11/14 GDT: Red Wings 3, Florida Panthers 2

[dallas27 7]

How many goals does Franzen have in the last 40 or so games?

I understand Flip and Hudler but Franzen is playing out of his mind, even with an injury.

Franzen has had his goals presented to him like a new york strip. Hossa sucks at backchecking though, so yea, he is def. not worth it at all. He is lazy and he sucks. Mule > Hossa, I give. What in the sam f'ing hell does Hossa have to do for everyone at lgw to convince them?

[Doc Holiday 0]

Also, on a completely unrelated note, it appears Semin left the Caps game tonight in the second period with an undisclosed injury.

Too bad. It may not be serious, but the kid was having a hell of a year.

I am sure Pens fans are dancing in the street after hearing that.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Franzen has had his goals presented to him like a new york strip. Hossa sucks at backchecking though, so yea, he is def. not worth it at all. He is lazy and he sucks. Mule > Hossa, I give. What in the sam f'ing hell does Hossa have to do for everyone at lgw to convince them?

God your Hossa bias is unbelievable. I didn't say Hossa shouldn't stay, I said we shouldn't be so quick to get rid of Franzen.

[CrossoverThrash 0]

Franzen has had his goals presented to him like a new york strip. Hossa sucks at backchecking though, so yea, he is def. not worth it at all. He is lazy and he sucks. Mule > Hossa, I give. What in the sam f'ing hell does Hossa have to do for everyone at lgw to convince them?

Franzen has more GWGs and has played less games, no discredit to Hossa, maybe Franzen and Z will fit but not Hossa and Z at the end of the year, its all about how much they are willing to sacrifice money-wise.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

The Panthers have got to be the most boring team in the NHL.

But hell yes to winning! GO WINGS!

[The Mule 0]

Franzen has had his goals presented to him like a new york strip. Hossa sucks at backchecking though, so yea, he is def. not worth it at all. He is lazy and he sucks. Mule > Hossa, I give. What in the sam f'ing hell does Hossa have to do for everyone at lgw to convince them?

What are you even talking about? From what I've seen, the majority of us LGWers are head-over-heels in love with Hossa right now. When you learn to read and comprehend simple English without exercising your blatant bias and blowing simple discussions incredibly far out of proportion, you may realize that we would all love to keep Hossa around for as long as possible, but not many of us think it is worth it to have to sacrifice Franzen+ (who will come cheaper), and has been just as productive as Marian when healthy.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Franzen has had his goals presented to him like a new york strip. Hossa sucks at backchecking though, so yea, he is def. not worth it at all. He is lazy and he sucks. Mule > Hossa, I give. What in the sam f'ing hell does Hossa have to do for everyone at lgw to convince them?

I agree with you on almost every point you have made about Hossa, but who are you trying to sway with your argument? It's almost like you are asking for a debate that's not really there. I would say just about everyone here knows Hossa is special. You don't have to harp on it every post.

Edited November 15, 2008 by GoWings1905

[dallas27 7]

God your Hossa bias is unbelievable. I didn't say Hossa shouldn't stay, I said we shouldn't be so quick to get rid of Franzen.

(Hossa has had more goals then Mule in the past 40 games btw)

It is, for good reason. I don't have my homer Red Wings visors on. Again, I don't know what Hossa has to do, other than his projected 115 point season (which in all reality is a damn near good possibilty) to convince people here that he Kenny Holland should lock him up.

[dallas27 7]

What are you even talking about? From what I've seen, the majority of us LGWers are head-over-heels in love with Hossa right now. When you learn to read and comprehend simple English without exercising your blatant bias and blowing simple discussions incredibly far out of proportion, you may realize that we would all love to keep Hossa around for as long as possible, but not many of us think it is worth it to have to sacrifice Franzen+ (who will come cheaper), and has been just as productive as Marian when healthy.

My point is, game in and game out, Hossa proves that he is worth letting Mule (who is the SAME AGE as Hossa) walk and dumping Flip and Hudler in order to keep Hossa. It may or may not be that simple. Salary wise it is.

[Doc Holiday 0]

(Hossa has had more goals then Mule in the past 40 games btw)

It is, for good reason. I don't have my homer Red Wings visors on. Again, I don't know what Hossa has to do, other than his projected 115 point season (which in all reality is a damn near good possibilty) to convince people here that he Kenny Holland should lock him up.

And if Zetterberg and Datsyuk get 90-100 point seasons? It is all based on how much he wants, how well he does, how everyone else does, and the salary cap. Saying we should lock him up no matter what is dumb and premature. If Hossa asks for a huge amount there is no way I'm willing to try and take him when there are plenty of people who can score and fill our roster with the same amount of cash.

Like I said before, settle down and realize everyone here wants to lock up Hossa.

[dallas27 7]

And if Zetterberg and Datsyuk get 90-100 point seasons? It is all based on how much he wants, how well he does, how everyone else does, and the salary cap. Saying we should lock him up no matter what is dumb and premature. If Hossa asks for a huge amount there is no way I'm willing to try and take him when there are plenty of people who can score and fill our roster with the same amount of cash.

Like I said before, settle down and realize everyone here wants to lock up Hossa.

A) Your Datysuk agrument is useless because he is already locked up, unless you are trying to prove some other point. Which you aren't, because if Datysuk gets just as many points as Hossa he [Hossa] shouldn't ask for much more. Which would be a steal.

B) You're right, trying to lock up arguably the best player on the ice right now is dumb and premature. You win. It's not like Hossa has already deferred more amounts of money to play for the Wings...

