in late September.

[Doggy 130]

The Wings currently have 22 players signed who cannot be sent down without clearing waivers. This does not include contracts for McCarty, Chelios, or Quincey. The Wings, with only these 22 contracts included, are only $400k under the cap. The Wings intend to carry 23 players, the roster limit. The NHL minimum salary is $475k.

Please explain to me how the Wings will be getting out of this situation if not by clearing cap space, which CANNOT BE DONE BY REMOVING MINIMUM SALARY DEFENSEMEN such as Meech.

Here; I'll detail it for you. We'll assume that Chelios, McCarty and Quincey are signed to league minimum deals since they are unsigned.This pushes the Wings to 25 players; which is 2 over the roster limit and 1.025m over the cap with 14 forwards, 9 defensemen, and 2 goalies. We'll assume that McCarty, the worst forward, is waived and sent down. This puts the Wings with 13-9-2 at about 625k over the cap. Please, oh wise one, tell me who gets sent down to Grand Rapids next that gets the Wings under the cap?

Would it be Meech and his 483k cap hit? How about Chelios or Quincey with their 475k hits? Lebda with his 650k cap hit would do it, but would leave the Wings butting right up against the cap. Oh, I know; is there a defenseman who makes more than Lebda, Meech, or Quincey and is competing with them for a position? Why yes, yes there is. Andreas Lilja, and his 1.25m cap hit. Please stop wasting bandwidth by forcing me to re-explain this to you over and over.

I'm disappointed in myself for wasting my own time to read this entire post.

Eva, the Wings can carry 20-23 players on their roster. They don't have to have 23. This is where you are wrong and why you should THINK BEFORE YOU POST STUPID, UNINFORMED CRAP IN EVERY FRIGGING THREAD!!!

[swiss_fan 3]

i love doggy style

Edited August 31, 2008 by swiss_fan

[eva unit zero 271]

I'm disappointed in myself for wasting my own time to read this entire post.

Eva, the Wings can carry 20-23 players on their roster. They don't have to have 23. This is where you are wrong and why you should THINK BEFORE YOU POST STUPID, UNINFORMED CRAP IN EVERY FRIGGING THREAD!!!

If people would abide by the board rules, or the mods would do their job and merge threads with like topics (Hey, let's talk about the Wings' roster IN ANOTHER ******* THREAD!) then I wouldn't post it in every thread on the topic. But if you want to get technical, I am only posting the 'Lilja will be traded/waived' argument in threads dealing with the topic of the defensive logjam. Which furthers the point of EVERY ******* THREAD DEALS WITH THE SAME GOD DAMNED TOPIC.

[Osgood=WIN! 0]

idiotic. So we trade a young defeseman to make way for a 46 year old who we didnt need to win stanley cup?

Idiotic indeed. Yes Chelly is a veteran presence on the back end, but so are Lidstrom and Rafalski. There is no need for him. If he can't contribute, let him go.

[chrisdetroit 189]

I thought my idea of not paying Fil 3 million a year to be on the 3rd line was good, but oh well. I'd rather not see either of them go. If I had to pick I'd lose Lebda.

Good thing Kenny didn't agree with you.

[South Dakota wings fan 7]

it might not be idiotic since we have really strong prospects coming up through the ranks.

If we trade, for instance, Lilja for 1st round picks or a solid offensive prospect, we'd be getting deeper for the class coming after the Quincys and Ericssons.

Thereby we're good today, good tomorrow and might be better the day after that, so to speak.

If Lilja was worth a first round pick he wouldn't be such a journeyman. It's just too bad Stuart didn't sign a little sooner so we didn't have to waste time with Lilja. Now the Wings just look low class if they trade him away after signing him as a UFA.

[miller76 463]

If people would abide by the board rules, or the mods would do their job and merge threads with like topics (Hey, let's talk about the Wings' roster IN ANOTHER ******* THREAD!) then I wouldn't post it in every thread on the topic. But if you want to get technical, I am only posting the 'Lilja will be traded/waived' argument in threads dealing with the topic of the defensive logjam. Which furthers the point of EVERY ******* THREAD DEALS WITH THE SAME GOD DAMNED TOPIC.

Actually, I think the mods do a pretty decent job at merging these threads. But whats the deal with the capitalized 'F" bombs? You should hope the mods don't do their job after all. Isn't there a rule or law on here about going overboard on the profanity?

[daniel1 32]

If people would abide by the board rules, or the mods would do their job and merge threads with like topics (Hey, let's talk about the Wings' roster IN ANOTHER ******* THREAD!) then I wouldn't post it in every thread on the topic. But if you want to get technical, I am only posting the 'Lilja will be traded/waived' argument in threads dealing with the topic of the defensive logjam. Which furthers the point of EVERY ******* THREAD DEALS WITH THE SAME GOD DAMNED TOPIC.

