Guest E_S_A_D Report post Posted October 31, 2008 The Grind Line has been more like the Kind Line, because they aren't doing anything close to resembling grinding. McCarty is washed up, and Maltby has been non existant. There is a difference in allowing someone like Yzerman to decide when it's over, and someone like McCarty. I'm willing to add Chelios to that list as well, but even at age 45 he's more effective than Lebda / Lilja. They need to put Filppula on the line with Zetterberg also instead of Hudler. Terrific post. Agree 100%. Maltby is worthless these days, he doesn't even throw good checks anymore and he's never been a goal scorer. His best year was 2002 and he had 14 goals. Parros already has a few and he's a top 10 heavyweight. Bye Maltby, Bye Lebda, Bye McCarty and welcome Downey, and make this team good again. Lilja can quit acting tough too and leave. He's a joke, I loved when he was jawing with Ivanans the other night, oh that would've been a horrible site to witness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slave 31 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 All I've gotta' say is Lebda better not stop in Seattle for some Micky D's or something on his way to Vancouver cause I'll freakin Kobra Kai sweep the leg Johnny. For the love of God bring up Ericson. Make the call Kenny. STILL LMAO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RainingBlood 8 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Cut dead weight (I know... drastic and would never happen). Obviously this would involve ditching Sammy, Maltby, Kopecky, Mac, and Lebda which would never happen. But if I was GM this would be my ideal lineup. Hossa - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Franzen - Zetterberg - Cleary (when Franzenstein is back) Hudler - Filppula - Leino (Fippula will actually have players to pass to) Helm - Draper - Abdelkader (Abs actually hits... high energy line) Downey Lidstrom -Rafalski Stuart - Kronwall Lilja - Ericcson Meech with everyone bitching about an enforcer, that is a real ***** lineup you have there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nutz2u Report post Posted October 31, 2008 God damnit I wanted Quincy NOT Lebda! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
union drone 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 I cant handle it anymore. Please, for the love of God, dont make me watch one more shift with Lebda on the ice. I almost hope with malice intent that he gets open iced in Vancouver and cant play the rest of the season. Bench him, trade him, send him to GR, put him on waivers...something. Please no more. His +/- is terrible, his shot sucks, his mind for the game is horrible, and worst of all, the TURNOVERS. Oh my God if Ive got to stop typing or my head will explode. Please, someone, do something. He leaves guys wide open, he refuses to hit, he tries to join the rush and either goes offsides or ends up out of position. I have a hard time believing he would even be a force in Grand Rapids. Top reasons why the Wings of '08-'09 are not playing to the standards (thus far, at least) to the standards of the Wings '07-'08: 1) Although offensively ZDH = HDH, and defensively HDH is no slouch, ZDH > HDH in possession of the puck. We seem completely unable to play keep away this year, and it all flows from the style and rhythm of the top line. 2) The defense is a sieve. Some of this is mental mistakes, but I'd bet that at least part of this is related to #1. 3) Babcock, as good as he is, made very good use of Todd McLellan. Now that he is gone, there is a big hole to fill. 4) In times of trouble (when you neeed a helping hand... sorry!), there is no longer the sage advice of Mr. Bowman. 5) In a lot of games (excluding the game vs the Sharks) we play well early, get a lead, then get lazy and let the other team score, only to wake up when we realize that we're down with 5:00 left in the game. We can only go to that well so often. We need a 60 minute effort. 6) Last season, we always had a forward in a position on the ice to help the defense. At times it was like having 3 defensemen. Also, if a D-man was caught, there would still be two men back, instead of giving up a 2-on-1 or a 3-on-1, it would be at worst a 3-on-2. 7) Two words: Chris Chelios What's to keep Cheli from... Seriously though, Lebda was at least average when playing with Cheli. Now, what is he doing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LEBDA22 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 I agree that Lebda has been bad, but so has the whole team. If you are going to call someone out it might as well be the whole team. I think the problem lies behind the bench, not on the ice. And its not Babcock! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