[The Mule 0]

My point is, game in and game out, Hossa proves that he is worth letting Mule (who is the SAME AGE as Hossa) walk and dumping Flip and Hudler in order to keep Hossa. It may or may not be that simple. Salary wise it is.

Great, but my point is, why dump one proven goal scorer in Franzen walk, as well as two potential point producers, in order to keep one proven goal scorer? Hossa is an all-star, we all know that, but there are 12 forward spots available on a team's roster, and the more of those you fill with skilled weapons, the better chance you have of winning. Not to compare us to bottom-feeders, but there's a reason teams like Atlanta have little to no success; they hold on to their offensive weapons like Kovalchuck and Kozlov, but their team rarely prevails due to the lack of depth and lack of spread out scoring. If I'm Holland, I realize that we have players in our system (Leino and Abdelkader) who have the potential to be big names in the NHL someday, and I let Hossa walk, assuming he asks for a contract that we simply cannot afford without giving up all three of the names you mentioned. Not to mention, I'd take three 15 goal producers over one 45 goal scorer any day of the week.

Edited November 15, 2008 by The Mule

[Doc Holiday 0]

A) Your Datysuk agrument is useless because he is already locked up, unless you are trying to prove some other point. Which you aren't, because if Datysuk gets just as many points as Hossa he [Hossa] shouldn't ask for much more. Which would be a steal.

B) You're right, trying to lock up arguably the best player on the ice right now is dumb and premature. You win. It's not like Hossa has already deferred more amounts of money to play for the Wings...

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

Great win tonight. I missed alot of the second period cause I had to go out but saw the first and third periods and from what I saw we more than deserved this win. Hossa was awsome as usual, we gotta find a way to keep this guy in a Wings uniform next season.

[The Mule 0]

A) Your Datysuk agrument is useless because he is already locked up, unless you are trying to prove some other point. Which you aren't, because if Datysuk gets just as many points as Hossa he [Hossa] shouldn't ask for much more. Which would be a steal.

B) You're right, trying to lock up arguably the best player on the ice right now is dumb and premature. You win. It's not like Hossa has already deferred more amounts of money to play for the Wings...

Get real. Considering we're paying Hossa 7.5 right now, which is considering a bargain of a contract, does any part of you really think he will sign here long term for the same money Datsyuk is making? Not only would Hossa have to take less than he is making right now, but he'd have to once again turn down massive offers from other teams around the league. Plus, even if Hossa sticks around for 7.5 million per, couple that with Zetterberg's oncoming pay raise, and we simply cannot afford to keep Marian around without giving up half of our future.

[The Mule 0]

Great win tonight. I missed alot of the second period cause I had to go out but saw the first and third periods and from what I saw we more than deserved this win. Hossa was awsome as usual, we gotta find a way to keep this guy in a Wings uniform next season.

We were the better team overall, but let it be known that we were dreadful in the second.

[MaynardJKeenan 1]

Just got back from the game. Very nice win. Wow, the Panthers arena is REALLY nice. I've been to Tampa and Nashville as well, not even on the same level as this place. As far as the games I went to last night and tonight, the boys out skill but don't out will the other teams. If we played as hard as the Lightning and Panthers, we'd be unstopable. Great games though, nice to get the Florida sweep.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Great, but my point is, why dump one proven goal scorer in Franzen walk, as well as two potential point producers, in order to keep one proven goal scorer? Hossa is an all-star, we all know that, but there are 12 forward spots available on a team's roster, and the more of those you fill with skilled weapons, the better chance you have of winning. Not to compare us to bottom-feeders, but there's a reason teams like Atlanta have little to no success; they hold on to their offensive weapons like Kovalchuck and Kozlov, but their team rarely prevails due to the lack of depth and lack of spread out scoring. If I'm Holland, I realize that we have players in our system (Leino and Abdelkader) who have the potential to be big names in the NHL someday, and I let Hossa walk, assuming he asks for a contract that we simply cannot afford without giving up all three of the names you mentioned. Not to mention, I'd take three 15 goal producers over one 45 goal scorer any day of the week.

Thats pretty much how I feel. As I've said before, its not the difference between Franzen at, say, 4.5M per (although at the rate hes going it could be higher than that) and Hossa at 8M per. Its the difference between Franzen + 3.5M extra in cap space to spread around and Hossa.

[VM1138 1,921]

The only possibility we have of keeping Hossa is if he stays at the exact same price. He won't take a cut, so the best we can hope for is a repeat of his current contract.

[The Mule 0]

The only possibility we have of keeping Hossa is if he stays at the exact same price. He won't take a cut, so the best we can hope for is a repeat of his current contract.

Regardless, we can't afford to continue paying Hossa 7.5 after we factor in a pay raise for both Zetterberg and Franzen.

[Yzermania 156]

The only possibility we have of keeping Hossa is if he stays at the exact same price. He won't take a cut, so the best we can hope for is a repeat of his current contract.

how would that work if z and franzen are going to be making more next year? The cap has to go up significantly for it to happen, quite unfortunately.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

We were the better team overall, but let it be known that we were dreadful in the second.

So glad that I picked the perfect time to make the ice cream run then.

[Reilly 24]

Do we have a youtube of that Hudler intermission segment?

[Yak19 303]

listened to the game on the radio at work, when Franzen got that go ahead goal in the 3rd i knew we wouldn't blow another lead

[j.hoop 64]

this game wasnt as bad defensively, its just that everyone is gunning for us, the coach said it himself. we are slowly getting on track, we just need more passion. hossa sure has an eye for those scoring lanes!! that first one was crazy!