Heaton 1 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2008/11/li...imself_out.html "I think I can play better," Lidstrom said. "I think I can be better for 60 minutes. Looking at the team, that's something the team hasn't done either, so you have to look at the individuals that haven't played well for 60 minutes." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 Well, someone on here had a post of who can wake the team up. Nick might have just done that. He is usually stellar, and if he feels he needs to work that much harder, hopefully, it will rub off on the rest of the guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 Well I'm not surprised- Nick's been less than perfect and for him that's just not normal. But what we do know is that he's a damn hard worker and he will get back up to snuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 Good. I'm glad to see Lidstrom recognizes both he and the team haven't quite been up to par, so maybe his influence will light a fire under the team's ass. Here's to hoping we get on track. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 Hmm...reminds me of Yzerman's "I need to do better" fabled playoff speech... Good to hear it from the captain. I think everyones noticed how off his game has been. Last night was possibly one of the worst nights of his career, not statistically but in terms of his individual efforts and performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 (edited) Good deal... at least someone won't get flamed for naming him! he looked the worst i have seen him in recent years live last night. Edited November 13, 2008 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 The Wings (9-2-3) have won only one of four games against some of the NHL's supposedly elite teams (N.Y. Rangers, San Jose, Anaheim, Pittsburgh), they've won only six of nine games when leading after two periods, are minus-four in even-strength scoring and they continue to take penalties in bunches. And that lone win came in OT after blowing a lead. That says WONDERS about our "real" record. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 Good move, but -- and maybe this is just a semantics issue -- he seems to be sending a bit of a mixed message. "The team hasn't" Vs. "individuals that haven't." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 trade him for jeff finger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RWK23 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 He's doing what a good captain would do. Put the pressure on himself and hope that the team responds to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auxlepli 17 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 OMG Lidstrom is panicking! This does not bode well for the Wings. I mean it's only November! He should just relax and let things work out their own. He shouldn't be so critical. Compared to the Leafs, Thrashers and Stars the Wings' defense is exceptional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 Hmm...reminds me of Yzerman's "I need to do better" fabled playoff speech... Not unless Lidstrom yelled and screamed and said for them to get off their asses. I love that story.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 Not unless Lidstrom yelled and screamed and said for them to get off their asses. I love that story.... Wasn't the story that he didn't yell and scream? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 The Stevie speech? Pretty sure he just came in settled the guys down, and said how it starts with him needing to be better. I'll have to break out the championship DVD to be sure of that. As far as Nick is concerned, good on him. Hopefully some of the other stars look at this, and pick up their play too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
06TJSport 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 Good move, but -- and maybe this is just a semantics issue -- he seems to be sending a bit of a mixed message. "The team hasn't" Vs. "individuals that haven't." He said since the team hasn't you need to look at which individuals haven't, not a mixed message. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted November 13, 2008 And that lone win came in OT after blowing a lead. That says WONDERS about our "real" record. Well, we got robbed in Anaheim, and we came pretty close against Pittsburgh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 I was looking to Lidstrom to do this. I hope this isn't just an idle comment. This is the first time as the captain that the pressure is really on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 He said since the team hasn't you need to look at which individuals haven't, not a mixed message. My point was this: in stating that the team hasn't been playing 60-minute games, and then saying/implying that certain individuals need to step up and play 60-minute games, he's sending a mixed message (at least in this public statement). Is this a team-wide problem, or is this about getting specific individuals (and, by extension, not others) to improve? Personally, I don't really care what Nick says or means as long as the problems get ironed out. We can all probably agree on that. I just think it's a slightly odd way to sum up the situation because it leaves the door open for speculation about individuals not fitting into the whole... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casey 145 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 My point was this: in stating that the team hasn't been playing 60-minute games, and then saying/implying that certain individuals need to step up and play 60-minute games, he's sending a mixed message (at least in this public statement). Is this a team-wide problem, or is this about getting specific individuals (and, by extension, not others) to improve? Personally, I don't really care what Nick says or means as long as the problems get ironed out. We can all probably agree on that. I just think it's a slightly odd way to sum up the situation because it leaves the door open for speculation about individuals not fitting into the whole... I don't see it that way. Get all the parts playing the game well, and the team will. Maybe he was trying to say that each has to approach in his own way- his is defensive play, someone like Lilja on clearing the zone, things like that. Saying the team needs to play better implies that there is one problem, not many. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 I'm sure he's referring to one problem. I've just sat through -- and in some cases, given -- a lot of these kinds of "Let's get our s*** together" locker room talks, and I've learned it's always good to be very clear on what it is you, the speech-giver and leader, perceive as the problem. Because stuff can fester, and you know where that can lead. The Wings are professional, though, and I don't expect anything like that happen. Not at all. Again, I just found his phrasing a little odd, that's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Danny 155 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 (edited) Not a mixed message at all. For the team to succeed, each individual must be achieving. By calling them all out, not as a group, but as individual players, he's made a clear statement that everyone in the lockeroom is accountable and needs to get their s*** straight. It would be bad form to call out anyone by name, obviously (either as over or under achieving relative to the group). This puts pressure not only on each player to start bringing their A-Game head, but to lean on the guy next to him to do the same. They are accountable not only as individuals, or as a team, but to one another as teammates. Management 101. EDIT: clarity Edited November 13, 2008 by Uncle Danny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 OMG Lidstrom is panicking! This does not bode well for the Wings. I mean it's only November! He should just relax and let things work out their own. He shouldn't be so critical. Compared to the Leafs, Thrashers and Stars the Wings' defense is exceptional. What are you smoking on? Saying he can play better does not indicate that he's panicking for one minute. Its obvious he can play better and he's stating that. If you've seen any of the games this year you should think that something is not right wit him. He can play way better and so can the team in general. Never ever under any circumstance compare our d-corps to the ones you mentioned. Lidstrom has more defensive talent in his left foot than those teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 Wasn't the story that he didn't yell and scream? Not according to McCarty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoalieManPat 1,007 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 Lids has been anything but his Norris self. How hes been playing wouldnt even get him nominated. Im not worried though. You know he will pick it up. Its just whether everyone else on the blueline follows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted November 13, 2008 Wasn't the story that he didn't yell and scream? Correct...that was Mac's "version" of the story. Really what supposedly happened was that Stevie called himself out and said he needed to get better and then he said he would. Then he said they all needed to get better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