union drone 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 (edited) I agree that Lebda has been bad, but so has the whole team. If you are going to call someone out it might as well be the whole team. I think the problem lies behind the bench, not on the ice. And its not Babcock! Babcock is the guy with his finger on the trigger behind the bench. If there is a problem behind the bench that is not him, it is still his problem. Edit: Engrish Edited October 31, 2008 by union drone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mors 201 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Lebda looks like a joke out there...-9 now in 11 games. As stated in the other threads about this, it's bad when Lilja looks solid in comparison. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Terrific post. Agree 100%. Maltby is worthless these days, he doesn't even throw good checks anymore and he's never been a goal scorer. His best year was 2002 and he had 14 goals. Parros already has a few and he's a top 10 heavyweight. Bye Maltby, Bye Lebda, Bye McCarty and welcome Downey, and make this team good again. Lilja can quit acting tough too and leave. He's a joke, I loved when he was jawing with Ivanans the other night, oh that would've been a horrible site to witness. Not necessarily. Ivanans is a good fighter of his own, so he could have hung in with Lilja for a while, as long as he didn't try to open up with "PAIN TRAIN". Believe me, Ivanans can handle himself in fight, too, so he's not some ***** like you suggested in your post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrossoverThrash 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Lebda sucks, although Lilja did have a brutal giveaway last night, he did improve a ton from last year. Lebda seems to have digressed from his already low 6/7 dman status, he needs to leave, see if meech is better than him or bring up a prospect, and just send lebda down for the rest of the season and maybe light a fire under his ass cause he needs it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrossoverThrash 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 (edited) I agree that Lebda has been bad, but so has the whole team. If you are going to call someone out it might as well be the whole team. I think the problem lies behind the bench, not on the ice. And its not Babcock! Kronwall has been playing awesome, Lilja better than he was last year which still isn't great but at least he's making a decent effort, Rafalski and Lids are a little below average, Stuart has been pretty weak but at least hes had some big hits, Lebda has just flat out sucked and had 0 big hits, no points, no nothing, just a buncha giveaways and goals given up Hank has been amazing, hossa, datsyuk, homer, franzen, filpula, draper have all been solid. Samuelsson has put up some points despite his low iq. Kopecky has had 2 killer hits. Maltby and Dmac have been nonexistent. The goalies have been decent. Cleary is injured i believe, hudler hasbeen sub par. Our record kicks ass, I think the 9 goals lebda has been on the ice for has a lot to do with us giving up too many goals. Edited October 31, 2008 by CrossoverThrash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 I agree, he's to small and does NOTHING ! HE SUCKS ! Meech is small but actually knows when to jump in a play and how to ******* shoot a puck. 2 years ago Hollands mistake was giving up Mathias for brokebackbert, this year it's keeping Lebda over Quincey. Either way it's his cross to bear for putting such a great product out on the ice to the point where we ***** if we see anything less. Lilja has played at least as good as our 3/4 defensive men. I think if Kopecky is anything like a Maltby prodigy he may do good with Downey in the line up, knowing someone has his back; remember the last few years people have taken so many uncalled for cheap shots on him. Plus he has looked good in the last 2 games, I'm not ready to give up on Kopecky yet. Anyone else on the 4th line and even Hudler on the 3rd and Sammy on the 2nd are all expendable in my eyes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antilles328 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Looking at the box score... Lebda -2 McCarty -1 Draper -1 Maltby -1 Hmmmmmm..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Looking at the box score... Lebda -2 McCarty -1 Draper -1 Maltby -1 Hmmmmmm..... what are you trying to get at? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Lebda is now -9 WTF Schneider still has him beat at -10... