Anaheim trade D Sean O'Donnell to L.A.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=251291&lid...=headlines_main

Well well. Anaheims great defence has become Niedermayer, Pronger Beauchemin and a bunch of plugs.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Wow. O'Donnell has been better in a Ducks jersey than he has been in a long time. He was great for the Ducks during their run. If the Ducks can't get Beauchemin going again, their depth is pretty sore.

For a team that made a name for themselves based on gritty defense, this is a pretty interesting move. And to think Marchant is still on the team. Hah.

[Zion 93]

Exactly right. O'Donnell was a popular King but a better Duck (god, that sounds ***). I can stop hating him now.

I'm still pissed that the ******* toolbag known as Keith Jones thinks the Quacks are going to win the West this year. Why is this idiot allowed on TV? It was nice that the other TV personalities called him out on that, but wow... send this guy down to the minors, already.

[russianswede919293 95]

You know what the best part is....

I'm pretty sure they STILL CANNOT fit Ryan in the cap figure... :banana:

[KrazyGangsta 79]

LMFAO what a gm Burke single handedly destroyed the ducks ... he was never the one to build it in the first place too halarious...

Niedermayer Pronger

Beauchemin Lilja

Lilja Lilja

They have great defense now

[Duck Guy 86]

Exactly right. O'Donnell was a popular King but a better Duck (god, that sounds ***). I can stop hating him now.

I'm still pissed that the ******* toolbag known as Keith Jones thinks the Quacks are going to win the West this year. Why is this idiot allowed on TV? It was nice that the other TV personalities called him out on that, but wow... send this guy down to the minors, already.

yes how dare someone choose a team other then the Detroit gods Red wings and whoever thinks the ducks will win the west should be SHOT ON SITE!!!...because we ALL know what Jones says goes who cares what people say.... U FAIL...

anyways.. I would of thought he would of left the rest of the D alone but ehh whatever

Edited October 1, 2008 by Duck Guy

[Zion 93]

Umm... what?

[MacK_Attack 108]

LMFAO what a gm Burke single handedly destroyed the ducks ... he was never the one to build it in the first place too halarious...

Burke brought the following members of the Ducks Stanley Cup team to Anaheim:

- Chris Pronger

- Scott Niedermayer

- Francois Beauchemin

- Chris Kunitz

- Teemu Selanne

- Todd Marchant

- Sean O'Donnell

- Brad May

- Travis Moen

- Joe DiPenta

- Kent Huskins

(among others)

That's 11 players right there, meaning at least half of their roster was acquired by Burke.

Four of their top-five scorers from the Stanley Cup season (Selanne, Niedermayer, Pronger, Kunitz) were brought in by Burke.

He didn't build it from the ground-up, but Brian Burke put that team over the top. To make it seem like he inherited a Stanley Cup champion isn't correct.

Hate the guy all you want, but you can't deny the quality of the players he brought to Anaheim. Their top defenceman prior to the Burke era was Keith Carney.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Burke brought the following members of the Ducks Stanley Cup team to Anaheim:

- Chris Pronger

- Scott Niedermayer

- Francois Beauchemin

- Chris Kunitz

- Teemu Selanne

- Todd Marchant

- Sean O'Donnell

- Brad May

- Travis Moen

- Joe DiPenta

- Kent Huskins

(among others)

That's 11 players right there, meaning at least half of their roster was acquired by Burke.

Four of their top-five scorers from the Stanley Cup season (Selanne, Niedermayer, Pronger, Kunitz) were brought in by Burke.

He didn't build it from the ground-up, but Brian Burke put that team over the top. To make it seem like he inherited a Stanley Cup champion isn't correct.

Hate the guy all you want, but you can't deny the quality of the players he brought to Anaheim. Their top defenceman prior to the Burke era was Keith Carney.

He did a great job building the team up. And did a horrible job of scaling the team down.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Burke built the Ducks on a one-year window. While that probably wasn't his intention (or maybe it was. The guy is as crazy they come), he went wild with signing bad players like Bertuzzi and Schneider... and for what? Just to stick it to the Wings even more? I'm sure that probably is the reason why he poached two of our players. He has always hated the Wings, back since his days in Vancouver (when he couldn't stop bitching about our overzealous spending and ability to "buy a Stanley Cup").

Honestly, he didn't even need to replace Niedermayer and Selanne; not right away anyways. They had enough depth to get buy without putting themselves in a world of hurt by signing two players way over their values. Besides that, at the time, both Niedermayer and Selanne had never officially retired either; they were waiting out the decision. If Burke wasn't such a lunatic and actually thought things through, he could have figured that "well, these guys might come back, so I probably should save some cap space for them".

Burke built a Stanley Cup team, but also destroyed it in the process. The man is totally incompetant, ranging from his horrible financial decisions, to his media tyraids with Kevin Lowe, among others, to his man love with Todd Bertuzzi. He isn't the hockey wizard everyone thinks he is.

Edited October 1, 2008 by Kp-Wings

[Duck Guy 86]

This thread only strengthens my opinion that the mods need to Pin a topic Labeled :: Ducks and Burke...

Edited October 1, 2008 by Duck Guy

[Drake_Marcus 890]

This thread only strengthens my opinion that the mods need to Pin a topic Labeled :: Ducks and Burke...

Only if you agree to moderate it like Holmstrom moderates a goalie's blood pressure....

