1/8 GDT: Stars, 1 at Red Wings, 6

[skacore 2]

If Downie or McCarty were on the ice, i bet Ott's response wouldve been *significantly* less exhuberant. The guy answered with his stick. thats gutless, no matter how you look at it. It wasnt in the heat of the moment, it wasn't part of the gameplay. Ott deserves at least a game for that.

Its almost silly how the league pushes suspensions, but hardly doles out misconducts during games these days.

But they weren't on the ice, or the bench, so who is going to stop Ott? And he deserves a suspension? Please, he deserves 2 minutes for what we call "cross checking".

[Yzerman191 37]

I personally think it's admirable how the 'Wings play their game. They generally play a clean game (a minor penalty here or there), and when the other team starts to goon it up and take penalties they score on their powerplay opportunities. We don't have an enforcer because we don't need one with the style of hockey we play. Datsyuk, Hossa, Zetterberg, and Franzen are all big guys who can take the occasional face-wash or cross-check. I bet Ott gets hell from Tippett for personally sucking the breath out of his team when they started getting some momentum back.

Just for clarification, that doesn't mean I wouldn't love to see an enforcer take the place of a guy like Kopecky who doesn't add much. It'd be a bonus, but I don't view it as a necessity.

[Kira 451]

Great game tonight. We had three Dallas fans sitting in front of us, so we kinda laid it on a little thicker...booing Turco (chicken s*** for leaving in the third - you're just no fun, Marty), loudly booing Ott (my dog has more cojones than that jerk, and he's been neutered), and just having a high old time.

It's funny...I go to the Sharks game and we score six. Go to the Kings game, we score six. When it got to 5-1, I turned to my hubby and said, "Something is wrong, we need another one." Sure enough, not long after I said that, the Wings scored goal number six. Coincidence???? Also, my hubby said, "We need a short-handed goal." Well, it was kinda short - the 4 on 3 when Pasha scored. I had just talked to puckloo on the phone before that and she asked what was going on with him being so quiet. I told her to be patient - he had a trick or two up his sleeve. And what happens? He scores.

Maybe the theory that we should go to every game might have some merit to it after all.

[Wings_Rule_1010 4]

I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but in case it hasn't been...

Poor Marty: Turco Mic'ed Up

That is hysterical. I think I woke my roommate up laughing.

[Opie 308]

Fighting isn't allowed in football.

Fighting isn't allowed in basketball.

Fighting isn't allowed in baseball.

Ok, who said anything about fighting in the first place? Kronwall threw a big hit on Ribeiro in the 3rd period of a blowout game, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. But, being a blowout game, I also have no problem with Ott crosschecking Kronwall and letting him know that won't be tolerated. The game was over at that point.

Get over what? I'm agreeing with both actions, the hit was fine, just accept the retaliation as well.

You need to get over "it". THAT is hockey.

EDIT: I reread your post and realized I misread it, sorry to argue with you when you weren't disagreeing with me! Ignore the rest but I won't delete it like it never happened.

MY BAD!

NO!!!

Short answer:

1. 3 goals is not a blowout in the NEW NHL, it was 4-1 with 19 minutes left at the time of the hit.

2. Kronwall should take that hit everyday of the week twice on Sunday, and 4 times IF it were a blow out.

3. Ribiero skated into the zone watching his pass, ask Paul Kariya how that worked for him, I'm dead, wait I'm alive!

Long answer:

What Ott should have done was walk over to Ribiero, slap him across the face, ask him if he is awake yet, and then promptly, while yelling ask him:

What in the F**k are you doing skating over the blue line and watching your pass for!!!!!

It is not like Kronwall went out of his way to hit the guy, Ribiero nonchalantly skates into the zone, these guys are being taught no lead is safe in the new NHL, the wings have lost 4 goal leads let alone what at the time was a 3 goal lead. In the NEW NHL that is hardly a blow out and a lead like that can be overcome easily in a period, just look at the Pens OT game with the Wings.

Ribiero's fault for watching his pass, Kronwall should 100% of the time take that hit in that scenario, Ott should be upset at his own guy not 55.