Chill. Jesus loves you, and we ALL love the Red Wings. None of us really knows what will/could/might/maybe/possibly/perchance happen. Injuries before the season may even solve the problem without anyone having to be traded/waived for quite some time. Numerous things could happen depending on what offers Kenny gets in the pre-season. We all like to speculate and debate and that's because we can't wait for this season to start (it's taking FOREVER) and we're passionate about how we feel the Wings should manage their players. We all have opinions and suggestions, but just because someone doesn't like or agree with them doesn't mean that theirs is right and yours is wrong or vice versa. Let's just respect other's opinions while gently, politely explaining our own. Thanks everyone and have a great night Seattle! I'm here all week lol .

[Yzerfan1999 81]

If people would abide by the board rules, or the mods would do their job and merge threads with like topics (Hey, let's talk about the Wings' roster IN ANOTHER ******* THREAD!) then I wouldn't post it in every thread on the topic. But if you want to get technical, I am only posting the 'Lilja will be traded/waived' argument in threads dealing with the topic of the defensive logjam. Which furthers the point of EVERY ******* THREAD DEALS WITH THE SAME GOD DAMNED TOPIC.

Relax. Its the offseason. There isn't much else to talk about.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

If Lilja was worth a first round pick he wouldn't be such a journeyman. It's just too bad Stuart didn't sign a little sooner so we didn't have to waste time with Lilja. Now the Wings just look low class if they trade him away after signing him as a UFA.

It's easier to make that claim after the fact. I think the overall consensus was that Stuart was going to leave during free agency. It was a smart move by Holland to sign Lilja beforehand, if in fact Stuart ended up signing elsewhere. If neither sticks around, then the Red Wings are left with a major void on the second pairing and back-end of the defense.

You can never have enough defensemen. It's a good problem to have going into training camp. Despite the disdain for Lilja on this board, he is really not hurting the Red Wings by being on the roster. For a third pairing defenseman, Lilja does everything you could ask for - kills penalties and blocks shots. If one or both of Quincey or Meech outplay Lilja in a couple of weeks, then I'm guessing he will be pretty expendable. IMO, Lilja brings far more to the team than Lebda ever will, so I would prefer Lebda goes. Regardless, the Red Wings are stacked on defense, no matter how the situation plays out.

Edited September 1, 2008 by GoWings1905

[eva unit zero 271]

Actually, I think the mods do a pretty decent job at merging these threads. But whats the deal with the capitalized 'F" bombs? You should hope the mods don't do their job after all. Isn't there a rule or law on here about going overboard on the profanity?

I haven't gone overboard. I've had to deal with this guy calling my posts stupid and a waste of bandwidth in like 6 threads for the past week. I would call it justified and not overboard. Especially when 99% of the time I refrain from using profanity and I typically will refrain from posting in duplicate threads other than to note that they are duplicates if mods do not appear to have noticed them and they have been around for a while. I do not come on these boards to receive personal attacks in every thread I post in over the fact that I posted something that another poster felt was erroneous because I posted it in another thread with the same topic.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go "spam" the 86 other topics dealing with what defenseman might be traded away with my opinion that Lilja is by far the most likely answer due to his age, salary, and performance.

[CopenhagenWing 38]

or the mods would do their job and merge threads with like topics..

Where's my check?

Edited September 1, 2008 by CopenhagenWing

[miller76 463]

I haven't gone overboard.

Really? My 4 year old thought so. But I guess that's my fault he can read already, and he stands over me interested in what I am doing.

[Heaton 1]

I haven't gone overboard. I've had to deal with this guy calling my posts stupid and a waste of bandwidth in like 6 threads for the past week. I would call it justified and not overboard. Especially when 99% of the time I refrain from using profanity and I typically will refrain from posting in duplicate threads other than to note that they are duplicates if mods do not appear to have noticed them and they have been around for a while. I do not come on these boards to receive personal attacks in every thread I post in over the fact that I posted something that another poster felt was erroneous because I posted it in another thread with the same topic.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go "spam" the 86 other topics dealing with what defenseman might be traded away with my opinion that Lilja is by far the most likely answer due to his age, salary, and performance.

Try reporting the messages then or sending PM's.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Where's my check?

[Doggy 130]

Try reporting the messages then or sending PM's.

He hasn't because there isn't anything to report. Surely, it is within the rules to point out when someone is wrong. Even if it is 90% of the time. Lol.

I apologise for being right eva. Now settle down boy.

[Guest Dump-N-Thump]

Ban them both, let them learn there lessons that way

[Doggy 130]

Ban them both, let them learn there lessons that way

Lol. Who are you?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Ban them both, let them learn there lessons that way

Do *you* of all people want to bark up that tree? I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

The mods are doing everything we can to make sure this site runs smoothly and efficiently.

[Guest Dump-N-Thump]

Do *you* of all people want to bark up that tree? I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

The mods are doing everything we can to make sure this site runs smoothly and efficiently.

So many thoughts have ran through my head since i clicked quote/reply. I'll just leave it alone.

Lol. Who are you?

like lol. does it matter?

[hallelujahlogic 1]

we should sign techno viking. make it happen, kenny.