Wings looking to trade Quincey

[HockeytownRules19 902]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...king_to_tr.html

No surprise there, hopefully u can get good value for him!

[The Mule 0]

Quincey feels like the odd man out, so I have no problem with this.

[Konnan511 1,736]

Kind of sucks, Quincey is the prototypical defensive defenseman that I was hoping would take over Lilja's spot when it came time to sever ties with him.

[rage 24]

I wonder if his source is Aki.....lol

[YoungGuns1340 1]

This is a no brainer on Holland's part. I was still pretty high on him before the pre-season started, but he has really looked out of place so far. The two games I've seen him in, he hasn't been overtly physical and his offensive skill ranks maybe a little higher than Downeys. He must have the weakest shot on the team and he hasn't done much of anything since the 07 playoffs.

Maybe we can get a 4th for him.

[Guest Crymson]

Veterans Darren McCarty and Aaron Downey, who provide a different dimension with their toughness and also are in the mix for a forward spot, must clear waivers to be assigned to Grand Rapids.

Is this true?

[Konnan511 1,736]

Is this true?

Must be if it's on the internet . Yes it's true, they've played too many games and are too old to be exempt from waivers, but there's a good chance, like last year no one will claim them since they are basically worthless when it comes to team needs....flame away lol

[finalfilppula 2]

what a shame. price of depth, i guess.

[Yellowknife Redwing 57]

what a shame. price of depth, i guess.

Agreed.

I suppose we could look at it this way: It's better to be able to deem a defenseman of his caliber expendable than to scramble to insert one in the lineup. The Wings are a very fortunate organization to be able to toss out a prospect with his abilities. All the best to KQ, hopefully he finds a home with one of our rivals.

[Aki 0]

Ha, I told you guys!

[Aussie_Wing 354]

I'll be honest, I'll be very disappointed if and when he is traded. I like the fact that he's only young and plays a physical game, I like the fact that he could develop into a pretty solid NHL defenceman. And despite the fact people have already written him off on the back of a few pre-season games, he's still only 23. He'll end up playing consistent minutes with another NHL team this season and that'll be painful to see. I wanted him to make it with the Wings.

Edited October 7, 2008 by Aussie_Wing

[b.shanafan14 733]

I was thinking about this yesterday, the whole "price of depth" thing mentioned above. You have many organizations who don't have a good system, don't draft well, don't develop well, and then you have the Red Wings, who have this incredible wealth of young homegrown talent that could easily play in the NHL right now on other teams, but will most likely never see regular ice with the Wings. Then we get this strange cycle of having to trade players we drafted and developed to make the roster and cap fit, and then we'll prolly get a late round pick that we'll again use to draft and develop a player that in all likelyhood will turn out good enough for everyone else, but not good enough for the Wings... wait i'm supposed to be doing something.... [/rant]

[VM1138 1,921]

I was thinking about this yesterday, the whole "price of depth" thing mentioned above. You have many organizations who don't have a good system, don't draft well, don't develop well, and then you have the Red Wings, who have this incredible wealth of young homegrown talent that could easily play in the NHL right now on other teams, but will most likely never see regular ice with the Wings. Then we get this strange cycle of having to trade players we drafted and developed to make the roster and cap fit, and then we'll prolly get a late round pick that we'll again use to draft and develop a player that in all likelyhood will turn out good enough for everyone else, but not good enough for the Wings... wait i'm supposed to be doing something.... [/rant]

Such is the price of excellence.

[Dawgs 0]

Not sure I understand. Downey and McCarty are on two way contracts. It doesnt make sense to be on a two way contract and have to clear waivers.

[LadyWildcat 4]

Not sure I understand. Downey and McCarty are on two way contracts. It doesnt make sense to be on a two way contract and have to clear waivers.

Two way contracts have nothing to do with waivers, they affect salary, if I've understood all the talk on these boards correctly.

[Heaton 1]

Not sure I understand. Downey and McCarty are on two way contracts. It doesnt make sense to be on a two way contract and have to clear waivers.

CBA Article 50.9(g)

(g) Minor League Compensation. Neither the salaries nor signing bonuses

paid to minor league Players shall be counted against a Club's Upper Limit or the Players'

Share. For a Player on a One-Way NHL Contract or a Two-Way Contract with a Minor

League Salary and compensation that could be earned in excess of the following

amounts:

2005-06: U.S. $75,000

2006-07: U.S. $95,000

2007-08: U.S. $100,000

2008-09: U.S. $100,000

2009-10: U.S. $105,000

2010-11: U.S. $105,000

2011-12: U.S. $105,000

the following rules shall apply:

(i) To the extent the Player does not require Waivers to be Loaned to

a minor league affiliate, he can be freely Loaned and Recalled; and

(ii) To the extent the Player does require Waivers to be Loaned to a

minor league affiliate, he cannot be Loaned or recalled without

first clearing regular Waivers, and then cannot be Recalled to the

NHL parent Club during the same League Year without also

clearing a new Re-Entry Waiver procedure, pursuant to which the

Player can be claimed by another NHL Club for fifty (50) percent

of the contract's remaining amounts to be paid, with the balance to

be paid by and charged to the waiving NHL Club (both amounts to

be counted against each Club's Upper Limit, Actual Club Salary

and Averaged Club Salary, and counted against the Players'

Share); and

(iii) For a Player on an AHL contract with a Minor League Salary and

compensation that could be earned in excess of the applicable

amount set forth above in this Section 50.9(g), who signs an NHL

SPC for the same season with the AHL team's NHL affiliated

Club, the Player must first clear the new Re-EntryWaiver

procedure, pursuant to which the Player can be claimed by another

unaffiliated NHL team for fifty (50) percent of the SPC's

remaining amounts to be paid, with the balance to be paid by and

charged to the original NHL affiliated Club signing the contract

(both amounts to be counted against each Club's Upper Limit,

Actual Club Salary, and Averaged Club Salary and counted against

the Players' Share).