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Lebda has to go there are better options to pair with Lilja. Maltby and McCarty have outlived thier usefulness as well. The biggest problem though is this team still isnt skating, they are watching. Zero forecheck cant break out of our own zone. When we finally do get the puck in our zone nobody is moving thier feet. The forwards just kinda stand there waiting for the turnover to happen. Well the turnover is happening because the forwards arent moving thier feet. They arent creating passing lanes with thier speed. The D holds the puck waiting to find someone thats open and then turn it over because they need to make a tough pass. Lidstrom, the captain, was brutal last night. SJ first goal was his fault. Why is Zetterberg defending behind our net? Finally Lidstrom comes back there whiffs on a weak poke check and bang goal SJ. Im very displeased with this team. They are too satisfied with themselves. They are outworked shift after shift, game after game. If our talent level and depth wasnt so much higher than everyone elses the Wings could easily be staring at 1 or 2 wins in these first 11 games. Absolutely brutal. A little bit of an exaggeration there. 1 or 2 wins WTF. You mean we won 5 or 6 games just by showing up. Give me a break. We are 7-2-2 we certainly are doing something right. #2 on the power play and #1 in GFA. The glass is half full, not completely empty.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Terrific post. Agree 100%. Maltby is worthless these days, he doesn't even throw good checks anymore and he's never been a goal scorer. His best year was 2002 and he had 14 goals. Parros already has a few and he's a top 10 heavyweight. Bye Maltby, Bye Lebda, Bye McCarty and welcome Downey, and make this team good again. Lilja can quit acting tough too and leave. He's a joke, I loved when he was jawing with Ivanans the other night, oh that would've been a horrible site to witness. Downey is our savior? What kind of crack are you smoking. Helm and Leino maybe but Downey. The guy can barely skate and never scores.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Downey is our savior? What kind of crack are you smoking. Helm and Leino maybe but Downey. The guy can barely skate and never scores.... We haven't had problems scoring, it's our defense, but mostly our lack of energy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loo22 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Lebda must stay. Stop s*** talkin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LEBDA22 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Someone needs to light a fire under the D's ass. They all look a little lost out there. They will all come around. Maybe they are still getting used to the new coach. Something is not right with all of them. Only 10 games into the season though, so I don't think it's time to hit the panic button, or call for anyone to be traded. Bench some of them and put in someone who is hungry for a few games. Don't think that will hurt the team this early in the season. Make them all get the fire back, cuz it seems to me that a lot of the team is lacking it. Just my 2 cents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Ive never liked Lebda, and never will. The man pinches almost everytime I see him out there and it gets me pissed as f**k when he does so considering nothing ever develops. To single out one guy isn't entirely fair because all defensemen have been struggling, but Lebda in my eyes has proven to always be the weakest link out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 This is one player rant thread I completely agree with. Lebda is absolutely the worst player on the team by far. He provides nothing to the Red Wings, unless we are counting turnovers and poor defensive coverage as something. There is no way in my mind that Derek Meech could possibly be any worse than Lebda. Give Meech a chance - Lebda isn't cutting it by any stretch now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
union drone 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 This is one player rant thread I completely agree with. Lebda is absolutely the worst player on the team by far. He provides nothing to the Red Wings, unless we are counting turnovers and poor defensive coverage as something. There is no way in my mind that Derek Meech could possibly be any worse than Lebda. Give Meech a chance - Lebda isn't cutting it by any stretch now. Allll we are saaaaaying... is give Meeeech a chaaaance. :hippie: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 A little bit of an exaggeration there. 1 or 2 wins WTF. You mean we won 5 or 6 games just by showing up. Give me a break. We are 7-2-2 we certainly are doing something right. #2 on the power play and #1 in GFA. The glass is half full, not completely empty.... If its half full, then its also half empty. And the Wings are #2 in GFA....and #25 in GAA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted October 31, 2008 Lebda must stay. Stop s*** talkin. Just out of my own curiosity, why exactly should Lebda keep playing? I don't think it's "s*** talkin" if it's true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