Edited January 9, 2009 by Opie

[ManLuv4Clears 7]

I can't believe people on this board are actually getting on Ott's case for sticking up for a teammate.

I'll preface with I hate the guy, but he was just doing his job in a game that they pretty obviously weren't going

to come back and win. He was frustrated and upset with a hit and went after Kronner knowing full well we have no one

in the lineup that can stand up to him. I'd love to see the reactions on the board if it was the other

side of the fence and someone from the Wings got smoked in a blowout game. I bet people would be calling for blood.

This is hockey people, it's a sport for warriors, quit acting like it's ice dancing.

[wingfan1991 221]

just feel i gotta say this about last night's game..

ZETTERBERG ******* RULES!!!! he was all over the ice!

[mtuhockey7 23]

I had soooo much fun last night at the game. I'll post pics a little later this afternoon when I get back up north but let's just say I got a nice little surprise from the 2nd star of last night's game, Kronner gave me his stick after he did his curtain call for being 2nd star!! Not even joking. I was hanging out down by the tunnel and after he did his little spin, handed it up to me!!! I'm soooo pumped!! Awesome game by the Wings, better yet to witness it live!!

And Turco still sucks!

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I think the Wings' must've made a new years resolution to play 60 minutes of hockey.

Not to say there won't be hiccups along the way, but this has been the first stretch of games where I think they looked as solid as they did last season. Puck control, few if any defensive lapses, not allowing opponents free reign in front of the net.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

I think the Wings' must've made a new years resolution to play 60 minutes of hockey.

Not to say there won't be hiccups along the way, but this has been the first stretch of games where I think they looked as solid as they did last season. Puck control, few if any defensive lapses, not allowing opponents free reign in front of the net.

Finally

[Doc Holiday 0]

I can't believe people on this board are actually getting on Ott's case for sticking up for a teammate.

I'll preface with I hate the guy, but he was just doing his job in a game that they pretty obviously weren't going

to come back and win. He was frustrated and upset with a hit and went after Kronner knowing full well we have no one

in the lineup that can stand up to him. I'd love to see the reactions on the board if it was the other

side of the fence and someone from the Wings got smoked in a blowout game. I bet people would be calling for blood.

This is hockey people, it's a sport for warriors, quit acting like it's ice dancing.

Yeah I'm sure the board would want someone's head after a clean open ice hit...

Give me a break. Should we start fights for the other player winning a faceoff? Or making a poke check? Or scoring a goal?

This whole "it is ok to throw a hissy fit over a LEGAL body check and fight a guy for it" is ridiculous.

[TheCaptain19 49]

ozzies back.

[ManLuv4Clears 7]

Yeah I'm sure the board would want someone's head after a clean open ice hit...

Apparently you weren't around the boards to read the thread about Laperriere's hit on Lidstrom. With your logic, Downey going after Laperriere

is wrong because the hit was clean. Okay, good luck getting anyone to agree with you on that one. Most in that thread came to the consensus that the hit was clean, but unnecessary, hence supporting Downey for getting involved.

Give me a break. Should we start fights for the other player winning a faceoff? Or making a poke check? Or scoring a goal?

Now you're using the same far fetched examples as in one of your previous posts. You're comparing apples to oranges,basic plays versus putting a player in a position where he could get injured. I would want Kronner to take that hit 10 out of 10 times mind you, but you can't blame a team the Wings have owned for so long for getting frustrated in another losing effort.

This whole "it is ok to throw a hissy fit over a LEGAL body check and fight a guy for it" is ridiculous.

I'm trying to decipher where I stated that a fight should have happened. I believe most of us agree that it was okay for him to voice his displeasure about the hit due to the circumstances and the fact that the Wings have no one on the team that can stop Ott from doing so. Also I don't know how many other teams you watch, but what Ott did happens on a nightly basis across the league without there always being a fight. Clean or not, it's called sticking up for a teammate, and if you haven't noticed, these sort of things lead to camaraderie.

Edited January 9, 2009 by ManLuv4Clears

[Doc Holiday 0]

Apparently you weren't around the boards to read the thread about Laperriere's hit on Lidstrom. With your logic, Downey going after Laperriere

is wrong because the hit was clean. Okay, good luck getting anyone to agree with you on that one. Most in that thread came to the consensus that the hit was clean, but unnecessary, hence supporting Downey for getting involved.