The Re-Entry Waiver procedure will not, however, be applicable to

Veteran Minor League Players defined as follows: (i) for goaltenders, Players who

have: (A) played in 180 or more professional games in North America (NHL, AHL

and ECHL), and (B) not spent more than 80 NHL games on NHL roster over the

prior two (2) seasons or more than 40 NHL games on NHL roster in the

immediately prior season; and (ii) for defensemen and forwards, Players who have:

(A) played in 320 or more professional games in North America (NHL, AHL and

ECHL), and (B) not spent more than 80 NHL games on NHL roster over the prior

two (2) seasons or more than 40 NHL games on NHL roster in the immediately

prior season.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I'll be honest, I'll be very disappointed if and when he is traded. I like the fact that he's only young and plays a physical game, I like the fact that he could develop into a pretty solid NHL defenceman. And despite the fact people have already written him off on the back of a few pre-season games, he's still only 23. He'll end up playing consistent minutes with another NHL team this season and that'll be painful to see. I wanted him to make it with the Wings.

People are writing him off because of his play in EVERY game since the 07 playoffs. Not just based on preseason games. If he was read to play in the NHL he would look even half decent in preseason games vs half-AHL teams.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I was thinking about this yesterday, the whole "price of depth" thing mentioned above. You have many organizations who don't have a good system, don't draft well, don't develop well, and then you have the Red Wings, who have this incredible wealth of young homegrown talent that could easily play in the NHL right now on other teams, but will most likely never see regular ice with the Wings. Then we get this strange cycle of having to trade players we drafted and developed to make the roster and cap fit, and then we'll prolly get a late round pick that we'll again use to draft and develop a player that in all likelyhood will turn out good enough for everyone else, but not good enough for the Wings... wait i'm supposed to be doing something.... [/rant]

The majority of Wings players out there right now are homegrown talent. Only the very best will be good enough to play on the Wings. Just because a player could play on the Panthers doesn't mean it's a shame he didn't play here. Like others have said- it's the price of excellence.

[b.shanafan14 733]

The majority of Wings players out there right now are homegrown talent. Only the very best will be good enough to play on the Wings. Just because a player could play on the Panthers doesn't mean it's a shame he didn't play here. Like others have said- it's the price of excellence.

I know, I was more remarking on the fact that we have developed some good players for teams like the Panthers, Kings, name your bottom-feeder, that don't have a good enough system in place to draft and develop their own players. Basically, everyone gets the same draft pool, but the Wings know how to pick them and train them so well, that we take the cream of the crop and let the others grab roster spots in organizations elsewhere.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I'd rather have Lebda gone than him, but I guess Quincey is one too many tough players for the Wings to have on the roster.

Typical and unsurprising move here.

[2probert4 8]

I wonder if his source is Aki.....lol

HAHA.....it was on the mlive.com site this morning, Ansar Khan posted the article....I looked to see if Ansar gave props to Aki or not......I think Aki was used by Ansar

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

I'd rather have Lebda gone than him, but I guess Quincey is one too many tough players for the Wings to have on the roster.

Typical and unsurprising move here.

My thoughts exactly.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I'd rather have Lebda gone than him, but I guess Quincey is one too many tough players for the Wings to have on the roster.

Typical and unsurprising move here.

They've gotta keep room for a 46 year old with a busted knee.

[Heaton 1]

They've gotta keep room for a 46 year old with a busted knee.

My thoughts exactly. Keep the best defensemen, not the youngest. Quincey played himself to 10th on the depth chart, no room for #10 defensemen.

[Opie 308]

Anyone here remember last year when Holland and Co did a horrible job getting this team ready in the preseason, then the trade deadline came and went and he did nothing to help make this team better or get it ready for the post season, then the first round came and game five the Wings were all but dead in the water, getting ready to be owned by the Preds.

I forget how this story ends, can one of you remind me what happened, right because last year I heard all of these same arguments, and at the deadline some of you even said that if the Wings won it last year you wouldn't say these same tired, old things again this year.

Guess what, the wings won and it is the same drivel again, Wings need grit, Wings need toughness, they are acquiring or letting go of the wrong players, they are keeping a too old Cheli, BLAH ******* BLAH BLAH.

Man this is like Ground hog day only the Wings just won the cup.

I love how people on this board think they know so much more than Holland, Babcock, etc.. yet when the national media doesn't say Holland or Babcock are OMG!!!!!!11312171!!!! the Bestest ever half of this board s***s their collective pants, yet most of you on here don't have the faith and trust in the them.

Here is what we can say is a known for the Red Wings, they do the best they can to be a Stanley cup contender every year, not just make the playoffs. They ice the best team possible given the circumstances and the players at their disposal, they bring young players along at just the right time, Datsyuk and Zetterberg were with the big club immediately, Hudler and Flip not as quick but still quicker than say Meech and Quincey. They have an uncanny knack for the player everyone has passed on, Drake and Cleary for example.

Leave the personnel decisions to the people who not only have the job but have been proven very adept at making them, remember how long Hatcher was with this team, must have been salary cap, not that the Wings didn't think he was skilled enough in the right areas to make the team better, no no just s*** luck!

Do you really think they are in an office going:

"Well it would be nice to play an enforcer, the toughness we need, but nah lets be soft, that would be great, that would be something no one would expect!"

Edited October 7, 2008 by Opie