Edited October 1, 2008 by Drake_Marcus

[eva unit zero 271]

Burke brought the following members of the Ducks Stanley Cup team to Anaheim:

- Chris Pronger

- Scott Niedermayer

- Francois Beauchemin

- Chris Kunitz

- Teemu Selanne

- Todd Marchant

- Sean O'Donnell

- Brad May

- Travis Moen

- Joe DiPenta

- Kent Huskins

(among others)

That's 11 players right there, meaning at least half of their roster was acquired by Burke.

Four of their top-five scorers from the Stanley Cup season (Selanne, Niedermayer, Pronger, Kunitz) were brought in by Burke.

He didn't build it from the ground-up, but Brian Burke put that team over the top. To make it seem like he inherited a Stanley Cup champion isn't correct.

Hate the guy all you want, but you can't deny the quality of the players he brought to Anaheim. Their top defenceman prior to the Burke era was Keith Carney.

Scott Niedermayer and Teemu Selanne had both already decided to play for Anaheim before Burke was hired. While he didn't do anything to screw that up, it's not like he had to go out and get them. Pronger was offered to him as a sweetheart deal by his then-friend Lowe after Pronger decided he wanted out of Edmonton and asked for a trade.

Beauchemin is overrated and has not proven he is better than a #4-#5 guy; the only time he has ever looked better than that is when he is on the ice with Scott Niedermayer as his partner.

Marchant's continued presence on the roster and Burke's refusal to remove him has been the cause, direct or indirect, or many of the questionable moves Burke has made. Had he waived Marchant last season, he doesn't have to trade McDonald. This season, if he had waived Marchant, he doesn't have to trade O'Donnell.

I wonder for what reason it is that he gives up cheaper players who mean more to the team in order to keep a fourth liner with a no-trade clause whose value to the team is minimal at best.

Burke did a solid job of establishing a team style, but he gave up more value in most of the trades he made than he got back. Without Murray's impressive foundation, there is no Cup for Anaheim; irrespective of Burke's moves. Murray's prospects and veterans, and the assets he had in place that Burke traded away at discount prices to get 'his kinda guys' are what made that Cup possible. If you compare that to the way Ken Holland has built his Cup teams, how many times has Holland traded away players for less than they were worth at the time? Burke has done it several times in his short tenure in Anaheim. Often after overpaying to acquire the player to begin with.

Andy McDonald/Doug Weight is a good example...he could have waived fourth-liner Todd Marchant to achieve the cap space he needed. Instead he trades his first line in-his-prime center, who has strong chemistry with his first line RW, for a past his prime playmaker who is a UFA at the end of the season and wasn't worth nearly what McDonald was in a trade. The Ducks end up losing valuable assets and becoming a worse team when they didn't need to. This while his team is struggling to find offense.

Burke is an OK GM, but he's not on that top tier with guys like Holland. He makes too many stupid mistakes like trading McDonald and O'Donnell for cap space while he keeps Marchant around to fill the fourth line center spot. With a $56.7m cap, the maximum average salary for a 23-man roster is about $2.5m. We'll assume that "Average" breaks after the sixth forward, fourth defenseman, and starting goalie...so anyone beneath those points should not make $2.5m or more. Fourth liners and 7th/8th defensemen should not be making more than $1m except in rare instances where they can really justify it; such as Kris Draper where he is still a very good defensive forward and top faceoff man, and the Wings are just that good that he plays the fourth center position. Todd Marchant making more than $2.5m to play the fourth line cannot be justified. That's top-six forward money.

[Opie 308]

So now they have no offense and half of a d, sorry Duck Guy this could be a tough year. Sometimes it sucks being a loyal fan, trust me I know. I am a Celtics fan and while they may have won a championship recently, I was a fan when they could barely win 20 games!

[edicius 3,269]

Exactly right. O'Donnell was a popular King but a better Duck (god, that sounds ***). I can stop hating him now.

I'm still pissed that the ******* toolbag known as Keith Jones thinks the Quacks are going to win the West this year. Why is this idiot allowed on TV? It was nice that the other TV personalities called him out on that, but wow... send this guy down to the minors, already.

Clement was gushing about the Ducks yesterday on XM too. Additionally, when the guys on Power Play asked him for his pick, he instantly spat out, "Not Detroit, not Detroit..."

You know what the best part is....

I'm pretty sure they STILL CANNOT fit Ryan in the cap figure... :banana:

According to NHLSCap.com, they're $235K over the cap.

Good show, Burke, good show.

Edited October 1, 2008 by edicius

[edicius 3,269]

Scott Niedermayer and Teemu Selanne had both already decided to play for Anaheim before Burke was hired. While he didn't do anything to screw that up, it's not like he had to go out and get them. Pronger was offered to him as a sweetheart deal by his then-friend Lowe after Pronger decided he wanted out of Edmonton and asked for a trade.

THIS. Burke didn't have to work any magic in these acquisitions. If Burke was able to acquire, say, Hossa like Holland did, then he'd be doing something right.

One of the few times I've agreed with eva, mark it on your calendar.

[toby91_ca 620]

THIS. Burke didn't have to work any magic in these acquisitions. If Burke was able to acquire, say, Hossa like Holland did, then he'd be doing something right.

One of the few times I've agreed with eva, mark it on your calendar.

I'm not sure Holland had to work any magic to acquire Hossa either. Magic will be enabling the team to keep him longer than 1 year.

[toby91_ca 620]

According to NHLSCap.com, they're $235K over the cap.

Good show, Burke, good show.

How the hell is Washington going to get under the cap?

[MacK_Attack 108]

How the hell is Washington going to get under the cap?

Nylander's on his way out, apparently. I heard to Chicago once Khabibulin is off their books.