It looks like he took a run at Lidstrom, and Lidstrom was injured on the play. Lidstrom hadn't even touched the puck when he went for the hit.

Like you will say later on, apples and oranges.

Now you're using the same far fetched examples as in one of your previous posts. You're comparing apples to oranges,basic plays versus putting a player in a position where he could get injured. I would want Kronner to take that hit 10 out of 10 times mind you, but you can't blame a team the Wings have owned for so long for getting frustrated in another losing effort.

I understand frustration but just because he made a hit...come on guys.

Also a hit IS a basic play.

I'm trying to decipher where I stated that a fight should have happened. I believe most of us agree that it was okay for him to voice his displeasure about the hit due to the circumstances and the fact that the Wings have no one on the team that can stop Ott from doing so. Also I don't know how many other teams you watch, but what Ott did happens on a nightly basis across the league without there always being a fight. Clean or not, it's called sticking up for a teammate, and if you haven't noticed, these sort of things lead to camaraderie.

Camaraderie? This isn't even something you can measure but I will still attack the notion that there is something smart about fighting for a hit. Even Mickey Redmond last night doesn't understand it.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Apparently you weren't around the boards to read the thread about Laperriere's hit on Lidstrom. With your logic, Downey going after Laperriere

is wrong because the hit was clean. Okay, good luck getting anyone to agree with you on that one. Most in that thread came to the consensus that the hit was clean, but unnecessary, hence supporting Downey for getting involved.

I'd be curious to see that thread again, because my memory wasn't that most people here called it a clean hit. It looked like Laperriere's butt end popped Lidstrom in the jaw at the end of that hit.

I generally don't like Ott, but I can't fault him much for wanting to drop the gloves. The hit was clean, but may not have looked much like it at first. What I can fault him for is the crosscheck to Kronwall's back that looked like it was going to snap his head off.

Edited January 9, 2009 by haroldsnepsts

[ManLuv4Clears 7]

I'd be curious to see that thread again, because my memory wasn't that most people here called it a clean hit. It looked like Laperriere's butt end popped Lidstrom in the jaw at the end of that hit.

I generally don't like Ott, but I can't fault him much for wanting to drop the gloves. The hit was clean, but may not have looked much like it at first. What I can fault him for is the crosscheck to Kronwall's back that looked like it was going to snap his head off.

There were definitely folks on both sides of the hit argument. I think the consensus in the end was that Ian could have picked a better spot or person to take a run at. Downey agreed. The refs and league were under the impression it was clean since there was no penalty or suspension.

I'm in agreement with you that his cross check was a little extreme, but he also got 2 for it. That's when it would be nice to have someone in the lineup that could pound him for taking action in that form.

[esteef 2,679]

I'm starting to think Turco hates us.

esteef

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

There were definitely folks on both sides of the hit argument. I think the consensus in the end was that Ian could have picked a better spot or person to take a run at. Downey agreed. The refs and league were under the impression it was clean since there was no penalty or suspension.

I'm in agreement with you that his cross check was a little extreme, but he also got 2 for it. That's when it would be nice to have someone in the lineup that could pound him for taking action in that form.

Honestly it looked like your boy Cleary was about to step up for Kronwall, but Ott got pulled out of the way by a linesman.

[PROBIE4PREZ 58]

Did they score on the insueing PP? im to lazy to look back but im sure there were 10000 posts about TEAM TOUGHNESS N WE NEED A FIGHTER !!! blah blah ott is such a ***

[Zion 93]

No goal on that PP. Wish Cleary would have gotten to him or someone would have run him later.

I'm sick of these clean hits getting retaliated via a fight or a crosscheck. How he only got 2 minutes is beyond me.

[stormboy 47]

I'd be curious to see that thread again, because my memory wasn't that most people here called it a clean hit. It looked like Laperriere's butt end popped Lidstrom in the jaw at the end of that hit.

I generally don't like Ott, but I can't fault him much for wanting to drop the gloves. The hit was clean, but may not have looked much like it at first. What I can fault him for is the crosscheck to Kronwall's back that looked like it was going to snap his head off.

bingo.

in my opinion, retaliating for a clean hit is similar to retaliating for a goal scored against you. if the other team scores, you want to score to get them back. obviously, one is more directly related to winning the game, but to me, it's at least a similar principle. yes, kronner's hit was clean, but that doesn't mean ott has to like it--the same way a legal goal can be scored, but you're still pissed off at the other team for scoring it.

thus, an appropriate response is to lay out a big, clean hit, or fight someone. in this way, i'm fine with ott taking exception to the hit. what isn't okay is the way he responded. that was an intent to injure play. not only was kronner not looking, but if i remember right, it was after the play was whistled dead. maybe it wasn't. if it was, nik had no reason to be protecting himself or bracing for a hit/cross check in any way. either way, do you think ott knows that kronner has injury problems? i do.

stick up for your teammates, be it a legal or illegal hit that went against them. but either way, do it in an appropriate fashion. that was a ***** move by ott and, in my opinion, should have been a game misconduct.

the frustrating thing is that at that point in the game, another power play for us didn't really make a difference. the game was more or less in the bag, and thus, ott acted with impunity, for all intents and purposes. he put his team at no risk for losing the game--they'd already lost it. this is a situation where our powerplay being our enforcer doesn't play out. i've not been one to say that we NEED an enforcer on the team, and i'm still not sure we NEED one. but, i'm not satisfied that ott got away with a meaningless two minute minor.

edit: clarity.

Edited January 9, 2009 by stormboy

[Kira 451]

I had soooo much fun last night at the game. I'll post pics a little later this afternoon when I get back up north but let's just say I got a nice little surprise from the 2nd star of last night's game, Kronner gave me his stick after he did his curtain call for being 2nd star!! Not even joking. I was hanging out down by the tunnel and after he did his little spin, handed it up to me!!! I'm soooo pumped!! Awesome game by the Wings, better yet to witness it live!!

And Turco still sucks!

Bravo! Good on ya!

We kinda wanted Marty to stay and play the whole game. We were having fun. You think he's got us in his head????

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Honestly it looked like your boy Cleary was about to step up for Kronwall, but Ott got pulled out of the way by a linesman.

That's a bad angle, but it looked like Cleary threw off his gloves and as he did the linesman grabbed Ott. Too bad, even though Danny is willing, surprised with the eye problems he's had this year that he even wouldve tried to get invovled like that. That a boy!

[Doc Holiday 0]

bingo.

in my opinion, retaliating for a clean hit is similar to retaliating for a goal scored against you. if the other team scores, you want to score to get them back. obviously, one is more directly related to winning the game, but to me, it's at least a similar principle. yes, kronner's hit was clean, but that doesn't mean ott has to like it--the same way a legal goal can be scored, but you're still pissed off at the other team for scoring it.

thus, an appropriate response is to lay out a big, clean hit, or fight someone. in this way, i'm fine with ott taking exception to the hit. what isn't okay is the way he responded. that was an intent to injure play. not only was kronner not looking, but if i remember right, it was after the play was whistled dead. maybe it wasn't. if it was, nik had no reason to be protecting himself or bracing for a hit/cross check in any way. either way, do you think ott knows that kronner has injury problems? i do.

stick up for your teammates, be it a legal or illegal hit that went against them. but either way, do it in an appropriate fashion. that was a ***** move by ott and, in my opinion, should have been a game misconduct.

the frustrating thing is that at that point in the game, another power play for us didn't really make a difference. the game was more or less in the bag, and thus, ott acted with impunity, for all intents and purposes. he put his team at no risk for losing the game--they'd already lost it. this is a situation where our powerplay being our enforcer doesn't play out. i've not been one to say that we NEED an enforcer on the team, and i'm still not sure we NEED one. but, i'm not satisfied that ott got away with a meaningless two minute minor.

edit: clarity.

The game was in the bag?

They had just scored and had some momentum in the game. I seem to remember a certain game where we were up by 3 in the third this year...against a certain finals team.